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May 24, 2025, 02:26:47 PM
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AI generated ?

Feel free to check for AI usage within the forum and report it here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5456516.0
You 'll see multiple AI detectors that you can use and in the OP you can see how to report properly.

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May 30, 2025, 05:04:01 PM
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A decentralized, lightweight Bisq could lower everyday users’ barriers to trade without surrendering custody.
A light client might need to rely on a network of semi-trusted relays or an SPV-like system. Perhaps drawing from how Bitcoin SPV wallets work (verifying via headers/merkle proofs) could help so users don’t have to sync the entire order book or blockchain. Regarding the central node issues, maybe the community could decentralize that function by having multiple volunteer-run nodes or a rotating federation to reduce single points of failure.

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June 05, 2025, 08:05:10 PM
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In github it's been weeks since Bisq Light Client Initiative Project received updates. We know eXch team isn't coming back so there isn't a donor who's going pay devs. Is Bisq Light Client Initiative Project dead ?

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June 23, 2025, 02:35:57 PM
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June 24, 2025, 03:57:46 AM
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BISQ was one of the motivations for a new(er) laptop. Of course, it was still slow as anything, and you have to keep the bloated client online just to provide liquidity, so it didn't work out. And that laptop doesn't even work anymore, and I have no idea what role BISQ may have played in that.

I wonder if what you build could be structured like an API. If you made it simple enough for almost anyone to start developing on top of, where what you coded was the protocol barebones. I imagine there are so many cool utilities that people could build on top of the basics. It's like a framework.

Here are all kinds of cool project ideas:
  • Some sort of automatic liquidity pool that creates buy/sell orders to keep a certain ratio of two different coins.
  • A stop loss function that sells automatically if the price falls.
  • A super lightweight client that just keeps one order active and alerts when it fills.
  • A mobile phone application.
  • Integration with other APIs to fulfill orders automatically.

If you built the bare bones building blocks, then it could open BISQ up so widely, and so many cool tools could be built for people everywhere. A lot of technical bitcoiners would build their own tools.
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June 24, 2025, 04:32:23 AM
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BISQ was one of the motivations for a new(er) laptop. Of course, it was still slow as anything, and you have to keep the bloated client online just to provide liquidity, so it didn't work out. And that laptop doesn't even work anymore, and I have no idea what role BISQ may have played in that.

I wonder if what you build could be structured like an API. If you made it simple enough for almost anyone to start developing on top of, where what you coded was the protocol barebones. I imagine there are so many cool utilities that people could build on top of the basics. It's like a framework.

If you built the bare bones building blocks, then it could open BISQ up so widely, and so many cool tools could be built for people everywhere. A lot of technical bitcoiners would build their own tools.

Is what you envision is instant propagation of APIs like a CPU would offload subprocesses?   It's the best possible idea for a local environment of a laptop, but unless you want to code a thousand different APIs to interact with each layer of each process you'll need to anticipate or mandate exact specs, or use AI.

If I'm wrong in my assumption, what part of the BISQ processing would you outsource?

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June 25, 2025, 12:30:10 PM
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In github it's been weeks since Bisq Light Client Initiative Project received updates. We know eXch team isn't coming back so there isn't a donor who's going pay devs. Is Bisq Light Client Initiative Project dead ?

@OrangeFren is still active on the forum so they might be able to give an update in terms of funding and activity.
Also, and this is just me, if it's a side / hobby / low income project for people "real work" will come 1st.

I have a couple of projects that I started over the years and even provided some money for programmers to deal with that slowly died as they took on more lucrative gigs.

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October 15, 2025, 08:23:14 PM
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Great news for everyone who wanted light version of Bisq exchange is new release of Bisq Easy for mobile devices.
Bisq easy is ofering fully decentralized P2P Bitcoin trading over Tor for Android mobile devices.
This is Bisq Easy second public beta release version 0.1.3, so you can expect some bugs in this early stage.
https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq-mobile


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October 29, 2026, 05:03:03 PM
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BISQ was one of the motivations for a new(er) laptop. Of course, it was still slow as anything, and you have to keep the bloated client online just to provide liquidity, so it didn't work out. And that laptop doesn't even work anymore, and I have no idea what role BISQ may have played in that.

I wonder if what you build could be structured like an API.
[...]
If you built the bare bones building blocks, then it could open BISQ up so widely, and so many cool tools could be built for people everywhere. A lot of technical bitcoiners would build their own tools.

I think what you want is a Bisq protocol library.  In the past, I would’ve said a C library; now, I will say “either a C library, or a Rust crate with cbindgen C bindings”.  Almost every other language can link to C.

For the reference client, an MVC GUI design’s model can then hook into the library’s API.

Compare how the Tor network’s new daemon, Arti, is a Rust crate that’s designed to be linked into other applications.  Incidentally, this embedding helps to solve the Bisq issues with its problematic Tor embedding.

If the Bisq library or crate is liberally licensed for embedding in other projects, that would promote wider usage—and thus, the liquidity and volume that an exchange needs for long-term success and stability.  For instance, if I ever write my own wallet, I might like to add a Bisq plugin so my users have handy in-wallet access to P2P exchange.  Or someone may want to make a headless Bisq daemon to run 24/7/365 on a low-energy Pi, plus a web app frontend to control it from their phone.  The possibilities are limitless when a protocol can be embedded into many projects.

Please think in terms of composable software, and the Unix philosophy.

I have further ideas for how to improve what I’ve seen of Bisq, but such discussion is premature if there’s no good implementation of the existing protocol.



My perspective:  I’ve never used Bisq.  I tried, way back in 2017.  The Bisq program was huge, slow, and flaky.  I couldn’t disable its ad hoc embedded Tor, for use with my network-isolating Tor gateway; under a throwaway alt, I asked for help on the Bisq forum and then on Github.  If a program insists on spawning its own Tor instead of using mine, that’s strictly a dealbreaker—and it raises questions about the developers’ understanding of security.  I gave up.  I briefly glanced at it a few years later; from a distance, it seemed by then more like a way to promote a BISQ token, which didn’t interest me.

Today, P2P exchange is more important than ever.  If Bisq had a solid implementation, perhaps I may wish to get involved.  I code, but not Python.

What is the status of this project?  1.25 BTC were spent; unless I missed something on a skim, 3.75 BTC remain.  No one even bumped this thread for over a year.  Is this project alive?  Are its backers interested in rebooting it, and perhaps in taking it in a new direction?

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