WINZ.IO SCAM - 2280 USDT Stolen

[laffarista]

Good morning everyone, I'm writing to report the winz.io online casino scam, I signed up to play and everything was fine, I was depositing and withdrawing without problems and honestly I was also winning quite a bit.
On September 7th my withdrawal was rejected and I was asked to do the KYC which I did without any problems and requested immediately after the withdrawal.

After two days I received this email :

Please be informed that, after a thorough investigation, we have identified a breach of our P.10 Anti-Fraud Policy in accordance with the terms and conditions outlined in our website https://winz.io/terms-and-conditions. This violation involves engaging in participating in opposite betting collusion.

As a result of these infractions, we have taken the necessary measures to uphold the integrity of our platform and protect the interests of our community. The balance associated with your account has been confiscated, and your account has been permanently closed based on the decision of our casino administration.

We would like to remind you that such activities are strictly prohibited as per our terms and conditions, and we hold a zero-tolerance policy towards fraudulent behavior. Our commitment to maintaining a fair and secure gaming environment for all our players necessitates these actions.

Regards,
Winz.io Team


Basically they close my account and steal all my funds (2280 USDT) for an alleged and unproven "opposite betting collusion" which honestly I can't even understand what exactly it means.

I asked them for proof of this "opposite betting collusion" which I'm sure they don't have because other than playing normally in the casino I didn't do anything else.

This is a real scam and an excuse not to pay my winnings.

I hope that anyone who reads this post stays away from this site and that no one deposits even 1 USDT there.


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[Mahdirakib]

I asked them for proof of this "opposite betting collusion" which I'm sure they don't have because other than playing normally in the casino I didn't do anything else.

Opposite betting usually related to sportsbook. It is possible in some casino games, but the house edge always helps the casino to get profit in such cases. So, it is clear that your issue is related to sportsbook and opposite betting shouldn't be unknown to you. Based on your post history, you aren't new to the sports betting. Were you placing bets on both outcomes to make sure profit?

[GxSTxV]

Based on your previous posts in this forum, I have seen that you have got scammed by 1xbit before, and this means only that you are an old gambler and bettor. In this case, where your account got suspended and WINZ.IO explained the reason behind this, and the accusations were about sport betting manipulation, which is something against heir terms and rules of course. Personally, if I put myself in your position I would also ask the casino to explain with proofs about the matches or the real cause that made them think or made them sure about cheating.

I had an account with WINZ.IO and my experience with them mostly on slots and live casino was very good, and honestly the transactions were smooth. However, it doesn’t mean that you are guilty or not, we still have to see more evidence, if you could prove your bets, and if the casino also proves exactly where did you cheat.

[holydarkness]

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OP can you give us your betting history? Or if that's no longer accessible to you, can you give us the roughstimate of the games you played?

I might be wrong, but collusion [engaging in participating in opposite betting] does not limited to sportsbetting and you placed for both team. It can also be done on a poker table where every participants is your friend and you both talk with each other, or basically any other games where you establish contact with your friends to dictate certain outcome.

[laffarista]

Unfortunately I no longer have access to the account as it has been blocked.

I've never played on sportbook and never played on Poker, only casino and I don't have any other accounts on winz.io .
I want a precise detail of what is being complained to me because I am sure they cannot have any proof because I simply played on their casino.
I also clearly asked for proof via email but they didn't reply.

[holydarkness]

Unfortunately I no longer have access to the account as it has been blocked.

I've never played on sportbook and never played on Poker, only casino and I don't have any other accounts on winz.io .
I want a precise detail of what is being complained to me because I am sure they cannot have any proof because I simply played on their casino.
I also clearly asked for proof via email but they didn't reply.

What casino games were you playing, if you don't mind telling us and could give us as many as you can remember. I'll try to reach them and get them to give some explanation here, but I doubt they'll provide that betting history for us, even with your full permission. But it won't hurt to try. So... suppose they are willing to provide your betting history, do you give your permission for them to publish it for public?

Otherwise, I think you can ask their complaint team to email you the betting history.

[Mahdirakib]

I've never played on sportbook and never played on Poker, only casino and I don't have any other accounts on winz.io .
I want a precise detail of what is being complained to me because I am sure they cannot have any proof because I simply played on their casino.

Interesting! I think they have made a false statement to close your account. Winz.io team had told me different reasons on different times when they had withheld my withdrawal for KYC verification. I won't be surprised if they tell you a different reason in the future for blocking your account. BTW, were you playing table games or slot game? Opposite betting is possible in table games, but there is no way to make profit through such betting pattern in table games (E.g. Roulette, Baccarat, etc).

[laffarista]

They have my full permission to publish all betting history.

I play baccarat at the live casino and as you can see from the history of withdrawals and deposits I have practically always won in the last few days.

So, if I understand correctly they are accusing me of playing the opposite sign at baccarat in order to mathematically lose and for this reason they steal 2280 USDT from me? I honestly think it's a joke.

