Market Manipulation! Is it real?

[Zigabel]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Unavoidably when whale holders sell of at any point, there's usually an effect on the market and this cuts across all coins and tokens, some persons do mistaken this actions for market manipulation but fail to understand that these holding were mainly because of profit making and other tangible reasons of which when such is accomplished, taking of profit, partially or fully becomes the next line of action,o I literally see that as a normal human reactions to happenings around the market but a typical manipulation happens with tokens that have most of its holdings with a particular circle or the exchange that created them, they could do this for certain reasons, probably to cause better volatility or liquidation of small holder from which they benefit after the inducement of these retail trades I to panic buying or selling, its more common with small tokens and unstable coins, but with Bitcoin I wouldn't call it manipulation because almost nobody has got a monopoly of it as do other coins and tokens.

[$weetne$$]

The manipulation happens more often with low cap tokens and the large ones like bitcoin and ethereum are mostly affected by news which many will also view as manipulating the market. The bitcoin market cap is so big that it can be manipulated by a single entity just like we see in other low cap coins. Asides news, I haven’t seen something that big that will have effect on the bitcoin market on a less broader scale.

Market manipulation happens more in altcoins and those with low cap because with small quantity of dollars, you can have an effect on the price of the coins. Before anybody will want to manipulate the price of Bitcoin, they first have to own alot of money and still they can find it hard to want to manipulated the price therefore it is only through rumors, news and fud that they can use to manipulate the price. After the news has had its effects on the market then they can begin to sell If they want the market to fall or buy when they want the market to start rising. Cryptocurrency market is full of manipulation but you can avoid getting affected by not being moved by the news or the market. Just ignore them and continue to keep investing base on your strategy and you will be safe from manipulation.

[rhodelmabanal]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

[Rampagoe004]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Many crypto players still ask questions about what caused the manipulation that has been carried out over the years when market prices rose and fell. This usually happens at times that cannot be determined when the manipulation does not only occur in stablecoins without exception, large coins such as bitcoin and ethereum also have the impact of manipulation. I think you also got the news and are sure that market manipulation occurs in large cryptocurrencies.

Coin manipulation will hardly be possible as coins have low market capacity. Every market can be manipulated depending on market demand, although manipulation is very difficult to prove.

[bitLeap]

be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

Some people still believe that news can be used to manipulate the market. Example is if the United States SEC X account that was compromised could have been actually done by someone intentionally. The aim of the person could be to manipulate the crypto market. But aside that, I do not know how bitcoin price can be manipulated because having a marketcap of over $1 trillion is not a joke. Manipulation is almost impossible unlike on low marketcap coins.

The media plays on everyone's speculation which eventually creates a kind of price manipulation in the market. But once again the context of manipulation can differ in opinion, sometimes we consider it manipulation because it has pressure on the assets owned, therefore as a holder the thing I avoid the most is reacting to information that risks making your grip unbalanced. In any case, information is a weapon that has an important role, in today era you don't need to cause destruction with weapons because with any information it can be manipulated including in the crypto market which relies on speculation that can be obtained by anyone.

[liasbaa]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

Your assumption is not correct. Markets are manipulated and big investors and gamblers can create volatile situations in the market and it has happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future. But they don't do it every time. They conduct their surveys on investors' interest in investments and the attitudes of holders and try to influence the market. They do this for the benefit of a group and try to exploit the market by destabilizing it.

[Shishir99]

its not surprising that they would be making up those kind of possible manipulations in regarding on playing with those news or simply fundamentals.

Look, If the government entity gets involved in manipulating the market, that will be a real shame. The size of the ETF market is getting bigger every day and companies like Blackrock can manipulate the market. But if you see the recent case, it wasn't from any of those ETF companies or from the government entity. The manipulation was from the news media which is BitcoinMagazine.

I cannot imagine an online news media to do these manipulations. Luckily, people were able to catch them placing bets on Rollbit. Or else, we would never know it was just a pre-planned thing that they executed. They didn't admit that, but you should understand it. 

[shawonngp]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

Why manipulation is not true? like just imagine if you are a owner of a project and your team is holding 30% coins in total supply, if your team is start selling all of those coins, that will not be highly reflected in the coin price? of course price will be crash, so it's simple thing about market manipulation which is very much true.

[pawanjain]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I won't disagree to this because I believe it is certainly possible. Market manipulation does exists in stock markets and crypto markets.
We have already seen pump and dumps happening with altcoins and meme coins.
So all we need is enough capital and bitcoin is not exempt from this possibility too.
There are few entities which hold a large amount of bitcoins and if they execute it properly then bitcoin price can certainly be manipulated even though it's hard to tell but it is.

[fuguebtc]

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

Why manipulation is not true? like just imagine if you are a owner of a project and your team is holding 30% coins in total supply, if your team is start selling all of those coins, that will not be highly reflected in the coin price? of course price will be crash, so it's simple thing about market manipulation which is very much true.

