Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

[pakhitheboss]

Some say theres enough merit sources for now. But our Local section (Philippines) needed one indeed. Maybe if possible theymos could update us whether those applications from various members are still given consideration for approval so everyone can know if were expecting more MS to be joining the list.

The last time I checked the post of Rikafip, your local board was looking good with merits. I am not aware of the merit source of your local board but I do see global sources are generous with merit. Please do not negatively take my reply but some boards like mine do need a dedicated merit source or a global merit source who is willing to give some time for us. Your argument can be valid if you have the same activity that we are seeing without anyone helping or encouraging our local board members.

[Rikafip]

The last time I checked the post of Rikafip, your local board was looking good with merits.

I think that you were looking at something else because Phillipines local board consistently has one of the lowest merit/post ratio among all local boards, and its been going on few last few years. For example, last month their merit/post ratio was only 0.13, with only Greek board having lower ratio. So yeah, they could definitely use more merit sources.

[coin-investor]

The last time I checked the post of Rikafip, your local board was looking good with merits.

I think that you were looking at something else because Phillipines local board consistently has one of the lowest merit/post ratio among all local boards, and its been going on few last few years. For example, last month their merit/post ratio was only 0.13, with only Greek board having lower ratio. So yeah, they could definitely use more merit sources.

I hope the Philippines will have a new merit source. I seldom post on my local board but always check the discussions, There are a lot of conversations among our locals here that's worth merited, and the flow of conversations is very interesting, ranging from our fight to adoption and recognition to what's happening to the industry that affects our country.

Adding more merit sources really depends on Theymos since he is the one who created the merit system and the one who sees the stats, Maybe with this discussion he will have a change of mind and approve new merit sources, and that includes our local board.

[sheenshane]

Adding more merit sources really depends on Theymos since he is the one who created the merit system and the one who sees the stats, Maybe with this discussion he will have a change of mind and approve new merit sources, and that includes our local board.

IMO, it might be hard for the admin to appoint a new one and weigh if it can carry that responsibility. (not abusing the merit)

But I hope someday our beloved admin will see our struggle in the merit cycle in our local, not for now maybe in the future.
However, this is a big challenge to us or our local board (Philippines) that doesn't mean we don't have a merit source we don't have a chance to rank up.  Global merit sources are still generous and actively spreading their merits to cycle.

[notocactus]

The current merit source stats shows that there are 109 merit source available in the forum. Last I checked there were 130. I guess the admin himself is responsible for updating that data https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=sources.

I have it collectively there

• Merit source observations
• Checking today, we have same total merit sources but there is small increase in monthly sourced merit, from 32990 on 1 May 2024 to 33190 on 15 September 2024.
• There is a small increase of 200 monthly sourced merit.

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     +----------------------------------+
     |      date   meritsource   smerit |
     |----------------------------------|
  1. | 15sep2024           109    33190 |
  2. | 01may2024           109    32990 |
  3. | 22mar2024           108    32890 |
  4. | 28nov2023           109    33140 |
  5. | 31jul2023           109    33940 |
  6. | 11jul2022           110    33989 |
  7. | 06jul2021           111    34139 |
  8. | 28jun2020            97    21171 |
  9. | 15nov2019            98    21671 |
 10. | 14nov2019            90    18821 |
     |----------------------------------|
 11. | 30oct2019           130    20895 |
 12. | 27jun2019           131    21045 |
 13. | 15mar2019           130    20605 |
 14. | 06feb2019           122    20835 |
 15. | 05jan2019           123    20735 |
 16. | 22dec2018           120    22055 |
 17. | 17nov2018           119    22045 |
 18. | 17sep2018           120    23045 |
 19. | 11jul2018            83    19100 |
 20. | 06jul2018            82    18900 |
     |----------------------------------|
 21. | 18may2018            80    18500 |
 22. | 22mar2018            80    17800 |
 23. | 12mar2018            77    17650 |
 24. | 01mar2018            57    11975 |
 25. | 26jan2018            49     9025 |
 26. | 24jan2018            35     8125 |
     +----------------------------------+

[adultcrypto]

Why does merits source takes time to be approved?

First of all, some merit sources are there. They are just not publicly known.

I have once seen a list comprising of all the merit sources so I think merits sources are not secret unless I'm wrong.

especially that of Icopress

How do you know, if someone is selected or not? Not all merit sources are public. And also: becoming a merit source could also mean, that person would have less merits to distribute, not more (for example: if I would be selected, I would probably lose some merits, because of that).

