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September 15, 2024, 03:20:11 AM
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Sometimes I find myself trading against the market, swimming against the tide!
This happens occasionally. When the market reaches a significant level in our favor, I feel that it's time for it to reverse and go down—even without any specific signals. Conversely, when the market keeps declining, and I anticipate further drops, I still can't resist opening a long position. It's not a regular occurrence, but when it does happen, I end up suffering losses.

Please give me advise how can solve this.
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September 15, 2024, 05:29:44 AM
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Experienced investors sometimes do this like tend to buy more in bullish times whereas ordinary investors like us tend to overbuy and buy in bearish times. When the market starts to fall, some investors get scared and they think that the price of the currency may go down further and they withdraw their holdings due to that fear and refrain from buying more.

In my opinion, most experienced investors prefer to continue buying in every price trend and get more profit during the right bullish period. Swimming against the tide means embracing higher profits and staying ahead of risk-free investing.

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September 15, 2024, 06:45:09 AM
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Experienced investors sometimes do this like tend to buy more in bullish times whereas ordinary investors like us tend to overbuy and buy in bearish times. When the market starts to fall, some investors get scared and they think that the price of the currency may go down further and they withdraw their holdings due to that fear and refrain from buying more.

In my opinion, most experienced investors prefer to continue buying in every price trend and get more profit during the right bullish period. Swimming against the tide means embracing higher profits and staying ahead of risk-free investing.
I seems not to understand your point here and why do you think experienced investors would do that? Like I know no experience investors does that including me I can't do that,  why should I venture into the market while at the support level instead of accumulating at the dip or when there are serious resistance in the price. I think still need to re-read your statement before finally posting, except isn't what I am thinking.

Down to op, well I can see any reason why you can't exit the market when you see that you are losing on a long position. Usually if you don't understand the trend or if you haven't confirmed it properly from your analysis then I would advise to stay clear from the market and besides trading isn't that easy also not for everyone to trade.

You can do DCA to keep accumulating bitcoin gradually and your chances of losing them are very slim instead you would be on profits immediately there's slight change in the market.

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September 15, 2024, 07:33:28 AM
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That is trading for you. What you will need to study more about is where the market is going. Recently the market is somehow bullish. If the market price of a coin increases and those indicators are telling you to go short and you open a short position, you may start to lose as the price of the coins continue to increase. During bear market, the opposite can happen. Day traders are the ones they will experience what you are taking about. This is one of the reasons day trading is very risky.

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September 15, 2024, 08:57:44 AM
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When the market reaches a significant level in our favor, I feel that it's time for it to reverse and go down—even without any specific signals. Conversely, when the market keeps declining, and I anticipate further drops, I still can't resist opening a long position. It's not a regular occurrence, but when it does happen, I end up suffering losses.

Please give me advise how can solve this.
That is your strategy and approach to trading, nobody can give you any advice to solve this because we also do not control the market and our advice could also be wrong and cause you losses. If the market is depreciating and you think your best shot is opening a long position, then that it is up to you, you might get it right sometimes. That being said, if you are not gaining from trading as you would like, then maybe you should take a break to analyse to decisions and strategies.

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September 15, 2024, 09:09:34 AM
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You need to learn more about self control so you will not trying to trade when the market reverse. That is happens to myself many times but I still trying to learn about self control so I will not waste my money to open trade. We can not against the market when is reverse without analyzing where the market will move. If we are not sure with the market situation, that will be the time for us to hold ourselves and waiting for the next sign to enter the market. There is no other way for you to leave the market if you can not control and hold yourself. You will have many times to enter to the market especially when the market gives the sign to you to enter. You don't have to force yourself to open trade just to chase the profit because that can make you lose your money.

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September 15, 2024, 09:15:17 AM
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Sometimes I find myself trading against the market, swimming against the tide!
This happens occasionally. When the market reaches a significant level in our favor, I feel that it's time for it to reverse and go down—even without any specific signals. Conversely, when the market keeps declining, and I anticipate further drops, I still can't resist opening a long position. It's not a regular occurrence, but when it does happen, I end up suffering losses.