Has any thief just stolen and shouted : "I'm a thief, catch me, catch me" ? Or is there any criminal who kills someone and then admits to being the murderer and publicly announces it to everyone ? 


It is true that we do not have any concrete evidence of market manipulation but that does not mean that the market is not manipulated . Even the stock market with a capitalization of over $100 trillion has been involved in multiple market manipulation scandals , let alone a small market like cryptocurrency .

@rhodelmabanal , I want to ask you: if you had hundreds of billions of dollars, would you invest transparently and make sure not to do anything shady ?  Or will you find ways and connect with others to manipulate the market to ensure your safety and make bigger profits ? Just because we don't see it or don't do it , doesn't mean someone else won't or it won't happen .

[shinratensei_]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

distinguishing manipulation or genuine price movement is hard though, can't really determine what really happen if we don't get any real data about who buys and who sell.
thing such as manipulation could definitely happen but I think it's only possible in a coin that has low trading volume since it costs less.

with BTC, it won't happen, even recent microstrategy large buys up of BTC that just happened recently only moved the price of BTC slightly, I don't believe there's any whale that could move the price, BTC recent price also seems natural and purely influenced by the news.

but if we look at CMC there are some low trading volume coin that suddenly got thousand percent of increase, it could just be a large spot buying or the project delivering some outstanding things.

[Marvell1]

distinguishing manipulation or genuine price movement is hard though, can't really determine what really happen if we don't get any real data about who buys and who sell.
thing such as manipulation could definitely happen but I think it's only possible in a coin that has low trading volume since it costs less.

with BTC, it won't happen, even recent microstrategy large buys up of BTC that just happened recently only moved the price of BTC slightly, I don't believe there's any whale that could move the price, BTC recent price also seems natural and purely influenced by the news.

but if we look at CMC there are some low trading volume coin that suddenly got thousand percent of increase, it could just be a large spot buying or the project delivering some outstanding things.

It is true that Bitcoin manipulation is much harder than lower cap coins but that does not mean Bitcoin cannot be manipulated. Just a small movement like 5-10% is enough for whales to make significant profits, they don't need to find ways to manipulate to create 40-50% movements like shitcoin because they are using billions of dollars in bitcoin and 5% of 1 billion dollars is not a small profit.

If bitcoin is not easily manipulated, can you explain why bitcoin is so volatile with just 1 fake news spreading in the market? Remember the news about Mt.gox? Every time there is news that they are going to compensate investors, the market reacts and bitcoin gets dumped immediately and this has been going on for the past 10 years. What is that if not manipulation? A market that is so sensitive to news, even fake news, if that is not manipulation then what is?

[FortuneFollower]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

distinguishing manipulation or genuine price movement is hard though, can't really determine what really happen if we don't get any real data about who buys and who sell.
thing such as manipulation could definitely happen but I think it's only possible in a coin that has low trading volume since it costs less.

with BTC, it won't happen, even recent microstrategy large buys up of BTC that just happened recently only moved the price of BTC slightly, I don't believe there's any whale that could move the price, BTC recent price also seems natural and purely influenced by the news.

but if we look at CMC there are some low trading volume coin that suddenly got thousand percent of increase, it could just be a large spot buying or the project delivering some outstanding things.

I do agree.
With big coins it won't affect them that much, for the reasons you described.
With new and low-cap coins - things can escalate quickly, as they are too volatile.
The manipulation is real, in my opinion, but with a different extent.

[lixer]

its not surprising that they would be making up those kind of possible manipulations in regarding on playing with those news or simply fundamentals.

Look, If the government entity gets involved in manipulating the market, that will be a real shame. The size of the ETF market is getting bigger every day and companies like Blackrock can manipulate the market. But if you see the recent case, it wasn't from any of those ETF companies or from the government entity. The manipulation was from the news media which is BitcoinMagazine.

I cannot imagine an online news media to do these manipulations. Luckily, people were able to catch them placing bets on Rollbit. Or else, we would never know it was just a pre-planned thing that they executed. They didn't admit that, but you should understand it. 

This is real problem we all are watching and understanding things are happening around us, but we can't do anything just guesses and images are surrounding us for the years we are reading and listening about this manipulation but no one able to bring any proof about this because we all know it's never been easy or in some cases possible to bring proof about this.

Usually big companies involved in this manipulation but still it's never been easy in few cases we read few governments also done things for their own interest but as we know Bitcoin and crypto are decentralized so how things can manipulate it's also strange, but big community feel about this happening and things are going as these manipulators wants.

[shawonngp]

I think it is not true, no one can prove that it is really manipulated by any group of people company or corps, it is only goes down and pump again because of some investors large or small do buy and selling, that is why there is a movement of the price depending on the volume of selling or buying pressure, i think manipulation is just a theory base on what people think and not on the reality.