Maybe you are referring to someone with enough smerits before being made a merit source for which the smerit allocation is lower than what he has, that should be the only way the smerits will be reduced. If that be the case, you are suggesting that merit sources cannot send more than their merit allocation per month and even if they receive merits, the smerits will not add to their total sendable for the month, this I find a little confusing and need more clarifications.

[Bitcoin Smith]

• Merit source observations
• Checking today, we have same total merit sources but there is small increase in monthly sourced merit, from 32990 on 1 May 2024 to 33190 on 15 September 2024.
• There is a small increase of 200 monthly sourced merit.

Which means the big man is looking and do what's necessary and that's what the 200 increased limit implies. I have few assumptions of who got it but it will leads to a lot of speculations so I am just mentioning that he is aware of the discussion or atleast the need of change in the merit allocation but I hope he will remove the inactive users if there are any and approve some from the long pending list.

[Miles2006]

Some say theres enough merit sources for now. But our Local section (Philippines) needed one indeed. Maybe if possible theymos could update us whether those applications from various members are still given consideration for approval so everyone can know if were expecting more MS to be joining the list.

After reading the op, I read few comments and your comment caught my attention. I sincerely agree with this probably most local board lack merit source with multiple applications, if the English board doesn’t need merit source which I feel is wrong because most people are still worth the chance due to their contributions etc. I can’t tell if the admin or theymos finds it interesting adding new merit source but most local board needs a merit source as mentioned and my local board is also in need of merit source (naija local board). Creating another application for now is unnecessary, why? admins can always select old applications if necessary but the silent now is perplexing.

[skarais]

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IMO, it might be hard for the admin to appoint a new one and weigh if it can carry that responsibility. (not abusing the merit)

Apart from established users as one of the requirements, perhaps credibility is another requirement that was not mentioned. Only admins know what the specific criteria are for being designated as a new achievement source, but in the early implementation stages, some users told me that achievement sources are specifically designated and offered.

Now many local users have grown and they have become established and highly reputable users. Of course it would be good if one of them was appointed to become a new merit source so that merit circulation in the local board increases, but the admin certainly has the best reason why until now many merit source applications have been delayed. Hopefully there will be some enlightenment on this and admin will start to take some users into consideration.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Or attract abuse by using multiple accounts, if the criteria of eligible voters is very relaxed.

There's alot to what would happen... It's a discontinue process that one thing would surely escalate into another -- just like pai which is always equal to a discontinuous sequence of numbers till &
 local board posters would build a super ald and nominate it as a source with the highest votes.... Then whatever happens afterwards would be non ya business right?   it goes on and on....

I'd say, Theymos doesn't really feel the need to add new merit sources IMO... or he's just gonna take actions to any request on when it's constantly posted as a reminder? Remember what happened when TP needed a name change? At some point, we lost interest and started ignoring his display name, until that miraculous eve!

[Josefjix]

Or attract abuse by using multiple accounts, if the criteria of eligible voters is very relaxed.

There's alot to what would happen... It's a discontinue process that one thing would surely escalate into another -- just like pai which is always equal to a discontinuous sequence of numbers till &
 local board posters would build a super ald and nominate it as a source with the highest votes.... Then whatever happens afterwards would be non ya business right?   it goes on and on....

I'd say, Theymos doesn't really feel the need to add new merit sources IMO... or he's just gonna take actions to any request on when it's constantly posted as a reminder? Remember what happened when TP needed a name change? At some point, we lost interest and started ignoring his display name, until that miraculous eve!

Something I noticed with theymos is that he doesn't make decisions based on reputation alone, if he doesn't see the need to add more merit source he won't. Recently there has been some good merits distributions around the forum especially on the local boards.

[Natalim]

Adding more merit sources really depends on Theymos since he is the one who created the merit system and the one who sees the stats, Maybe with this discussion he will have a change of mind and approve new merit sources, and that includes our local board.

IMO, it might be hard for the admin to appoint a new one and weigh if it can carry that responsibility. (not abusing the merit)

But I hope someday our beloved admin will see our struggle in the merit cycle in our local, not for now maybe in the future.
However, this is a big challenge to us or our local board (Philippines) that doesn't mean we don't have a merit source we don't have a chance to rank up.  Global merit sources are still generous and actively spreading their merits to cycle.

The issue with the Philippine board is that only a few people apply to become merit sources, and even when someone does apply, it often takes a long time to get approved.

