Do bookmakers influence the outcome of a match?

[PX-Z]

"bookmakers influence the outcome?" How on earth it's possible. Unless it's a fixed match, the player itself (or acquaintance) bet against him and bet his opponent for huge amount than the prize pool.

If you say oddsmakers can provide hints of who will win, then it's yes based on their provided odds. But sometimes, upset happens.

[Litzki1990]

I want to make it clear to you that I have been involved in gambling for a long time and I know all the things you are talking about but the most important thing is that if there is no match fixing then it is impossible to guarantee the result in advance. Maybe many times many say that there will be match fixing and they know about the result and if they are given some amount of money then they will tell which team the result will be in favor of the team, many people step into such fraud. I would say don't fall for this kind of fraud. If they knew the result for sure then they would not have told everyone about this result but they would have bet with their entire money and won money. The outcome of gambling cannot be determined in advance but can be predicted based on prior experience and skill.

[OgNasty]

Outside of the possibility of extorting players to get the outcome they want, I doubt bookmakers have anything to do with the outcome of a match. I mean, you could make the argument about the butterfly effect and all that, but realistically when it comes to playing on the field, I seriously doubt that professional athletes are thinking about anything other than performing.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

You actually made a good point here mate. In one of my previous thread, due to the event that lead me to create the thread, I also felt that bookies sometimes influence the results of a match, maybe not for all the top leagues but some small leagues. The world is becoming too corrupt and nothing seem very impossible now. Don't be surprise that some of the football managers could actually have shares in some casinos and would try their best to help the casino in any possible way.

This is like fraud that has been systematic and has been well planned, so that it will not be detected that everything has been regulated by the bookmaker.

The minor leagues are probably quite easy to manipulate, and you may have also seen how games don't go fair because the referee manipulates the course of the game and some players who don't seem to be doing their job well.

Everything can be manipulated and this will be according to what the bookie wants, and with the shares owned by the football manager, then it is quite obvious that all of that is manipulated, but the current football managers are more cunning, and they will not tell whether they are involved or not.

Yeah, you right. Even if the bookies are responsible to orchestrate what so ever result they want to get, they will never do it in an obvious manner for people to find out because if such act is detected, they know what it will cost them. They wouldn't step on top leagues because they know that things could get messed up.

[Awaklara]

"bookmakers influence the outcome?" How on earth it's possible. Unless it's a fixed match, the player itself (or acquaintance) bet against him and bet his opponent for huge amount than the prize pool.

If you say oddsmakers can provide hints of who will win, then it's yes based on their provided odds. But sometimes, upset happens.

even the hints given by bookmakers through Odds are also uncertain.
bookmakers can influence the match if they can indeed arrange the match. I know the practice of match-fixing is running. but not all can be done easily, especially in football matches that involve many parties.
maybe different in the type of bet for a fight like boxing. the arrangement scheme may be as you illustrate.

[vs2014]

In fact, I don't want to believe that such a thing would go on in a setting like football. Moreover, clubs constantly show their dominance over weaker teams and don't want to waste chances to score in most of his games. Many ways such as that they influence the decision of certain teams to buy certain players. If they sponsor that team and it's just natural and purely business oriented. When this kind of thing takes hold, the players can't give anything good during the game because the match is already over. Because its results have been revealed earlier by deceiving everyone.

[danherbias07]

Outside of the possibility of extorting players to get the outcome they want, I doubt bookmakers have anything to do with the outcome of a match. I mean, you could make the argument about the butterfly effect and all that, but realistically when it comes to playing on the field, I seriously doubt that professional athletes are thinking about anything other than performing.

I agree with what you said and I think it will all depend on the players if they will accept something to change the results of the fight. In football, a quarterback can shave points just to avoid the point spreads to be reached and it means a certain gambling site pays them to do the nasty trick. However, since they are being paid well in today's sports industry, it has become rare for an athlete to do such things. It would be a waste of his career for one good payment that might even be less than what the sport could've paid him if he stayed in the sport for a long time with contracts getting higher.

I always think this just happens in small leagues where bookies could pay up really quickly since it's not that expensive and the rules are not strict for players who are not even professionals yet.

[sompitonov]

In fact, I don't want to believe that such a thing would go on in a setting like football. Moreover, clubs constantly show their dominance over weaker teams and don't want to waste chances to score in most of his games. Many ways such as that they influence the decision of certain teams to buy certain players. If they sponsor that team and it's just natural and purely business oriented. When this kind of thing takes hold, the players can't give anything good during the game because the match is already over. Because its results have been revealed earlier by deceiving everyone.

I have heard in the news in recent years that in weak leagues where players' salaries are not very high, there could be match-fixing because players wanted to make money. But I can't blame all the players of one team for this, because some players would never do it because of principles. While really bad players can do it because they understand that they don't have much time left to play for this team. In general, professionals can identify such players by studying the match in detail, I have no doubt about it.

[Dewi Aries]

"bookmakers influence the outcome?" How on earth it's possible. Unless it's a fixed match, the player itself (or acquaintance) bet against him and bet his opponent for huge amount than the prize pool.

