Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

[Perfectbaby]

I never mean to raise this topic but I think I have to to know the general public opinion based on the merits source selection technique, let us see the general overview on what should be done or a modalities to follow to implement and approved merits source.

I know my rank is too low to have this discussion over here but it's too saddened to see that lot of people applied for merits source and yet no attention is being given to them especially that of Icopress I was pushed to see that even how active he has been here theymos didn't still get moved to consider him. Not only him but lot of merits application which I can't even list all here making me to be this eager to know the people's mind.

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted, when he showed concerned it makes it more fun and a lovable place to stay with couples with the purpose while the forum is being created. If he shows concerned then it would also help to reduce stress from people who have been longing to be approved or even those that are planning to apply will make them limit their interest since he had made it clear to people his term or condition and modalities of to approvals.

Well, I mean no harm or insult to anyone neither do I have any special interest to anyone, I am only being much moved by the pending applications and this curiosity made me to raise this concern as a matter of deliberation to justify anyone whom has applied or intending to apply to check out their criteria if they are qualify as one before applying.

Please vote wisely and give your overall opinion towards this. Again if similar topic has been raised before please share links maybe I can start over there to see what effort that has been put over there.

Thank you.

[PX-Z]

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted..

No need, the fact that the admin is silent about this, means that merit distributions from merit sources is enough regardless the other sources are inactive, and the current merit sources do their job, so adding a new one is not yet an option, maybe if there is a huge decline of merit distribution from the sources.

[Perfectbaby]

Even though he has no interest to accept more merits source at least he should raised a topic to address people who are queuing up longing to be accepted..

No need, the fact that the admin is silent about this, means that merit distributions from merit sources is enough regardless the other sources are inactive, and the current merit sources do their job, so adding a new one is not yet an option, maybe if there is a huge decline of merit distribution from the sources.

Do you know that if there are enough merits in circulation there wouldn't had been a time some people would have applied for their local board merits source, and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly. So what about those local board request for merits source does it mean they have enough merits in their local board? And don't you think is right time he demotes those who aren't active to distribute their merits to more active people?

Please make use of the voting system.. poll above.

[icopress]

Judging by the voting results, we all want a little anarchy.

[PX-Z]

Do you know that if there are enough merits in circulation there wouldn't had been a time some people would have applied for their local board merits source...

No need to know, admin probably has statistics to see if those are necessary or not.

...and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly.

Users are free to apply no need to mention each one of them just because they are good poster, DT members, have good merit contribution, etc. These are not required in merit applications, depends on theymos definition of an "established" member.
Those merit giving threads are there for users for the purpose that sources don't notice them for so many reasons, one of them is having different board to stay with.

... So what about those local board request for merits source does it mean they have enough merits in their local board?

This is considerable, but most users lurks on English boards other than staying on their locals thus the reason why, (i guess), but it will be good on huge participants local forums.

... And don't you think is right time he demotes those who aren't active to distribute their merits to more active people?

Please make use of the voting system.. poll above.

That's a long time issue now, but nothing happens.

My vote is probably obvious, and im not fond of participating polls.

[Hatchy]

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Do you know that if there are enough merits in circulation there wouldn't had been a time some people would have applied for their local board merits source, and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly. So what about those local board request for merits source does it mean they have enough merits in their local board? And don't you think is right time he demotes those who aren't active to distribute their merits to more active people?

Please make use of the voting system.. poll above.

The current merit source stats shows that there are 109 merit source available in the forum. Last I checked there were 130. I guess the admin himself is responsible for updating that data https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources.

So if he finds the number of merit source declining, he just might consider adding some more to the list.. don't know his reasons for not adding currently but then I guess it might be a good one.


As for those merit threads, it's just a way for merit sources to distribute their smerit. Different Merit source has their own ways to send out their smerits. Probably they might be busy with other things so the merit thread are put on hold. To me it's a kind of long task reviewing those lengthy submissions and awarding each of them merits.

[fillippone]

and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly.

My merit thread has nothing to do with merit imbalances:
I can quickly dispose of my merit stash with my daily routine in the forum.
Merit circulation in the forum is quite good, as proven by statistics from various sources, like DdmrDdmr.

My thread is aimed at helping those who write good posts to speed up the inevitable merit collection.

[hugeblack]

The last group update was on July 05, 2021, at that time there was a demand from many members and merit sources to increase their monthly distributions and since then all changes to the merit sources list have been individual.

If I remember correctly, the changes happened twice in 2018 and 2021 so if there are enough demands it may be modified during this year.

As for how to choose, there is no voting by merit sources. I think theymos will add most of the current requests if there is a mass change.

[Doan9269]

There are merit source applications under pending for a while now and this is not because the admin wasn't aware about them, but i think he is rather waiting for a specific timing for them to be approved, such could have been if there is an urgent or crucial need for one the approval for an application, but i think there is one additional merit source Igebotz recently.

[Distinctin]

We want this: "Let Theymos decide on his own when to approve merit sources," and 90% of the voters approved it.

If there are many applications, it might take time before the merit source applications are approved. I’ve noticed that maybe all local boards should have a merit source. This is just based on my observation; for example, in the Philippine board, we had a merit source before, but it got involved in a scam, so it's no longer active. Now, there's no merit source, and the local board feels a bit sluggish. No offense to the active members, but that’s just my observation.

Maybe a suggestion would be that every local board should have a merit source, and the approval process should be expedited if there isn’t one, provided that the applicants are qualified based on Theymos’s discretion. There might be local boards with more than one merit source, so it’s a bit of a loss for us. Having one could encourage users to be more active, especially low-rank users who want to rank up.

[Helena Yu]

Because the forum don't need additional merit sources at the moment.