We probably need a new group of active users who can be evaluated by Theymos. Do you remember who was approved as a merit source from the Philippines? The last one I recall was cabalism13, who isn’t active anymore, and the last application I saw was from crwth, who had some issues with cabalism13 over how they handled the charity situation. Because of that, it’s likely that none of the current Philippine applications will be approved, as that incident might have caused Theymos to lose trust.

[garlonicon]

you are suggesting that merit sources cannot send more than their merit allocation per month and even if they receive merits, the smerits will not add to their total sendable for the month, this I find a little confusing and need more clarifications

Well, merit sources cannot accumulate merits for longer, than a month. If you have 10 merits per month, then when you have more, they are reduced. Which means, that if you have hundreds of received merits, and you become a merit source, then if you don't send all of them quickly, they will vanish.

So, merits can be accumulated only by those, who are not merit sources. Because if you are a source, then you have a choice: send some merits, or lose them (after a month).

[lovesmayfamilis]

There are merit sources and they're distributing merit to forum users. There are forum members who are not sauces but are distributing merits to forum users too.

Do I need more merit sauces?
I don't think so and I believe that I can rank up slowly, it's not big problem.

Now that the OP has received a significant amount of merit after creating this thread, we can see what posts the OP considers quality. Taking responsibility for distributing merits based on a fair view and not because of friendly relations is a very difficult decision for some.
However, we see a couple of merits that the OP owes for a post from a year ago . This just proves my point about why people are so concerned about the lack of more sources of merit


And yes, I agree with you; constantly whining about merit only shows the weakness of some that they are unable to earn it themselves, and still consider the forum to be a school where grades are usually given for completing homework.

[Russlenat]

And yes, I agree with you; constantly whining about merit only shows the weakness of some that they are unable to earn it themselves, and still consider the forum to be a school where grades are usually given for completing homework.

There are some great contributors on the forum who don’t necessarily get merits. Personally, I’m not chasing after a lot of merits just for my own gain. Recently, I’ve noticed that activity in our local section is dropping, which is a bit concerning.

I think one reason might be our lack of merit sources. I was wondering if we could create some informative threads in English to attract attention from merit sources outside our community. This might increase our chances of getting some merits.

Having a merit source to distribute merits could really boost activity in our local section, and possibly in others too. From what I’ve read, some locals are struggling without a merit source.

So, I’ve started this thread in hopes of sparking some interest and maybe getting some support from fellow members.

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I (we) could share some merit-s

Since we don’t have a merit source, could it be beneficial to post in English? 

[Bitcoin Smith]

you are suggesting that merit sources cannot send more than their merit allocation per month and even if they receive merits, the smerits will not add to their total sendable for the month, this I find a little confusing and need more clarifications

Well, merit sources cannot accumulate merits for longer, than a month. If you have 10 merits per month, then when you have more, they are reduced. Which means, that if you have hundreds of received merits, and you become a merit source, then if you don't send all of them quickly, they will vanish.

So, merits can be accumulated only by those, who are not merit sources. Because if you are a source, then you have a choice: send some merits, or lose them (after a month).

AFAIK, merit sources too have their own sMerits that they accumulate just like everyone else by earning one merit for every 2 merits they recieved and then the source merits which are those only can't be held more than a month. Once it reaches the new cycle the source merits replenish to the allocated amount but still they will be having their earned sMerits left alone as much as they are.

But I always wondered when a merit source decide to merit a post they have a choice to pick that merit is gonna be from their source merits or sMerits or it's just always from source merits and they get to spend their sMerits only after they exhausted their source merits.

[Apocollapse]

There are some great contributors on the forum who don’t necessarily get merits.

If their posts are really good, they will get merit when they report the posts in this thread [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

But, if they don't get merit after they posts in there, it means their posts aren't that great, no offense.

I (we) could share some merit-s

I don't think this is correct.

It sounds like you want and encourage people in your local board to meriting with each other without care about the quality posts.

And why it must be 10 or fewer merits in the last 120 days? many signature campaign ask 5-10 merits in the last 120 days in their requirement, is this just a coincidence?

The idea of this thread is simple: just introduce yourself, share why you joined the forum, and what you expect from it. You can write a short or long message, as long as you express your purpose here. Personally, I don’t have many merits, but I’m working hard to earn some from other sections to help share with deserving users based on my judgment.

So, go ahead, post now! This is open to anyone with 10 or fewer merits in the last 120 days.

[Russlenat]

There are some great contributors on the forum who don’t necessarily get merits.