If you say oddsmakers can provide hints of who will win, then it's yes based on their provided odds. But sometimes, upset happens.

even the hints given by bookmakers through Odds are also uncertain.
bookmakers can influence the match if they can indeed arrange the match. I know the practice of match-fixing is running. but not all can be done easily, especially in football matches that involve many parties.
maybe different in the type of bet for a fight like boxing. the arrangement scheme may be as you illustrate.

Yes, I agree with you, I think bookmakers can only influence the  outcome of a game when they  can actually control the game in progress, football is a type of game that would be too  complicated for them to choose, other sports like boxing that you mentioned are still possible, in the end I think when we talk about skill-based games or games that  involve many parties like sports betting then  it is very unlikely for bookmakers to influence the outcome of the game, it is too risky for them, unless we are talking about casino games.

[Wakate]

In fact, I don't want to believe that such a thing would go on in a setting like football. Moreover, clubs constantly show their dominance over weaker teams and don't want to waste chances to score in most of his games. Many ways such as that they influence the decision of certain teams to buy certain players. If they sponsor that team and it's just natural and purely business oriented. When this kind of thing takes hold, the players can't give anything good during the game because the match is already over. Because its results have been revealed earlier by deceiving everyone.

You don't have to believe that such thing happens because it is very difficult to believe that. Bookmakers has no business in knowing the actual outcome a bet especially when it is a kind of bets where the result is uncertain until the match has ended. Sport bets is a typical one and it is very difficult for a bookmaker to have the real influence determining what happens at the end of the best. Maybe a bookmaker can actually influence the result of virtual games but not in sport where the outcome is not always easy to be determined if the match has not ended. For all sport gamblers, it's not confidently possible for a bookmaker to determine the outcome a bet.

[Zigabel]

I have heard in the news in recent years that in weak leagues where players' salaries are not very high, there could be match-fixing because players wanted to make money. But I can't blame all the players of one team for this, because some players would never do it because of principles. While really bad players can do it because they understand that they don't have much time left to play for this team. In general, professionals can identify such players by studying the match in detail, I have no doubt about it.

Well I don't really know much about this but with the description so far, it makes it look very possible as something that can actually happen especially for the sake of making more money probably to increase their pay and the fact they believe they will be leaving the team soon so they almost have got nothing to lose if they act in such a manner.

[Crypto Library]

Well I don't really know much about this but with the description so far, it makes it look very possible as something that can actually happen especially for the sake of making more money probably to increase their pay and the fact they believe they will be leaving the team soon so they almost have got nothing to lose if they act in such a manner.

In fact, I want to say in this case, these things affect when a player sees the salary of other country's players so high or income so high, they also want them to have a lot of money and if the players are dishonest, then there is nothing more to say here.
If you notice this tendency is more among the players of third world countries because the players of these countries are not paid much and due to their greed they are involved in heinous activities like match fixing. You can check the list of banned cricketer for corruptions. And you will find that most of the players are from the third world countries like India, Pakistan, South Africa , Bangladesh etc.

[alegotardo]

And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?

Even though bookmakers today have a lot of money and influence in the world of sports, I don't believe they are capable of predicting or even influencing the final result  of games in the major football leagues.

The major football leagues in Europe, for example, move much more money than any casino, so it is unthinkable to believe that they could have any influence over these games.

However, I believe that in smaller leagues or lesser-known games, it is possible to predict and even manipulate some games. In fact, not only casinos, but anyone who has more money to offer than an athlete from a lesser team will be able to influence the final result of the match.

[mindrust]

"bookmakers influence the outcome?" How on earth it's possible. Unless it's a fixed match, the player itself (or acquaintance) bet against him and bet his opponent for huge amount than the prize pool.

If you say oddsmakers can provide hints of who will win, then it's yes based on their provided odds. But sometimes, upset happens.

In other words, everybody supports the team which benefits him/her the most. Bookmakers will support the team which the gamblers favor less because the more the players lose, the more the bookie makes money. Let's say If 80% of the total bettors support Barcelona against Bayern, then the bookmaker will want Bayern's victory because it is going to benefit the bookmaker more.

Shit happens sometimes because there is always some luck element in every sports game but in the long run casinos always make money.

[hahay]

I have heard in the news in recent years that in weak leagues where players' salaries are not very high, there could be match-fixing because players wanted to make money. But I can't blame all the players of one team for this, because some players would never do it because of principles. While really bad players can do it because they understand that they don't have much time left to play for this team. In general, professionals can identify such players by studying the match in detail, I have no doubt about it.

Well I don't really know much about this but with the description so far, it makes it look very possible as something that can actually happen especially for the sake of making more money probably to increase their pay and the fact they believe they will be leaving the team soon so they almost have got nothing to lose if they act in such a manner.

Such cases do often occur in leagues like @sompitonov said, I personally don't find it strange because it is also a form of mafia activity that is always fought by related parties as well to make a healthier match without cheating and without match-fixing and other bad things. Because after all, in the past one of the top Serie A teams was also exposed to such cases, until the relevant team was punished which made it go down to the division below and their trophy title was also revoked. So, whether it's a small league or a big league, I think cases like this can happen but maybe not many cases are revealed too. But the point is,  the result of the match can indeed be arranged although indeed, there will always be efforts to eradicate it.

