Is it swell to stamp bitcoin seed Phrase on Titanium Plates?

[Lucius]

Is it swell to stamp bitcoin seed Phrase on Titanium Plates?

I don't see why it wouldn't be good to make a backup in this way, although you should be careful and choose only those metal tiles that have been tested to be resistant to all possible threats such as high temperatures, water, chemicals and pressure resistance. As we could see in the tests made by Jameson Lopp (@tranthidung posted link), some of these solutions turned out to be completely useless to the extent that the information on them was destroyed beyond recognition due to some external influence.

Of course, even if we have the best material for such a backup, the question still remains of how best to store such a backup to ensure that someone other than us accidentally or intentionally finds it, but also that the owner can remember it after x years - because it would really be a tragedy to store something like that and then one day we can't find it.

[Accardo]

Is it swell to stamp bitcoin seed Phrase on Titanium Plates?

Of course, even if we have the best material for such a backup, the question still remains of how best to store such a backup to ensure that someone other than us accidentally or intentionally finds it, but also that the owner can remember it after x years - because it would really be a tragedy to store something like that and then one day we can't find it.

Hiding it shouldn't be a complex thing to do, there are simple places in every room to hide such materials. Example; behind the TV or AC. Regrettably, people take it as far as placing their seed phrase in a location that their brain may not remember in future. The risk is always there, but it's better to be kept in a simple manner, than hiding it from other people's eyes and eventually forget where we kept it. If it's hidden in your bedroom, for instance, when people wants to see you, they'll have to wait in the sitting room. It'll help to keep the back up phrase out of sight.

[Marvelockg]

I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...

if it's just about mediums of securing your seed phrase, thier are a lot of creative ways to go about it that's safe and more convenience. Even when you keep your seed phrase in a titanium plate, should it get missing or gets into a wrong hand, you've exposed your funds through that means. Just copying the seed phrase and duplicating  it into different forms and keeping it secured in different locations can still secure your seed phrase.

There are several ways to keep your seed phrase secured and I feel that you don't need to follow a set out role when it comes to this. Iether you're securing it on paper or through whatever medium you're using, it should be what you're certain you won't lose it, misplace it or allow it to get into a wrong hand.

[sunsilk]

If by accident someone has picked these titanium plates elsewhere after a flood or any disaster and is aware of crypto recovery seeds/phrases.

Then, that's already the risk that someone will have to accept. It's good but you need to keep it intact to the areas where you'd keep them.

It's a good way to embed your seed phrases but mind you that there's also a risk on it once you've misplaced it.

[Iranus]

Each storage method has its own advantages and disadvantages, no method is the safest. First, you need to consider your circumstances such as the geographical location where you live, the security situation...to choose the most suitable method.

There has been a lot of discussion on this issue and everyone has their own methods and choices. For example, I store them on paper and for many years I have been happy with this method. I don't think I need to change this method even though many people say it's not safe because it's easy to burn, water damage...but it's been almost 8 years and I'm fine.

But as Charles-Tim said: always have 2 or 3 different backups stored in different locations. This will help you be more proactive in storing your phrases.

[Hispo]

If by accident someone has picked these titanium plates elsewhere after a flood or any disaster and is aware of crypto recovery seeds/phrases.

While it is a possibility, it is also very remote after a natural disaster someone will pickup those seed phrase randomly and claim the money which is stored in a hardware wallet, for example.
In the case of flooding, it would also good to remember that seeds engraved on metallic plates would sink directly to the bottom of the river and miss forever, rather than being easily retrieved by some random person (not even mentioning the amount of rubble and junk there would be after a flood).

In the case the metallic plate gets lost and we get through the natural disaster it is also a good option to memorize the seed phrase as an emergency way of recovery. Depending whom you ask, it would make the whole situation better or worse.

[sunsilk]

If by accident someone has picked these titanium plates elsewhere after a flood or any disaster and is aware of crypto recovery seeds/phrases.

While it is a possibility, it is also very remote after a natural disaster someone will pickup those seed phrase randomly and claim the money which is stored in a hardware wallet, for example.
In the case of flooding, it would also good to remember that seeds engraved on metallic plates would sink directly to the bottom of the river and miss forever, rather than being easily retrieved by some random person (not even mentioning the amount of rubble and junk there would be after a flood).

This is true but you'll never know what some other guys might do after the flooding. I've seen people that do some magnetic activities under the rivers or streams and some do dive under the seas and get anything that they can get there.

So, that's one risk but I'm sure that most of us are wise enough to consider things like this of what we're trying to do.

In the case the metallic plate gets lost and we get through the natural disaster it is also a good option to memorize the seed phrase as an emergency way of recovery. Depending whom you ask, it would make the whole situation better or worse.

