What do we do in obvious scam?

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3633104
Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5506738.0

Self moderated topic, obvious scam. Even the service is black hat. I don't tag this type of scammers because I can not prove the scam but it's going to be a 100% scam. What can we do other than tagging the account?

[Upgrade00]

You can try reporting to mods, it's possible that an action will be taken even though scams are not moderated. The rules are not exactly set in stone.

Tagging is also a good option. With the introduction of trust flags, red tags do not have to be cases that can be 100% proven, if a user has shown to be untrustworthy or is one that other users should be wary of, you should tag them.
If your still unsure, a neutral feedback can be left, but I think a negative one is more appropriate here.

[BitcoinGirl.Club]

Just noticed the user have two topics and both topics are selling shady service lol
Verified Neobanks✷Crypto Wallets✷Payment Systems✅REVOLUT✅BUNQ✅VIVID✅STRIPE✅WISE
VERIFICATIONS✅KYC


The second one is a crime in almost all jurisdiction.

[JeromeTash]

A red tag and trust flag is still very Ok in such a situation. You don't have to first get scammed or wait for someone to be scammed to prove that the person is a scammer. The red flags are enough to show that the person has a tendency to scam and worse still, the service post is self moderated. Obviously, they are trying to be ready to hide some truth in case it pops out.

Alternatively, you can try reporting him to the moderators for providing services that are already banned in the forum, such as sale of accounts that require KYC verification. This only means that the accounts are either hacked/stolen or the IDs used for verification are stolen.
The rule does not appear in the list of forum rules, but it is pinned in the Goods board

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5173486.0

[acroman08]

I'm certain the OP of the threads you shared broke a forum rule and judging by the post from Theymos I quoted below(the rule is from "invites & accounts" sub board). so he would either get banned or get his posts deleted if you reported it to the mods.

You are only allowed to sell accounts/invites that you legally obtained yourself or through legitimate trades. If you did anything illegal in order to obtain an item, then you can't trade it on bitcointalk.org. Anyone found breaking this rule will be banned.

[_BlackStar]

I quote one of his replies on his service thread - seriously, this is can not be trusted.

All documents used to create accounts belong to persons who work on my team. They receive payment for their actions.

They say all the documents are valid - but how can one verify that they are not stolen or forged somewhere. The red tag about this kind of service need to be worth it - this can be a basic reminder to anyone interested in getting their services.

[DaveF]

Report to mods and move on.
There is no point in tagging. People who would be interested in a service like this are probably not going to care about the legitimacy of it or the person / people running it.

If in the opinion of the mods it violates the rule _BlackStar quoted above then it will get removed and the user probably banned.
If it does not then, you did what you felt was right.

-Dave

[worldofcoins]

11. No linking to illegal trading sites.

17. Trading of goods that are illegal in the seller's or buyer's country is forbidden. [2]

19. Possible (or real) scams and Trust ratings are not moderated (to prevent moderation abuse).

[11] - Option unchecked.

[17] - Who knows if the goods OP's selling are illegal in his jurisdiction and who will put their time watching on every buyer that visits OP's store. (Not that the spectater will have access to that info  )

[19] Well, that's in OP's favor.

20. There are restrictions when selling accounts and invites for invite-only sites. Quoted Below

Selling invites is allowed, but there are some restrictions in order to prevent people from selling accounts and invites obtained through hacking. In order to sell invites or accounts to invite-only sites, you must:
- Have some history here, with more history being required for trades of invites/accounts in bulk. Or,
- Have substantial history on reputable invite trading forums such as torrentinvites.org which prohibit selling hacked accounts. Or,
- Be vouched for by someone from one of the above two categories.

Most likely the OP's selling accounts from stolen/bought IDs, Documents from Darknet site but it's not written on any of his product in his store so don't know if we can prove it.

The OP isn't selling the products directly on the forum but linking them to a 3rd-party store.. Maybe a need for new rule.

Posted on the [Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ] While multi quoting by mistake 

[BitMaxz]

I don't think mods will delete it unless you prove that they are scammer.

Why not just tag it with caution instead of giving him a red tag just give him a neutral with caution so that other forum people who looking for trust feedback will notice your feedback under neutral and tell them to report to you with evidence that you can use to tag the scammer.

[CryptSafe]

Just noticed the user have two topics and both topics are selling shady service lol
Verified Neobanks✷Crypto Wallets✷Payment Systems✅REVOLUT✅BUNQ✅VIVID✅STRIPE✅WISE
VERIFICATIONS✅KYC


The second one is a crime in almost all jurisdiction.

I think the best thing to do is to report to Moderators and wait for their actions because that user tends to display some potential features of being a scammer. From the content alone one would wonder who dear risk their identity for who they know not.

I checked, and the user is not that active here although made post today from over two weeks being inactive.  This is a red flag which we need to be wary of. Although there are no facts backing up but it seems like a danger sign  from the content of the post itself.

[examplens]

User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3633104
Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5506738.0

Self moderated topic, obvious scam. Even the service is black hat. I don't tag this type of scammers because I can not prove the scam but it's going to be a 100% scam. What can we do other than tagging the account?