Please give me advise how can solve this.
Well charts could change instantly especially if you are using an extensive chart analysis. Though could make a wrong impression if a fundamental news carried out suprisingly.

Many traders find it unfortunate when they feel trading against the market but what could we do? Sometimes it all about a lucky position.

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September 15, 2024, 09:21:55 AM
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Sometimes I find myself trading against the market, swimming against the tide!
When you want to swim against the tide, you must know how to do this through learning and practicing. By learning, you will know that you only can trade like this if you use leverage or futures trading, but again through learning you will surely know that Leverage/ Futures trading is more risky than Spot trading. Hence, you can stop there and don't touch leverage/ futures trading.

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Please give me advise how can solve this.
Consider about risk and how much you have lost so far with swimming against the tide. Then you will find many reasons to stop this trading hobby that causes you so much losses.

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This happens occasionally. When the market reaches a significant level in our favor, I feel that it's time for it to reverse and go down—even without any specific signals. Conversely, when the market keeps declining, and I anticipate further drops, I still can't resist opening a long position. It's not a regular occurrence, but when it does happen, I end up suffering losses.

Every trader has experience this when trading before therefore it is a normal thing that happens but when it happens to you always then there is a problem and you need to stop trading and go back to learning how to analyze the market again. No trader is above learning therefore when you encounter an issue, you should study the market again and do less of trading and more of learning. You are getting your interpretation of the market wrong this is what is making you get more losses than wins. At times it could be your brain playing a trick on you so next time when you read the market and think you should open a long position, open a short position instead and you might be smarter than the market this time. Trading should not be guess work though so learn how to interpret the market more accurately so you do not get it wrong.

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September 15, 2024, 09:50:54 AM
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I would say if you're not trade against the market, you're not a trader.

If we're only following the market, no one will lose in trading because the price will keep increase, you don't have to be a trader in order to make money when the market is bullish. But, you will earn smaller than people who buy at once in the beginning and sell at the peak.

It's easy to make money during bullish, but only some people can make money during bearish, they're traders!

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September 15, 2024, 01:26:59 PM
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Sometimes I find myself trading against the market, swimming against the tide!
This happens occasionally. When the market reaches a significant level in our favor, I feel that it's time for it to reverse and go down—even without any specific signals. Conversely, when the market keeps declining, and I anticipate further drops, I still can't resist opening a long position. It's not a regular occurrence, but when it does happen, I end up suffering losses.

Please give me advise how can solve this.

What i may have to say here is that trading could be unpredictable to some extent, there are situations whereby you will expect for more bear while what you will keep on seeing is just a bullish trend while the same can as well occur in reverse and opposite direction, we need to know well on the procedures to study the chart flow, it may intend to go bearish while all you could be seeing is bullish, all these happens often time and traders are losing at the cause because they are more focused on one direction and pattern only on their trades.

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September 15, 2024, 01:35:23 PM
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This is no big deal in opinion, I would just advise myself not to start such position after I must have experienced loss on a few times of trying the strategy. If actually it's a strategy that helps you to earn more profit, you will be happy to continue using it but since it's a bad strategy, I see no reason why you will find it difficult to stop.

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Doing it on crypto is suicide since typical crypto trader behavior is always riding the wave due to the fomo which means the tide is always strong if there's a trend. Waiting for the correction is the perfect move instead of buying against the tide while there's still a trend.

Some sign that correction is already at play are the price decrease sharply, sudden low trading volume and no follow hype about the project on the social media.

But I preferred buying tokens before the price rally rather than buying when there's already a trend since the downside is minimal while the upside has a lot of space for profit once the coin pump already. Just be patient if you didn't buy early.

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I always do that before because of a lack of knowledge about divergence where you think reversal will happen at the target price until you open a long position at that area but it keeps declining and hit your stop-loss the result is negative profit.

