Paid 0.7 btc fee! Any chance to return it?

[JDXs]

Hi guys, i need help. I did a stupid thing. I sent a part of a bitcoin from my own address to my other address using Sparrow wallet (Taproot addresses if it matters). But somehow I did not notice the fee amount. I used Sparrow wallet dozens of times and fee was always adjusted automatically in reasonable range. Something went wrong this time and i did not notice it. I paid as a fee over 0,7 btc. I can see the wallet address it was sent to. But i do not know how to find out who confirmed this transaction and who got this fee. Is there any way I can try to return it and how?  Maybe sent another transaction to same address with a short OP_RETURN message asking to contact me? I was really hoping for that sum to finish my bachelor degree. Any ideas are welcomed. Thank you!

[philipma1957]

Hi guys, i need help. I did a stupid thing. I sent a part of a bitcoin from my own address to my other address using Sparrow wallet (Taproot addresses if it matters). But somehow I did not notice the fee amount. I used Sparrow wallet dozens of times and fee was always adjusted automatically in reasonable range. Something went wrong this time and i did not notice it. I paid as a fee over 0,7 btc. I can see the wallet address it was sent to. But i do not know how to find out who confirmed this transaction and who got this fee. Is there any way I can try to return it and how?  Maybe sent another transaction to same address with a short OP_RETURN message asking to contact me? I was really hoping for that sum to finish my bachelor degree. Any ideas are welcomed. Thank you!

Give us the tx ID.

If the coin was a fee we can not help you.

But I think it was your change address not a fee. Which means you may be okay.

The only way you can get fee refunds is by talking to the pool that mined that tx.

Some pools that mined blocks with fees that are an error have refunded some of the time.

[alani123]

If you're certain it's a fee, only the miner can potentially return it.

It would be a gesture of goodwill as they're not obligated to do this because in many jurisdictions there's no clear law for bitcoin transactions and also many miners aren't even legal entities.

If you post the TX it helps know who mined the transaction and if they got your BTC as a fee. I've seen many cases of pools returning fees though. It's good publicity for them.

[philipma1957]

If you're certain it's a fee, only the miner can potentially return it.

It would be a gesture of goodwill as they're not obligated to do this because in many jurisdictions there's no clear law for bitcoin transactions and also many miners aren't even legal entities.

If you post the TX it helps know who mined the transaction and if they got your BTC as a fee. I've seen many cases of pools returning fees though. It's good publicity for them.

Yeah this has happened more than once.

[JDXs]

If you're certain it's a fee, only the miner can potentially return it.

It would be a gesture of goodwill as they're not obligated to do this because in many jurisdictions there's no clear law for bitcoin transactions and also many miners aren't even legal entities.

If you post the TX it helps know who mined the transaction and if they got your BTC as a fee. I've seen many cases of pools returning fees though. It's good publicity for them.

If it was a change address, I would have it in my wallet. My balance is 0. I have several years of experieence with btc. Just not so much with taproot addresses and Sparrow wallet.
TXID e6d33c70fe78022b6d895e81ad0ab84a33eb1023135f45fa0360249900b4059c
It says it was fee.

[notocactus]

Your transaction
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/e6d33c70fe78022b6d895e81ad0ab84a33eb1023135f45fa0360249900b4059c

It was confirmed in a block mined by Foundry USA mining pool.
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/860996

Your last hope is contact Foundry USA mining pool and hope that they help you by refund the mistakenly sent fee. Like Antpool did in this following case.
https://cryptoslate.com/antpool-to-refund-record-3-1m-bitcoin-transaction-fee-after-costly-user-mistake/

If they support you, you must sign a mesagge from that address to prove you are the true owner.

[JDXs]

Your transaction
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/e6d33c70fe78022b6d895e81ad0ab84a33eb1023135f45fa0360249900b4059c

It was confirmed in a block mined by Foundry USA mining pool.
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/860996

Your laet hope is contact Foundry USA mining pool and hope that they help you by refund the mistakenly sent fee.

I will try, thank you very much!

[alani123]

Your transaction was mined by Foundry USA.
https://mempool.space/tx/e6d33c70fe78022b6d895e81ad0ab84a33eb1023135f45fa0360249900b4059c?mode=details
They are a United States legal entity and I am highly confident they will return your money. Contact them, ideally with a signed message of your address and they will be able to return the BTC.
They have social media accounts and a contact form on their site: https://foundrydigital.com/

[philipma1957]

at op

https://foundrydigital.com/mining-service/foundry-usa-pool/

click on contact us.

send them an email

give them a link to this thread.

keep this thread alive  let us know what they say.


this is the thread link:


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5509073.0



I gave you some merits for following up and being polite.  Good luck I hope foundry says yes to you.

Also talk with your wallet ask how that fee happened.

https://www.sparrowwallet.com/

it is possible you will be able to help others if sparrow wallet has a bug.

[Findingnemo]

at op

https://foundrydigital.com/mining-service/foundry-usa-pool/

click on contact us.

send them an email

give them a link to this thread.

