Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck?

[Koadharber]

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

For slot players then pretty sure they had noticed it out but there's no way that we could be able to prove out that they've been rigging out those free spins to be shit. Actually we've been expecting too much or being positive with these spins on which if we do really be able to compare it out into buy bonus feature then we can be able to compare out the rate or chance or odds of hitting up somehow is really that noticeable. This is why im with you into this kind of sentiment on which we could really be able to observe it out on whats happening but just like been said that there's no way on proving it out
if it was intentional or really just that coincidence on what we are really that able to experience on.

[sunsilk]

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

You can't expect that the bonus spins will give better results than the normal spins that we get because it involves a buy-in.

I think we can apply the logic that we can't have the nicest things just for free. And this is why you're right that it is a trap made by the casino by providing free spins and maybe there's some algorithmic program on it that once that number of spins is made from the free spins, there will be some rewarding moment.

But other than that, you cannot hope for the best with free spins.

[Findingnemo]

I don't think they are not rigged in anyway, it's just a tactic from the slot providers to spin more than we wanted to do we will go with bonus packs instead of normal ones because that's how the common sense will analyse that situation. For some reason I want to stay out of bonus packs so I can't really speak about winning with free spins but I knew people won decent money with their free spins as well so I guess it's all just a coincidence.

[nara1892]

I think it is the same as you asking about which is better between free spins or normal spins regardless of whether you get the free spins by buying them or coming by itself, while however and until whenever as we know that gambling especially casino games are random based games, you will see that sometimes free spins are much better than normal spins or vice versa.

So I think you will never be able to find out about what is the difference between the two, the point is you will only get something that looks tempting and fun when luck comes at the right time regardless of whether it comes from free spins or normal spins.

[SmartGold01]

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

How did you think you would win something huge from free spins?
Just I wonder why you would have this mindset to focused your thinking about making free spins to gain something higher from it, while you and I know that almost or most of the casinos are designed to winning very less to participants and the winning radio could be 1/10 or 10/100 which is extremely poor.

[Juse14]

It must be remembered that slots use a Random Number Generator (RNG) to determine what will happen with each pull - whether it's a regular one or a special one. the results are, therefore, random and unforeseeable.

While the RNG is the basic determinant of all spins, the pay structure and odds on bonus features can be different from regular spins. There are some games created to give more multipliers or big wins in bonuses, but they could also be the opposite. Free games can really suck if you wait so long and then get a small prize, for the reason that the RNG still works similarly.

It could also be that the bonus buys are designed to tempt the player into taking it more often, but that does not make it always bad. The point is always to set expectations and manage your money properly. Just because something is free or a bonus buy does not ensure that it will be more profitable than a regular spin because, as ever, luck is involved.

[iv4n]

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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

I play slots a lot longer than you... and I have experience with almost all providers (good & bad). I had many big wins from normal spins, many like zillion, up to x200. And I experienced many under x10 bonus wins... a bunch of them under x5 and x0.

In the bonus round, the chances for us to win something big are pretty high... but only if we are lucky. As I wrote we can hit a bonus round and win almost nothing, or in the worst case nothing (x0). If we are lucky we will hit something huge, but that rarely happens.

and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards a

I don't wish to scare you, but 200 spins is nothing... even when x2 chances to hit a bonus round is activated. I experienced up to 400-500 spins without hitting a bonus round, and from some discussions, I found out that some people didn't hit a bonus round even after 600-700 spins.

Slots are tricky... many times I won a bonus round in the first 10 spins. The more you play them the more confused you will be, until you learn the truth that slots are all about luck. I like to test my luck with slots, and if I am lucky I know how generous they can be... but if we are unlucky we will just burn out any balance we have. One thing I always say is "if you are not ready to lose your balance don't play slots".

I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

One member of this forum is buying just "super spins"... he doesn't even bother to buy normal bonus spins. Those super spins are also super tricky, they are expensive as hell, but with them, the chances for some high multi are rising... I saw his bets, 4-5 super bonus gave nothing...but the next one gave a decent amount. So even those are all about luck, and you need to have a huge balance in order to endure all bad ones until you win something.