The forum is currently lack of objective merit sources, some users tend to give merit to their local users, gangs or someone who have a relationship with them. The thing is, it's really hard to pick that kind users, no one know what they will do after being a merit sources, although theymos can just remove them from merit sources.

[Perfectbaby]

and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly.

My merit thread has nothing to do with merit imbalances:
I can quickly dispose of my merit stash with my daily routine in the forum.
Merit circulation in the forum is quite good, as proven by statistics from various sources, like DdmrDdmr.

My thread is aimed at helping those who write good posts to speed up the inevitable merit collection.

I understand, I am not in any way questioning you neither do I questioned anyone. As a matter of discussion, you both are really trying for distribution and I must commend on you two (hugeblack and fillippone) for their great job. Then I noticed from the poll that almost every vote still "point at when theymos decides to approve". Usually it's very touching see lots of application on the pending list without responding to them or making a kind of interaction with them to at least make them know why they aren't being approved by now.

[Mia Chloe]

I think the best person to answer your question is Theymos. The fact is for a very long time now Theymos hasn't really been taking merit source applications for his own reasons. Personally I think the reason he hasn't for quite some time now is because he's probably watching the merit circulation from the back door and it all seems just fine to him. Probably based on his speculation, if he added more merit sources there would be too much smerits in circulation which would alter the value of merits.

Fact is a much as everyone is hoping Theymos accepts new merit source applications, we just have to wait for Theymos to decide that it's the right time he should have his reasons why he hasn't granted many applications yet probably because of something different from my hypothesis entirely nonetheless let's be kinda patient.

[Distinctin]

Because the forum don't need additional merit sources at the moment.

IMO, there is a need based on the reasons I've mentioned above.

But if merit source applicants will fall into this description, then it might be hard for Theymos to add one.

The forum is currently lack of objective merit sources, some users tend to give merit to their local users, gangs or someone who have a relationship with them. The thing is, it's really hard to pick that kind users, no one know what they will do after being a merit sources, although theymos can just remove them from merit sources.

[AVE5]

Please vote wisely and give your overall opinion towards this. Again if similar topic has been raised before please share links maybe I can start over there to see what effort that has been put over there.
Thank you.

Sorry. I can't find valuable reasons on why only DT members should or even why there should be voting in anyway reasons being that approved merit source shouldn't be a people's choice in the forum as there may possibly be members fans involving factions without undermining reputations.
However, merit source should be earned by the applicants capacity such as leadership potentials with transparencies with highily knowledged in the bitcointalk community to be able to diligently speculate the merits within its expected province accordingly without being biased such as building segregations of meriting and not meriting members based on their natural likes or dislikes. So if you ask me, all of the applicants are qualified reasons why because I like them all but of no technical factors.
So then, all scrutinization based on who's best in position by requirements should be by appointment of Theymos.

[Finestream]

Please vote wisely and give your overall opinion towards this. Again if similar topic has been raised before please share links maybe I can start over there to see what effort that has been put over there.
Thank you.

Sorry. I can't find valuable reasons on why only DT members should or even why there should be voting in anyway reasons being that approved merit source shouldn't be a people's choice in the forum as there may possibly be members fans involving factions without undermining reputations.
However, merit source should be earned by the applicants capacity such as leadership potentials with transparencies with highily knowledged in the bitcointalk community to be able to diligently speculate the merits within its expected province accordingly without being biased such as building segregations of meriting and not meriting members based on their natural likes or dislikes. So if you ask me, all of the applicants are qualified reasons why because I like them all but of no technical factors.
So then, all scrutinization based on who's best in position by requirements should be by appointment of Theymos.

I think we can have voting, but it shouldn’t be the final say. Maybe it could be part of the criteria, but the biggest portion should still come from the admin’s decision. We can also give a certain percentage of votes to DT members since they are trusted, so their votes should carry more weight. If you look at the contributions of some forum members who put in the effort to improve the value of the forum, DT members have made a big impact. You can see their contributions if you search. But yeah, these are just suggestions. Theymos will still have the final say on how they implement the process for adding merit sources. At least we’re here to express our opinions. Just my 2 cents.

[BlackHatCoiner]

Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

Because we have enough merit sources already. It's not a "delay of approval" kind of problem. There are just enough of us laying around. What's "enough" is, however, subjective.

Introducing a democratic system in a privately owned business is as irrational as living in a democracy where a single company has the exclusive authority to issue money, operating without oversight or regulation from elected members of Congress. Imagine the nightmare of living under such a delusional system!

[hilariousandco]

Probably because it's only the admins that can do it. Maybe theymos should consider allowing some other mods or trusted users the ability to make merit sources.

[examplens]

Do you know that if there are enough merits in circulation there wouldn't had been a time some people would have applied for their local board merits source, and if the merit is going across then no need people applying for fillippone merits review and again hugeblack who was doing review has as well close his thread for months now if I am not mistakenly.

It's not a matter of lack of merit in circulation, but the "problem" is a lack of quality posts that deserve to be awarded with merit. Threads that have been opened are to help with easy recognition of such posts. I think LoyceV recently said that he has 3 or 4 thousand merit available, but not enough quality posts for that.

[God Of Thunder]

Probably because it's only the admins that can do it. Maybe theymos should consider allowing some other mods or trusted users the ability to make merit sources.

Or maybe because he thinks there are enough merits in the circulations. If theymos can update the eligible DT1 list every month, I believe he has time to check a single application a month if he wants. Members do not create merit source application threads every week or every month. He could have checked those threads if he wanted. But he may know what we don't know.

We talk from speculations while he has the actual statistics. I agree with your opinion that if he does not have enough time to check those applications, he might give rights to the global mods so they can appoint new merit sources. But I feel like he does not think that the forum needs more merit sources.