I checked Foundry USA mining pool ever returned wrongly sent fee amount like Ant pool or others but there are no reported such events but they can and it can bring good name for them if they decide to return it but it's beyond our control and OP can only hope he can talk them out of it.

If you don't make it then it's gonna be a very costly lesson for you and for everyone its very important to check how much fee you use for every TX as much as you check the recipient twice or thrice.

[JDXs]

I got no reply so far. I am trying to find out what happened. Sparrow wallet does not allow to set fee higher than  8,192.00 sats/vB which is 600$ now.
https://i.ibb.co/xq41Ccj/Screenshot-from-2024-09-13-21-46-51.png
I used Sparrow wallet and it physically does not allow to set that high fee of 0.7 btc. No way I could set it. Could  it potentially be a hack? If so it is odd that the entire change was used  as a fee. Very strange case.

[m2017]

Your transaction
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/transactions/btc/e6d33c70fe78022b6d895e81ad0ab84a33eb1023135f45fa0360249900b4059c

It was confirmed in a block mined by Foundry USA mining pool.
https://www.blockchain.com/explorer/blocks/btc/860996

Your last hope is contact Foundry USA mining pool and hope that they help you by refund the mistakenly sent fee. Like Antpool did in this following case.
https://cryptoslate.com/antpool-to-refund-record-3-1m-bitcoin-transaction-fee-after-costly-user-mistake/

If they support you, you must sign a mesagge from that address to prove you are the true owner.

I'll digress a bit from the main topic of the discussion, in this story I was interested in the following point.

Bitcoin implies decentralization, but aren't the actions of a mining pool that has the ability to influence the course of events in the BTC-network (returning the cost of inflated transaction fees to the sender. of course, considering that it was from "his own pocket".) some manifestation of "centralization"?

I feel sorry to see similar stories, when users mistakenly send large sums of money for fees and I support their desire to return what was lost, this to some extent differs from the idea of ​​BTC-maximalists who reject centralization. Centralization is bad, but also a necessity, isn't it.

[stompix]

Bitcoin implies decentralization, but aren't the actions of a mining pool that has the ability to influence the course of events in the BTC-network (returning the cost of inflated transaction fees to the sender. of course, considering that it was from "his own pocket".) some manifestation of "centralization"?

Neah, it's not centralization is just an individual making a decision.
Foundry can now reimburse that as it would be morally right or take the side of the miners and keep and share the fee, miners are also free to donate their share to the victim or leave the pool altogether if they think the decision is not right.
Mining in a pool is more like a commercial contract, it's nothing more really, mining pools gaining shares is more like a form of consensus, the true problem arises when we have just a few pools formed by a few mining farms or companies, but that's a different thing and another problem.

Ps, they don't influence the course of events, the fee was paid in a tx and if returned it will be in another tx, the event is set in stone.

[dkbit98]

I used Sparrow wallet and it physically does not allow to set that high fee of 0.7 btc. No way I could set it. Could  it potentially be a hack? If so it is odd that the entire change was used  as a fee. Very strange case.

It is possible, especially if you are using wind0ws OS that can easily get infected with some malware or keylogger that can change bitcoin addresses.
There is also an option you downloaded and installed malicious Sparrow wallet or it was some type of weird bug, but I think there is also a way to manually increase transaction fee.
It does sound strange for hackers to send so much money to a miner.

[khaled0111]

Based on the transactions history of the address you sent the coins to, It seems you are always following some kind of pattern.

This is the address you sent the coins to:
https://mempool.space/fr/address/bc1qhvppc7apsykmas05aj46xs6ws6qm8h5ytmtg7f

I don’t know why but it seems there is a kind of pattern: you usually send exactly 330 sats (which happens to be the dust amount for taproot transactions) to that address and the change goes back to the sending address.
Afaik,  it’s not possible to disable the change address in Sparrow. So, you need to do that manually by adding the sending address as an output.

Not sure what has gone wrong this time, but if you tell us how you create those transaction (do you use some kind of automated tools?..) then someone may help you figure out what happened.

edit: I believe this has something to do with Ordinals.

[philipma1957]

Bitcoin implies decentralization, but aren't the actions of a mining pool that has the ability to influence the course of events in the BTC-network (returning the cost of inflated transaction fees to the sender. of course, considering that it was from "his own pocket".) some manifestation of "centralization"?

Neah, it's not centralization is just an individual making a decision.
Foundry can now reimburse that as it would be morally right or take the side of the miners and keep and share the fee, miners are also free to donate their share to the victim or leave the pool altogether if they think the decision is not right.
Mining in a pool is more like a commercial contract, it's nothing more really, mining pools gaining shares is more like a form of consensus, the true problem arises when we have just a few pools formed by a few mining farms or companies, but that's a different thing and another problem.

Ps, they don't influence the course of events, the fee was paid in a tx and if returned it will be in another tx, the event is set in stone.