I think memorizing is the last resort but this is good if you've got some good memory there. Just do any backup that you can do and keep it stored in a very safe place.

[Lucius]

Hiding it shouldn't be a complex thing to do, there are simple places in every room to hide such materials.
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The emphasis is not only on the fact that such a thing should be hidden, but also on the fact that it should be hidden in a place where no one else will find it. If you hide your backup in such a way that it is easy for you to find it, be sure that it will be just as easy for someone else who might be looking for it to find it. First of all, I think of thieves who can break into everyone's home, but also family members or friends who sometimes surprise us with their moves.

Behind the TV or AC is a bad idea for me personally, but if it seems good enough to you, it's still your decision

[2Pizza410000BTC]

I came in contact with some X users who already do this, and it looked amazing to me, they even tested the Titanium plates on water and tried burning it on fire, but the plate was still elegant with the seed phrase intact. Bearing in mind of the vulnerability that comes with saving our seed phrase on mere papers, this technique can secure our seed even when they is a fire outbreak, flood, or any natural disaster that paper can't withstand.

I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...

   

Check out the page they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.

Preserving the seed phrase on a titanium plate would keep it safe from immersion in fire, but keeping it safe from human access would be a bit more difficult because it's a metallic substance that has to be hidden otherwise people could access it anyway. But wallet password written on paper is not safe as it will be destroyed by water and burned in fire but it is very safe from human access. I don't write my wallet passphrase on anything made of platinum or titanium metal I write my wallet passphrase in a notebook but in a very secret place where no one but me can access it.

[m2017]

While it is a possibility, it is also very remote after a natural disaster someone will pickup those seed phrase randomly and claim the money which is stored in a hardware wallet, for example.

Even though the probability is low, this can't be discounted. Sometimes life events are very surprising and an seed phrase lost during a natural disaster may accidentally end up not under a pile of garbage, rubble, dirt or ash, but close to the surface and catch someone's eye.

In the case of flooding, it would also good to remember that seeds engraved on metallic plates would sink directly to the bottom of the river and miss forever, rather than being easily retrieved by some random person (not even mentioning the amount of rubble and junk there would be after a flood).

Nothing disappears forever. This seed phrase, even under a layer of water and a pile of garbage, can eventually be found by other people, just like dinosaur remains or other archaeological finds are now found. But by that time, you will not care much. Moreover, having lost the seed phrase during a natural disaster, at that moment you will no longer be interested in whether someone will find this seed phrase, because you have lost it. Forever.

Therefore, backups will never be superfluous.

In the case the metallic plate gets lost and we get through the natural disaster it is also a good option to memorize the seed phrase as an emergency way of recovery. Depending whom you ask, it would make the whole situation better or worse.

Or better yet, get a tattoo with the seed phrase.

You shouldn't try to remember it, after all, it's better to use other methods of recording the seed phrase on hard media, and not on something as fragile as human memory.

[sokani]

I came in contact with some X users who already do this, and it looked amazing to me, they even tested the Titanium plates on water and tried burning it on fire, but the plate was still elegant with the seed phrase intact. Bearing in mind of the vulnerability that comes with saving our seed phrase on mere papers, this technique can secure our seed even when they is a fire outbreak, flood, or any natural disaster that paper can't withstand.

I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...

Engraving the seed phrase on a metallic plate like titanium or steel is far more better and safer than having it on a piece of paper which can be easily washed off by flood or burnt by fire. I may be wrong but the reason I think most people don't go for this method is because of the cost of acquiring one. But for someone who has a good amount of assets or who live in an environment that's prevalent to natural disaster, should be able to part ways with few dollars and get a metallic plate that can keep his or her crypto assets very safe.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

I came in contact with some X users who already do this, and it looked amazing to me, they even tested the Titanium plates on water and tried burning it on fire, but the plate was still elegant with the seed phrase intact. Bearing in mind of the vulnerability that comes with saving our seed phrase on mere papers, this technique can secure our seed even when they is a fire outbreak, flood, or any natural disaster that paper can't withstand.

I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...

   

Check out the page they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.

The use of this natural metal is not a bad idea as long as part of its inclusive property by nature is to withstand corrosion, heat and any other minor challenges that could hasten up its damage, the use of washers or stainless-steel as discussed from this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5389446.0 is never a bad idea as well, because they can withstand any physical damage, however, the use of this materials should never be forgotten that we have to secure them in a more safety place, where we are going to have access to it alone.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

That's a brilliant idea, and in addition to that, I would have love to say that excluding titles while inscribing the 12 words seed phrases on the titanium plates or stainless steel will provide a higher security of our funds if eventually it happens to get into the wrong hand, such as "Bitcoin Wallet Seed Phrase" or "Trust/Electrum or BlueWallet Seed Phrase". Because inasmuch as this has proven to be a lasting alternative to paper seed phrase storage, it's always good to arrange it In a manner only you can understand, that is, either in ascending or descending order.