Why manipulation is not true? like just imagine if you are a owner of a project and your team is holding 30% coins in total supply, if your team is start selling all of those coins, that will not be highly reflected in the coin price? of course price will be crash, so it's simple thing about market manipulation which is very much true.

Has any thief just stolen and shouted : "I'm a thief, catch me, catch me" ? Or is there any criminal who kills someone and then admits to being the murderer and publicly announces it to everyone ?  


It is true that we do not have any concrete evidence of market manipulation but that does not mean that the market is not manipulated . Even the stock market with a capitalization of over $100 trillion has been involved in multiple market manipulation scandals , let alone a small market like cryptocurrency .

You got the right point. a market manipulator will never admits about his/her cheating, but it's not rocket science to understand that market is looks manipulated or not, it's very simple calculation, in a project of course a significant amount of tokens holders from team or big investors, so they have power to manipulate in the market if they just go to sell their all tokens, it's called manipulation, it's absolutely possible, don't need to see other evidence.

[Oshosondy]

You got the right point. a market manipulator will never admits about his/her cheating, but it's not rocket science to understand that market is looks manipulated or not, it's very simple calculation, in a project of course a significant amount of tokens holders from team or big investors, so they have power to manipulate in the market if they just go to sell their all tokens, it's called manipulation, it's absolutely possible, don't need to see other evidence.

It is highly possible for whales to manipulate market but not just any market but those altcoins market. That is why it is good to go for a better coin. Bitcoin is having a marketcap of over a trillion dollar which can be more resistable to market manipulation. But many people will trade altcoins and still be complaining of market manipulation. Then why are they not treading with bitcoin instead of gambling with altcoins.

[Odusko]

We often heard about market manipulation in crypto market. It can be true for small cap, or coin that issue by exchange or for the token where most of that token hold by team. But we also heard it about Bitcoin and etherum, when price fluctuate in large scale. I don't understand how these large cap coin can be manipulate, when these coin are well distributed and decentralized?

80% of memecoins Market are heavily manipulated that is just one aspect of market manipulation, because even Bitcoin market can be technically manipulated just that the impact of such manipulation will be very low at a point, but it can be low with memecoins, lately most of the memecoins have fake volume, fake market capitalization and so on, and this have lead to many losing their position due to asap liquidations of market position.

If you see ten opening in a memecoins market, just know that almost 8 out of the ten are just bots and the moment real investors put in money to open a position, the team's start acting with all the bots to get the price to liquidation point and taking off the trader from the market once his position get liquidated, this is another new means of scamming people.

[Shishir99]

This is real problem we all are watching and understanding things are happening around us, but we can't do anything just guesses and images are surrounding us for the years we are reading and listening about this manipulation but no one able to bring any proof about this because we all know it's never been easy or in some cases possible to bring proof about this.

This is true that we cannot actually do anything. Previously, Elon Mask was involved in market manipulation as well which he does not admit though. But everyone should know what he did in the past. At first, he bought a lot of Bitcoin and said his company would start accepting payment in Bitcoin which they did. Later, Bitcoin pumped a lot as the investor got some confidence.

A couple of months later, he started selling his Bitcoin at a better price because Bitcoin was already pumped after his announcement. Then again, he said that his company won't accept Bitcoin payments anymore. He does not support the idea of mining Bitcoin because it wastes electricity while his Tesla cars consume electricity as well. What are we able to do? Nothing.

[tvplus006]

Why manipulation is not true? like just imagine if you are a owner of a project and your team is holding 30% coins in total supply, if your team is start selling all of those coins, that will not be highly reflected in the coin price? ..

This is exactly what happens when a team starts selling its tokens, they are joined by other holders who make panic sales, which leads to an even greater price reduction. And when the price reaches the minimum values, the team buys tokens at a reduced price and thereby increases their number in their wallet.

[Pandu Geddon]

This is true that we cannot actually do anything. Previously, Elon Mask was involved in market manipulation as well which he does not admit though. But everyone should know what he did in the past. At first, he bought a lot of Bitcoin and said his company would start accepting payment in Bitcoin which they did. Later, Bitcoin pumped a lot as the investor got some confidence.

A couple of months later, he started selling his Bitcoin at a better price because Bitcoin was already pumped after his announcement. Then again, he said that his company won't accept Bitcoin payments anymore. He does not support the idea of mining Bitcoin because it wastes electricity while his Tesla cars consume electricity as well. What are we able to do? Nothing.

This can only be done by influential people and have high public trust. I don't care about the intended profit target. but the situation has succeeded in influencing the market.

Worse things might be done to new token projects. this market manipulation practice can be done by token holders in large numbers especially if they are part of a project that can move its community. they can make positive news to refresh the community.

We can't blame this, and we can't do anything. All we can do is think logically to stay in our plan.