Maybe you need to look at the whole thing differently. Maybe it's not a scam, he may offer verification, but it wouldn't be unusual for someone to agree to give their personal information in exchange for some money.
However, it is at least illegal and this type of passing KYC is not allowed for any service. So if we banned mixers from the forum, which are legal, why would other illegal services be allowed to advertise here?

[PX-Z]

Let's not waste time just report it, it's selling accounts that needs KYC verification like Paypal, Wise, Skrill, Binance, etc, its prohibited here and a bannable act. Let's see how mods will handle it, idc about my report rating if its going to be a bad report.

Edit: the thread is now deleted and will remain in archive for both threads
https://ninjastic.space/topic/5506738
https://ninjastic.space/topic/5506610

[worldofcoins]

Let's not waste time just report it, it's selling accounts that needs KYC verification like Paypal, Wise, Skrill, Binance, etc. Let's see how mods will handle it, idc about my report rating if its going to be a bad report.

I am curious about what will happen when multiple users report a post, and the post/thread can't be proven to go against the rules.

[PX-Z]

I am curious about what will happen when multiple users report a post, and the post/thread can't be proven to go against the rules.

Depends on the description of the report, the reported thread will remain and each one of us who reported it will have a bad accuracy for reporting it. Or mods will just make it unhandled.

[Text]

Report the post to alert moderators of the suspicious activity, as they may have more resources to investigate. You can raise awareness, as you've done here, to help warn people about the potential scam. Document the activity to keep track of any further suspicious behavior from the account. If more evidence accumulates, it may strengthen the case for future action. Additionally, you can flag the post since the service may involve something illegal in most jurisdictions. Simply raising red flags could be enough to prevent others from falling for these shady schemes.

[worldofcoins]

I am curious about what will happen when multiple users report a post, and the post/thread can't be proven to go against the rules.

Depends on the description of the report, the reported thread will remain and each one of us who reported it will have a bad accuracy for reporting it. Or mods will just make it unhandled.

The moderation is surely a hard task tbh, I don't know if the mod will visit his store and check each and every item "where something can be used against them if it goes against the rules"

Imagine handling multiple cases like these in past when there was a huge crowd of accounts (prior the merit system introduction) when there were alts spamming the forum for their bounty pay check, I will not be surprised if most of those posts are still around (because there wasn't much HR to manage that level of spam, maybe there were more mods idk)
I tried to look at the posts made/day of data 2016 data from ninjastic.space but couldn't find it to compare it with recent posts/day data. The spam even reduced when most of the users teleported to another forum, Maybe for good.


If someone wants to check and prove the person is a scammer then buy something from their store and tell us here if it worked or not (Do it only if you think your word will be considered)

[PX-Z]

The moderation is surely a hard task tbh, I don't know if the mod will visit his store and check each and every item "where something can be used against them if it goes against the rules"

They will probably do it for store link website that is not suspicious to verify the reports, but if it's mentioned already on their thread like this reported topic thread, i guess its not necessary to visit URLs.

Imagine handling multiple cases like these in past when there was a huge crowd of accounts (prior the merit system introduction) when there were alts spamming the forum for their bounty pay check, I will not be surprised if most of those posts are still around (because there wasn't much HR to manage that level of spam, maybe there were more mods idk)
I tried to look at the posts made/day of data 2016 data from ninjastic.space but couldn't find it to compare it with recent posts/day data. The spam even reduced when most of the users teleported to another forum, Maybe for good

It will be probably a headache handling so much reports, but on the other end, it will give them the job as moderators, since it depends on their salary payments (if im correct).

If someone wants to check and prove the person is a scammer then buy something from their store and tell us here if it worked or not (Do it only if you think your word will be considered)

That's a huge risk to take, i think people will only do it if it worth pennies not for this one that cost $50- hundreds.

[worldofcoins]

It will be probably a headache handling so much reports, but on the other end, it will give them the job as moderators, since it depends on their salary payments (if im correct)..

If i remember correctly then i read somewhere in past that Mods get payment based on how many reports they’ve dealt with (unsure if both good and bad are paid, they however check both so I think both should be paid)

If the spam on forum reduces then the admin can consider paying fixed a amount to mods plus some form of bonus and increment after a certain time, not like there’s shortage in forum’s reserve to manage it, removal of banner ads proves it and theymos confirmed he doesn’t require funds from forum’s ads for it to function… at least at this point in time.

[Monogen]

LOL. I actually provided these services. There was no money scam. There are already several people from the forum who have used my services and were satisfied. I can easily prove this. And these are really documents of my guys. They make a profit for it.

[Monogen]

User: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3633104
Topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5506738.0

Self moderated topic, obvious scam. Even the service is black hat. I don't tag this type of scammers because I can not prove the scam but it's going to be a 100% scam. What can we do other than tagging the account?

You are a typical talker! I have not scam a single person, I can prove it. On the contrary, I can ask users to write their positive reviews. Why are you talking about something you don't know?