[acroman08]

It can also be done on a poker table where every participants is your friend and you both talk with each other, or basically any other games where you establish contact with your friends to dictate certain outcome.

apart from sports betting, I was thinking about this too but then OP mentioned that he has never played on sportsbook or poker and was playing baccarat, so there goes that assumption.

anyway, I am curious about what winz.io's representative has to say, I checked their account and they were online several days ago so they might see your PM when they log in again.

[yahoo62278]

I have sent the owner a message as I have his contact info. I cannot say if he will or won't respond, but he will at least now be aware and might pop in here.

[winz.io]

Thank you for reaching out and sharing your concerns. We understand how frustrating it can be when an account is closed, and we take such matters very seriously.

After a thorough review of your case, which included an investigation conducted by our team and verified by the game provider, Evolution Gaming, it was determined that your account was involved in activity that violated our Terms and Conditions, specifically related to opposite betting practices.

While we cannot disclose specific details of the investigation in a public forum due to privacy and security reasons, we want to assure you that our decision was based on conclusive evidence. However, if you believe that this decision is incorrect or if you would like to review the evidence in detail, we encourage you to open a case with a recognized mediation service such as AskGamblers. This will allow us to share all relevant information with the mediator in a secure and transparent manner.

Our goal is to ensure a fair and safe gaming environment for all players, and we remain committed to upholding these standards. We appreciate your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

[Woodie]

apart from sports betting, I was thinking about this too but then OP mentioned that he has never played on sportsbook or poker and was playing baccarat, so there goes that assumption.

And there I was so certain that this opposite betting which am hearing  for the first time was only possible on a sportsbook or games involving duels against another player...but in a case of a casino game played against other players this doesn't seem like a win-win situation for the player either if this is a case of collusion and your buddies are losing money whilst you win at their expense

I wonder why system didn't flag user earlier because he/she kept winning and taking out their profits...

[Mahdirakib]

After a thorough review of your case, which included an investigation conducted by our team and verified by the game provider, Evolution Gaming, it was determined that your account was involved in activity that violated our Terms and Conditions, specifically related to opposite betting practices.

Is it really possible to make sure profit on Baccarat game by opposite betting? How can someone do it? I haven't seen anyone to be accused of something like this on Baccarat game. There is a HE on Baccarat game. Usually, the banker bet takes 5% from the winning bet always. Your investigation is a bit mysterious. Were OP following the betting pattern to place his bets on a side?

[Thuytrang1987]

Sorry hear about this from you.
You like me. BK8 casino scam like this site.They stolent 3300$ from me. Fuck scammers

[holydarkness]

apart from sports betting, I was thinking about this too but then OP mentioned that he has never played on sportsbook or poker and was playing baccarat, so there goes that assumption.

And there I was so certain that this opposite betting which am hearing  for the first time was only possible on a sportsbook or games involving duels against another player...but in a case of a casino game played against other players this doesn't seem like a win-win situation for the player either if this is a case of collusion and your buddies are losing money whilst you win at their expense [...]

From what I can infer from several cases across this board, collusion [be it alleged or proven proven through games that allows player to choose a room [or table] and fill several seats with co-conspirators while leaving one or two seats free for real players to be lured in. They communicate what card they have, when to fold or when to raise, and so on, eventually draining the other [real] players' fund.

I guess, if we suppose a collusion in a duel of PvP, where the other side is actually their friend, the winning would be in a long term basis, in form of rakeback or VIP level bonus, while they basically didn't risk as much lost fund as they will if they gambled it by dueling against other [real] player, as the capital just circulate between the involved parties.

Not sure how a collusion will work on baccarat or other game where a player is betting against a dealer, though.


winz.io, to eliminate several doubts, is it possible for you to publish OP's latest betting history? They've give you their consent and permission for it to be published. It might shed some bright light into this... confusion and uncertainty?

[acroman08]

And there I was so certain that this opposite betting which am hearing  for the first time was only possible on a sportsbook or games involving duels against another player...but in a case of a casino game played against other players this doesn't seem like a win-win situation for the player either if this is a case of collusion and your buddies are losing money whilst you win at their expense

As holydarkness has mentioned, they leave one or two seats for their victims and then they conspire with each other exchanging information about the cards that they have which in return gives them an advantage against the two unsuspecting people.

@OP looks line winz.io is willing to share the evidence they have on a mediator, now all you have to do is create a complaint on askgamblers(the mediator they mentioned) and let them check the evidence winz.io has.

[yahoo62278]

winz.io, to eliminate several doubts, is it possible for you to publish OP's latest betting history? They've give you their consent and permission for it to be published. It might shed some bright light into this... confusion and uncertainty?

I doubt anything is published in here. I had worked with winz.io for quite awhile and they always handled things pretty professionally. The only place something is going to be published is if the OP takes this to a mediator and winz owner has already agreed to proceed to that if the OP would like. Been a few days and I am not hearing anything about that route being taken.

[memehunter]

OP, were you using any specific strategy? Can you give us broad details of your strategy? Your selection of games, your betting pattern, etc. IMHO, the casino in question is indicating that you somehow tampered with their house edge. If you did that without using any unfair means (which is known to be mathematically impossible), whether knowingly or unknowingly, you must be paid in full.