[acroman08]

they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.

unless you are the one who is going to stamp the seed phrase on the titanium plate, isn't it a security risk that someone(the person who'll stamp the seed phrase on the titanium plate) will know your seed phrase? I mean it looks cool and sturdy but I can't stop thinking about that.

[pooya87]

It is an overkill in my opinion. The chances of your metal plate being exposed to such extreme environments is almost zero so why go with Titanium when there is simple Stainless Steel? It wouldn't cost as much either, you may even be able to acquire a small Steel plate for free from a workshop or something (the small parts they throw away when they cut the plates into small pieces) which is more than enough for this purpose.
Something like AISI 304 can be found very easily.

[aoluain]

I have done this many times for various Trezor's and Ledgers on 5mm thick Stainless Steel.

Using either Titanium or Stainless Steel trumps any other method of seed phrase storage
like paper or digitally. Personally I think Titanium is just an added expense, Stainless Steel
is sufficient enough.

What you will need though is:
Titanium or Stainless Steel plate
A means of cutting to a manageable size like an angke grinder
A scribe to mark out a grid for your words
A metal stamp kit with heavy hammer
A Cobalt drill bit and drill for mounting holes
Patience

Although its a bit involved to create a plate like this I wouldnt risk storing my
seeds solely on paper or on USB.

[justdimin]

Hiding it shouldn't be a complex thing to do, there are simple places in every room to hide such materials. Example; behind the TV or AC. Regrettably, people take it as far as placing their seed phrase in a location that their brain may not remember in future. The risk is always there, but it's better to be kept in a simple manner, than hiding it from other people's eyes and eventually forget where we kept it. If it's hidden in your bedroom, for instance, when people wants to see you, they'll have to wait in the sitting room. It'll help to keep the back up phrase out of sight.

One more thing to remember would be putting it in a few different places, would work very well. I have a piece of paper in the bank vault that my wife has, and one in the book that I like the most in my home library, and one in my family's home as well. So in total, I have that same paper in three different locations. Why put it in three different locations?

Well, simply because if anything happens in the house like it gets burned down or anything like that, then it's all gone, that would not make sense at all and I would lose a lot, why would I risk it by having it only in one place? I would instead put it in many different places and I would be doing that much better. We should consider that as something that would make sense a lot more to put it in different places.

[kro55]

I came in contact with some X users who already do this, and it looked amazing to me, they even tested the Titanium plates on water and tried burning it on fire, but the plate was still elegant with the seed phrase intact. Bearing in mind of the vulnerability that comes with saving our seed phrase on mere papers, this technique can secure our seed even when they is a fire outbreak, flood, or any natural disaster that paper can't withstand.

I still have in mind of some friends who said they'll have to split the location of their paper wallet because of any disaster that may occur. Having your seed phrase punched on titanium plates makes it water, and fire proof...

Engraving the seed phrase on a metallic plate like titanium or steel is far more better and safer than having it on a piece of paper which can be easily washed off by flood or burnt by fire. I may be wrong but the reason I think most people don't go for this method is because of the cost of acquiring one. But for someone who has a good amount of assets or who live in an environment that's prevalent to natural disaster, should be able to part ways with few dollars and get a metallic plate that can keep his or her crypto assets very safe.

I have never used titanium to stamp seed phrases but I don't think it is so expensive that people should hesitate to spend the money. I agree with pooya87, I also find it overkill so not many people use it. I think this choice has more to do with people's preferences and aesthetics than they focus on safety and price. Because steel is also good enough to give us the best level of safety, not inferior to materials like titanium.

Also, as some people have mentioned. In addition to choosing a good material to stamp your seed phrase, it is equally important to have multiple backups and keep them in different locations in case of unexpected incidents.

[Accardo]

they've got the details and tools for hammering the words on the plate.

unless you are the one who is going to stamp the seed phrase on the titanium plate, isn't it a security risk that someone(the person who'll stamp the seed phrase on the titanium plate) will know your seed phrase? I mean it looks cool and sturdy but I can't stop thinking about that.

Of course nobody is letting anybody do that, with the aid of appropriate tools—the stamping is childsplay. I saw photos of kids trying it out, the predicted time for stamping all the phrases is just about 15-30 minutes. Isn't it healthy to sweat over securing your hard earned bitcoin?

[ImThour]

I mean what matters the most is the privacy of your seed phrase. If you get it stamped in a titanium plate and still it's accessible by anyone in your family or work place, it's waste of money.
What I suggest is to have multiple backups, this way you will have nothing to worry about but it also brings the first point (privacy) a void. Just make sure to keep it safe and Titanium plates or stainless steel ones are always better than paper.