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Today at 05:31:27 AM
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umm, I don't think so. The content was originally mine, I just fixed it. 

That's what AI does too.   The content is originally mine, it's just fixing it for me.

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Today at 05:46:09 AM
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In programming things will be a little different.

First, as mentioned, a lot of content can be developed based on Open Source code. Some of this code requires credits to be given, others do not.
If the code you use, edit and publish doesn't require to credit the original author, that's fine when it comes to copyright laws. But if you pretend you wrote all of it, it's still plagiarism.

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Today at 07:50:51 AM
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In programming things will be a little different.

First, as mentioned, a lot of content can be developed based on Open Source code. Some of this code requires credits to be given, others do not.
If the code you use, edit and publish doesn't require to credit the original author, that's fine when it comes to copyright laws. But if you pretend you wrote all of it, it's still plagiarism.

That is true.

But for a programmer to say that was simply ruining his career, because saying that he did something that in reality he is not capable of doing, is not very positive. It's better to say that you used a certain tool and receive credit for knowing how to use it very well, than in the end losing all credibility.


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If the code you use, edit and publish doesn't require to credit the original author, that's fine when it comes to copyright laws. But if you pretend you wrote all of it, it's still plagiarism.

Open source code, which most of these packages are, give you full rights to edit without credit.

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Today at 04:36:15 PM
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Open source code, which most of these packages are, give you full rights to edit without credit.
I checked The MIT License, which is used by Bitcoin Core, and indeed, it only requires to include the License, not the credits. I didn't expect that.

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Today at 05:01:48 PM
Last edit: Today at 05:41:30 PM by Alone055
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That's what AI does too.   The content is originally mine, it's just fixing it for me.

Not specifically, only if you ask it for that. When you use a prompt to generate something (textual) from an AI model, the idea is yours, not the content.

What Grammarly or other tools do is correct your mistakes, for example, if I write, "He have a good sense of humor.", now, there is a mistake in my sentence, I'm supposed to use "has" with "He" because it's a third person singular and based on English grammar rules, we are supposed to use "has" with third person singular. Grammarly will show me the mistakes in my sentences and help me correct them. In this case, the written content is my own, but it's just helping me have no mistakes in it.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with using AI to rectify your mistakes or help you write your sentences in correct grammar. If a user is writing the content and then using an AI to correct the mistakes, there is nothing wrong with it, but if someone is generating the whole content using an AI model, and then passing it on as their own, that is wrong.

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Today at 05:08:34 PM
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Open source code, which most of these packages are, give you full rights to edit without credit.
I checked The MIT License, which is used by Bitcoin Core, and indeed, it only requires to include the License, not the credits. I didn't expect that.

It's true, using open source really allows you to do whatever you want with it, even if it means taking it as it is being sold.

I went to ask ChatGPT if it was considered plagiarism, using AI code in projects, and after a "conversation" he highlighted:
"1. AI-Generated Code is Original - AI-generated code is not a direct copy of other existing code unless it is explicitly asked to replicate something specific.
2. AI Acts as a Tool - Using AI to create code is similar to using other software development tools, such as frameworks, libraries, and code generators.
3. User Control and Supervision - The user has control over the generated code, guiding the process and refining solutions as needed. You are responsible for the logic, structure and final implementation, which means the end result is a co-creation under your direction. The final code is the result of your decisions and adjustments, with the AI ​​serving as a technical assistant."


I think point 3 is the key point in this issue. If the idea, supervision, guidance, analysis, adjustments are made by the person, then the final result belongs to that person.


But this logic can no longer be applied to the written text, without modifications. In the same "conversation", I asked what it would be like in the case of texts and the answer was:
"If you use an AI like ChatGPT to create text and submit it without modifications or without indicating that it was generated by an AI, the concept of plagiarism may apply depending on the context."


In short, using source code via AI is very different from using text.

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Today at 07:08:35 PM
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For me AI generated content in forum fits nicely under rule number 33:
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Posting plagiarized content is not allowed.

You can actually use AI generated text for something and post it in forum, but you should post it with quotes and add note that this text was generated with xyz AI.
Anything else is going to be considered as zero or low value post and cheating.
If detected post gets reported to mods.
Simple.
You have said it all, that AI rules should be under or considered as plagiarism, And many persons I have come across their cases concerning AI has been treating same way as plagiarised post is been treated..I have not seen any value why someone will put in quote of what it extracted with AI and post in the forum, since the post will look as low value post, i don't think it's needful, the only thing is that anyone that's been caught with AI post should face the consequences by the mods [ban he/her acct] and i think that will limit the rate of using artificial intelligent for forum, if many accts is been brought down, people will desist  using AI.

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Today at 08:19:00 PM
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Yes, yes, a thousand times YES.

Members using AI to make posts should be permabanned just like they would if they plagiarized something.  And I know there are tools to detect AI usage, but I don't know how to use them and frankly I don't have the patience to scrutinize every post I think was generated or assisted by AI.  OP's example is pretty convincing, but every time I see a Newbie or Jr. Member either creating threads or just making posts in impeccable English, all the alarm bells go off in my head because I know such a phenomenon was almost unheard of prior to idiots gaining access to AI tools.  In other words, most new members' first language isn't English (and it's probably not even in the top five) and hasn't been for years.

The reason I think the punishment should be so harsh is that if this shit isn't nipped in the bud, bitcointalk is going to turn into a forum consisting of bots talking nonsense to each other and will have a flood of threads with moronic topics in which the OP doesn't really say much of anything.

Actually, has anyone checked out the Economics section lately?  Armageddon might have already arrived.

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Today at 09:43:48 PM
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OP's example is pretty convincing, but every time I see a Newbie or Jr. Member either creating threads or just making posts in impeccable English, all the alarm bells go off in my head because I know such a phenomenon was almost unheard of prior to idiots gaining access to AI tools.  In other words, most new members' first language isn't English (and it's probably not even in the top five) and hasn't been for years.

That's the basic way to detect that a post has been generated through an AI model. You can't expect someone having broken English in their previous posts which they possibly wrote themselves to become a completely perfect English writer in their latter posts which makes you realize that there is something wrong. The AI uses perfect punctuation, sentence starters as I mentioned in the OP, and most importantly, perfect grammar. Even a native speaker might make mistakes sometimes but AI doesn't, and that makes it easy to detect unless someone edits the text after generating it but those who can't write a few sentences themselves would barely have enough brain to do this.

The reason I think the punishment should be so harsh is that if this shit isn't nipped in the bud, bitcointalk is going to turn into a forum consisting of bots talking nonsense to each other and will have a flood of threads with moronic topics in which the OP doesn't really say much of anything.

That's why I suggested there should be an official rule about it, and if there isn't and AI content falls under plagiarism, the culprits should get the same punishment as plagiarizers.

Actually, has anyone checked out the Economics section lately?  Armageddon might have already arrived.

I do, every day, but you know what? Discussion boards are worse than that. Bitcoin Discussion is still better, but Altcoin Discussion is so full of spam and spammers that if you report one post, two more are posted.

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Today at 10:13:44 PM
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That's different and shouldn't be punishable just as how you can provide reference with copied content and don't get punished for plagiarism.

It is the same as plagiarism since the one who posted it isn't the one who write it or who made it so it is possible to consider it as plagiarism although the data isn't taken from somewhere else so i'd say it is a partial plagiarism and not plagiarism at the same time. Since it is like that then it should just be considered as spam. Also, people would have to check it to see if it is AI generated or not at all. For punishment, I think restricting an account to post for a certain amount of time like unable to post for 1 day as an example.

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