The pool is usa based 0.7btc is over 40,000 usd. There are laws that do cover mistaken transactions.

The op very likely could win a judgement is his to her favor in a court of law.

The records are pretty clear. There was no need to send 0.7 btc in fees so it is pretty much a slam dunk that Foundry would lose if it went to court in the USA.

Of course the op may live in a different country which could make things more complicated.

Foundry would be pretty dumb not to answer the op as he can supposedly prove all of this.

[larry_vw_1955]

Hi guys, i need help. I did a stupid thing. I sent a part of a bitcoin from my own address to my other address using Sparrow wallet (Taproot addresses if it matters). But somehow I did not notice the fee amount. I used Sparrow wallet dozens of times and fee was always adjusted automatically in reasonable range. Something went wrong this time and i did not notice it.

Wait a minute though. you meant to send  $0.20 out of a bitcoin wallet that had almost $48,000 in it? why would someone do something like that?  it seems like what you forgot to include a change address somehow. sparrow wallet must have messed up.

people should understand that every time they fire up their bitcoin wallet and do a transaction, there is a risk.

Foundry would be pretty dumb not to answer the op as he can supposedly prove all of this.

what exactly can he prove though? that he made a mistake and didn't notice the fee that it was displaying? and so that means legally they have to refund his bitcoin transaction? i'm all for OP getting back his money but that's really not how bitcoin was meant to be. it is supposed to be irreversible no matter what.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Wait a minute though. you meant to send  $0.20 out of a bitcoin wallet that had almost $48,000 in it? why would someone do something like that?  it seems like what you forgot to include a change address somehow. sparrow wallet must have messed up.

I don't really understand it either, he says he has several years of experience in bitcoin. Unless he was spamming the mempool and didn't say so.

Based on the transactions history of the address you sent the coins to, It seems you are always following some kind of pattern.

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I don’t know why but it seems there is a kind of pattern: you usually send exactly 330 sats (which happens to be the dust amount for taproot transactions) to that address and the change goes back to the sending address.

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edit: I believe this has something to do with Ordinals.

...it seems like what you forgot to include a change address somehow. sparrow wallet must have messed up.

Normally the change address is created automatically, at least in the wallets I use. And he had done this type of operation more than once, as khaled0111 says, so I'm more inclined to think it was a hack or an error that made the $600 fee limit disappear.

[LoyceV]

This is the address you sent the coins to:
https://mempool.space/fr/address/bc1qhvppc7apsykmas05aj46xs6ws6qm8h5ytmtg7f

I don’t know why but it seems there is a kind of pattern: you usually send exactly 330 sats
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edit: I believe this has something to do with Ordinals.

So OP is one of those who spam dust on the Bitcoin blockchain for financial gain. Now my sympathy suddenly turned into a feeling of sweet justice.

I stand corrected:

Right now if we go by the malware exploit scenario, it seems the attacker is the one that is involved in rune minting, not OP, benefit of doubt till anything else comes to light

[Cricktor]

I sent a part of a bitcoin from my own address to my other address using Sparrow wallet (Taproot addresses if it matters).

I don't know how proficient you're with the UTXO transaction model that Bitcoin uses. UTXO is Unspent Transaction Output. You can only spend unspent coins from previous transaction outputs. And an UTXO has to be spent in full, therefore usually the need for a change coin transaction output which returns the excess of spending one or more UTXOs in a transaction.

So, if you want to send a part of your coins to another address that belongs to you (or someone else, doesn't matter), you need a second transaction output that sends the rest of your coin minus fee back to a change address of your own wallet.

If you somehow deliberately removed that change coin output from your transaction, the rest of your spent coin becomes the transaction fee.

Transaction fee equals sum of transaction inputs minus sum of transaction outputs.

I did a stupid thing.

Agreed.

But somehow I did not notice the fee amount. I used Sparrow wallet dozens of times and fee was always adjusted automatically in reasonable range. Something went wrong this time and i did not notice it. I paid as a fee over 0,7 btc.

Your transaction input is of high value to you and you don't thoroughly check your transaction details? I must assume you have no idea of the UTXO transaction model.

I do use Sparrow wallet occasionally, too. I don't see a reason why Sparrow won't create the transaction in the most common way: one (or multiple) transaction inputs, sum of transaction inputs is sufficiently large to cover the desired amount of coins to send to the target address plus transaction fee, desired amount to be sent to the destination address AND a change coin output returning excess coins back into your own wallet.
How could this have gone wrong if you haven't deliberately, maybe unknowingly, interfered or constructed the transaction yourself without knowing all required details?

But i do not know how to find out who confirmed this transaction and who got this fee. Is there any way I can try to return it and how?

Likely any blockchain explorer will tell you who mined the block where your transaction was confirmed in. Contact Foundry as others told you with a Bitcoin signed message, signed with the private key from your transaction input. You can also prove that you own the transaction output address with another Bitcoin signed message from that private key. Doesn't hurt to prove you control all inputs and outputs of your transaction.