You can avoid such a scenario it needs patience but first learn SMC to catch divergence and SMC will also give you an idea of where are the liquidation area and only enter a position at the "FVG" fair value gap.
Also, learn about reversal patterns and combine it with SMC you will know where the divergence is once you find the bullish divergence signal use the SMC method to know the liquidation area and where to enter.

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Last edit: September 16, 2024, 04:27:40 PM by AmoreJaz
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This is no big deal in opinion, I would just advise myself not to start such position after I must have experienced loss on a few times of trying the strategy. If actually it's a strategy that helps you to earn more profit, you will be happy to continue using it but since it's a bad strategy, I see no reason why you will find it difficult to stop.

If you will do it again and again and you know you are losing on that strategy, then something is wrong with you. You need to pause for a bit, and think why you are going to such path? Also, as you go thru your trading journey, for sure you will pick-up a thing or two of some tricks that you may need while you are doing your strategy.

In other words, if you want to minimize losses, just stop when you feel you are continuously losing your targets. Don't chase your losses and you will hear these phrases more on gambling side but it is also true with trading.
> Change tactics if you think there's alternative approach
> Don't use your savings just to augment your losses and continue again
> Skip for a while, a short pause may clear your head

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September 16, 2024, 03:41:32 AM
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the sole reason you trade against market is because your ego, tune it down then you can easily avoid bad trades.

i have seen so many such cases with newbie, thinking they know better than the veteran who did so many TA to determine entry point and at the end of the day always liquidated.

one thing you need to know, the market are hunting for these trader with high ego thinking they can be right and other people are wrong and the whales are profiting big time from it. avoid it by trading based on technical analysis.

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Since trading is a very risky activity, you must analyze the market. Otherwise you may lose your capital And trading against the market is not very easy. Since we often do not easily understand what the future of the market is going to be like, you must be careful. Lest you go against the flow and lose your money. For this you must be strategic and be in touch with skilled traders. You can trade for it in small chunks. Then you gain but slowly and lose but not much. As a result, you can overcome yourself in all aspects.

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September 16, 2024, 02:47:14 PM
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I would say if you're not trade against the market, you're not a trader.

If we're only following the market, no one will lose in trading because the price will keep increase, you don't have to be a trader in order to make money when the market is bullish. But, you will earn smaller than people who buy at once in the beginning and sell at the peak.

It's easy to make money during bullish, but only some people can make money during bearish, they're traders!
But how many traders are succeed in trading against the market? I think this percentage will be very low, profits will be depend on the luck if we trade against the market, some pro traders can do that, it's not possible to everyone i think. But its true that a traders have to trade sometimes against the market, both of experienced they have, most of the times i lost when i am trading against the market trend.

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Sometimes I find myself trading against the market, swimming against the tide!
This happens occasionally. When the market reaches a significant level in our favor, I feel that it's time for it to reverse and go down—even without any specific signals. Conversely, when the market keeps declining, and I anticipate further drops, I still can't resist opening a long position. It's not a regular occurrence, but when it does happen, I end up suffering losses.

Please give me advise how can solve this.
Do your TA analysis before opening a trade. First thing I learnt was to never trade against the market. If the market is in an uptrend or downtrend, you follow the trend. You don’t enter or exit trade based on how you “feel”. If you are trading with your emotions unchecked, you will lose no matter how good your trading setup is because you are yet to discipline yourself to overcome your greed and fear.

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Knowing the direction of the market where to go to, it is important to know. Trading against the market for trade actors is not foreign because they may also have done it. For me, trading actors who carried out these actions could be said that they were carrying out their trade strategies and approaches to be able to achieve goals through the pathway. If you often find yourself trading like that, then it is not wrong if someone says that it is the approach you take.

Please give me advise how can solve this.
I rarely give trade advice because it is wrongly interpreted and can be considered pretentious to understand if the situation is not as I suggest.

 
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