If their posts are really good, they will get merit when they report the posts in this thread [self-moderated] Report unmerited good posts to Merit Source

But, if they don't get merit after they posts in there, it means their posts aren't that great, no offense.

I think not every forum member is aware of that thread. What I’d really like is for it to feel organic, where people don’t have to actively think about earning or searching for merits, but still have the chance to receive them if we have some to spare. This way, it keeps the flow natural and encourages quality contributions without the pressure of chasing merits.

There are some great contributors on the forum who don’t necessarily get merits.

I (we) could share some merit-s

I don't think this is correct.

It sounds like you want and encourage people in your local board to meriting with each other without care about the quality posts.

Kindly read again the full thread brother, my intention is clean and I want our local to grow.

Personally, I don’t have many merits, but I’m working hard to earn some from other sections to help share with deserving users based on my judgment.

If you don't believe in my judgment, then I completely respect that. After all, we're all just humans, and it's impossible to please everyone.

And why it must be 10 or fewer merits in the last 120 days? many signature campaign ask 5-10 merits in the last 120 days in their requirement, is this just a coincidence?

It's not just a coincidence; I really thought it through, focusing on giving merits to those with fewer merits. And honestly, it’s just one thread, so they still have plenty of ways to earn merits. I believe merits shouldn’t be held back since their purpose is to encourage more activity in the forum. Like I mentioned, it’s based on my personal judgment or that of my fellow countrymen whether to give merit to a post. Rest assured, the goal here is to "increase activity in our local board," which, if you visit, you'll notice has really few visitors now.

If you have any suggestions, feel free to share them on the thread I created. I specifically wrote it in English so that everyone could understand and contribute their opinions. Again, I respect your thoughts on this.

[Sandra_hakeem]

Now that the OP has received a significant amount of merit after creating this thread, we can see what posts the OP considers quality.

Bahahaha.... Lovesmay, why are you looking blue?

Heyyy ....woah! That was a joke ... gotcha!  He's not getting a couple of merits cause he posed himself around as an op that creates quality post, I see it from a different picture; first of all, i was surprised - ain't gonna lie - to see the OP getting such credits  for a fact that has been in everyone's head... 

Makes me wonder what exactly a quality post looks like to most people around in here..... This isn't thrown at anybody specifically but, that's it.  So, I get that It's an accolade in concordance of what has been ringing in our minds already ^{[Lovesmay, you don't wanna add 10 more merits for him?  ]}

And yes, I agree with you; constantly whining about merit only shows the weakness of some that they are unable to earn it themselves, and still consider the forum to be a school where grades are usually given for completing homework.

I'm not tryna defend his ass, but I can say that OP wasn't even expecting to earn such a huge number of merits at once -- atleast not from this post.

[Perfectbaby]

Now that the OP has received a significant amount of merit after creating this thread, we can see what posts the OP considers quality. Taking responsibility for distributing merits based on a fair view and not because of friendly relations is a very difficult decision for some.
However, we see a couple of merits that the OP owes for a post from a year ago . This just proves my point about why people are so concerned about the lack of more sources of merit


And yes, I agree with you; constantly whining about merit only shows the weakness of some that they are unable to earn it themselves, and still consider the forum to be a school where grades are usually given for completing homework.

Maybe you weren't getting what I meant on my post, I didn't created this topic in request to receive merits but when I visited this section i came across icopress application, considering the kind of person he is as a well known user over here and yet his application wasn't approved got me annoying. If it was approved then there is no day people will go bump up that topic to start discussing about him becoming approved, however I was actually shocked to the level of merits received so far from here. Why no I wouldn't be that open to waste it on useless post that doesn't count meaning to me or even helpful to me I wouldn't just merits because people are meriting that post and any post that has already gain I won't spend there again.

But wait.. is this how source behave? I feel like boss
Anyway how come you didn't spare some to me, okay I give you now

you are suggesting that merit sources cannot send more than their merit allocation per month and even if they receive merits, the smerits will not add to their total sendable for the month, this I find a little confusing and need more clarifications

Well, merit sources cannot accumulate merits for longer, than a month. If you have 10 merits per month, then when you have more, they are reduced. Which means, that if you have hundreds of received merits, and you become a merit source, then if you don't send all of them quickly, they will vanish.

So, merits can be accumulated only by those, who are not merit sources. Because if you are a source, then you have a choice: send some merits, or lose them (after a month).

Apparently I don't have this idea, meaning those who are source and are not sparing it away to people get burned after the duration of months, so what is there need of not giving them out to post that worth in their local boards or English boards?