[AmoreJaz]

"bookmakers influence the outcome?" How on earth it's possible. Unless it's a fixed match, the player itself (or acquaintance) bet against him and bet his opponent for huge amount than the prize pool.

If you say oddsmakers can provide hints of who will win, then it's yes based on their provided odds. But sometimes, upset happens.

In other words, everybody supports the team which benefits him/her the most. Bookmakers will support the team which the gamblers favor less because the more the players lose, the more the bookie makes money. Let's say If 80% of the total bettors support Barcelona against Bayern, then the bookmaker will want Bayern's victory because it is going to benefit the bookmaker more.

Shit happens sometimes because there is always some luck element in every sports game but in the long run casinos always make money.

Upset will always be a part of any sports. Bookies have their algo how to calculate the odds provided by the site. Of course, they have their database, history and other data analysis how to come up with certain odds. If you will notice, the odds of different bookies are almost similar to each other. There are some deviations but more or less, they are offering similar odds.

But to think that they can influence the results. Now, that's another story. Because the money involve will be very huge to influence the end game of a certain sports. Just consider the bribes that you need to give to the athletes and other people involve. Also, the reputation of the team or the athlete is on the line. So that kind of scenario is like suicide for these people, hence, they need a large sum of money to be convinced in doing such activity.

[Fivestar4everMVP]

I recently watched an interesting video where the author claimed that in many cases it is not that difficult to predict the outcome of a sports match, because bookmakers are interested in a certain outcome of the match and implicitly influence the outcome of this match. I will not publish a link to this and other similar videos here, so as not to engage in free advertising.
What is important is something else. In the video, the author claimed that modern bookmakers are so powerful that they are actually the source of players' salaries. Most of the games that are included in the bookmaker's line are not completely honest, although this is not customary to talk about. According to the author, the team as a whole is hinted at how they should play so that the team's funding continues. This mainly concerned football.
By the way, as the author claims, if we take teams from lower divisions that are subsidized by local budgets, then there too it is often easy to predict the outcome of a match. There are local teams that at certain times stop being financed by local municipalities (in poor countries) and the teams simply "dump" the match. After all, what is the point of playing for a victory for a professional team if it understands that the money for financing it was either not allocated or was sharply reduced?
And what do you think - does the bookmaker influence the outcome of sports matches?
Is this situation different for different sports? Is football unique in this sense?

From the way you have explained this, and with the examples you gave, it's actually difficult to want to say that it's impossible for bookmakers to influence the outcome of football matches, or let's just say some of the matches. For without your clear explanation above, I possibly would have wanted to argue that it's impossible that or for bookmakers to manipulate and change the outcome of a football match.

Let me mention that this is my very first time coming across this idea of bookmakers using their influence on sports matches, and it's actually surprising to be honest, this simply means that even sports betting can no longer be trusted to, but I will have to guess that it's not every bookmaker, or casinos that will get themself invloved in such malpractice.
This is bad for the gambling industry, specially in the log team

[DaNNy001]

I don't think bookmakers would be able to influence the outcome of matches on major leagues like EPL and so on, I think this can only be done on leagues that are not really pronounced and this is actually a corrupt system that should be looked into. Most of these bookmakers influence some local leagues so the outcome can be manipulated to favour them, as a gambler you should know the specific leagues to bet on so you wouldn't end up betting on a match that's fixed. This system has made soccer uninteresting, does this exist in other sports apart from football?

[Sandra_hakeem]

Whatever creepy ideology/ assumptions that anyone can develop in them, in a bid to spill the beans can always stay in their heads to avoid further confusion.

Bookmakers are solely responsible for one thing - I mean, a host of other things - but all in one category. They only fix the odds for these matches and, I can say that these leagues would be a total mess if it was predicted by some sort of bodies/agencies etc.
Are y'all trying to say that we don't have genuine sport performances anymore for just a simple hypothesis? If this is happening in lower leagues ( which I'm yet to see proves) then that's it.

[nelson4lov]

Whatever creepy ideology/ assumptions that anyone can develop in them, in a bid to spill the beans can always stay in their heads to avoid further confusion.

Bookmakers are solely responsible for one thing - I mean, a host of other things - but all in one category. They only fix the odds for these matches and, I can say that these leagues would be a total mess if it was predicted by some sort of bodies/agencies etc.
Are y'all trying to say that we don't have genuine sport performances anymore for just a simple hypothesis? If this is happening in lower leagues ( which I'm yet to see proves) then that's it.

I was already wondering how it would be that bookmarkers can not only set the odds but influence every single market available on a spot event. It's actually insane to think that bookmarkers will influence moneyline, under/over, corners, bookings, shots on target, etc to just to scroll up with gamblers. If that is the case then it's not possible as not all gamblers play the same markets and bookmarkers can cover all cases.  Although, I do believe that there might be instances where bookmarkers can influence sports events if it were all possible but that would be in very smaller leagues compete to the biggest ones like the EPL, La liga, etc.