Bottom line... there's no bottom line about this matter except what I said, when someone decides to play slots he needs to be ready to lose the balance. If you are not ready to risk all you have don't bother to play. And when we play slots it's the maximum risk we can take.

[stomachgrowls]

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

How did you think you would win something huge from free spins?
Just I wonder why you would have this mindset to focused your thinking about making free spins to gain something higher from it, while you and I know that almost or most of the casinos are designed to winning very less to participants and the winning radio could be 1/10 or 10/100 which is extremely poor.

And that is why it would really be that important that you should really be having those realizations that free spins arent something that could give out that huge wins not unless if you are lucky then you could posisbly hit it up but of course the odds are really that small or really just that not easy to obtain. I do agree into some words above that there's no way that we could really be able to prove out that they are rigged or being
modify to make their gamblers be on continous on losing or having not to be able to get any wins out of those free spins.If this one turned out to be that proven then that would really be compromises their reputation
and this is something which they dont really make it too obvious but as a gambler then its normal that you would really be noticing out if there are really those conditions that you do seem that it isnt that right anymore.

[usekevin]

I thought, I was the only one who thought like that, when I got free spins most of the results were not comparable, but I realized that we only focus on the results we get which are not in accordance with the expectations we want, it's like our brains are washed when playing slots

The free spins are allowed by the gambling site for the promotion,but some say they won’t get any money from the free spins.But the fact is different,the gambling site spend some money for the free spins.They may do of less winning in the free spins,but their won’t be any no money concepts in the free spins.It was totally based on your luck in that particular day.The free spins can be multiple tonhuge number,So that the gamblers will make the average money in the free spins of the gambling site.

[LUCKMCFLY]

Let's start from the fact that the casino always wins, or rather, the house always wins, that's the correct saying, and knowing this, the slots are not going to put anything for you to lose, if they can win, get small balances to excite the players, but when real money is put in is when it is more exciting, I particularly like the free spins when I get them once depositing, but when it is a bonus or some kind of promotion you have to forget about getting big rewards, I would not encourage you to get excited about the free spins, it is better to play with your own money, depositing, is when you have more option to play.

[GreatArkansas]

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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

This kind of question is already posted here several times.
For me, this is difficult to answer, most of the answers you will see are pure speculation as these kinds of gambling platforms and third-party providers are not transparent or open-source code how they built these RNG formulas, especially on free spins you got.

[yahoo62278]

Slots in general are designed to slowly eat your balance. Go do some research and you'll probably find out that slots are how land based casinos keep the light on. Regarding online and your statement of sometimes it takes up to 200 spins to hit a bonus, I have been 500+ spins before hitting a bonus. Usually if I go 500 spins to hit a bonus I'll get another within 100 more spins.

[adzino]

Yeah the free spins are very rare and have a low chance of triggering. This is just one of the mechanism to keep people hooked with the games. After playing few spins, the player starts to think that he is now going to win a free spin the next round and that is how he keeps  on playing until the free spin is triggered. They are indeed hard to get because when you trigger them, they usually come with higher multipliers and better rewards. Sounds like you might have just been unlucky not hitting big wins during your free spins. And then those free spins usually have lower volatility. The volatility is higher when you buy the bonus round, so you could either win big or lose big faster. Buying the bonus doesn't guarantee better payouts and will end up losing quickly if you aren't luck. Slots wins are all random. It all depends on your luck. And yeah, make sure to play on slots with low RTP.

[junder]

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

In my opinion, slot gambling has indeed been arranged by someone who works behind it, I have also seen a podcast video where the guest they invited was either a casino worker or a casino owner, but what is clear is that he showed how it works, he gave a big multiplier, free spins to the podcast owner who was told to try it and this guest set it up using a laptop, and it was real that several spins that were done did not result in a win, but when this guest asked the camera to focus on his laptop by giving free spins and the multiplier, the final result obtained by the podcast owner was the same amount. This proves that the slot has indeed been arranged.
In addition, with free spins which in my opinion depend on luck alone, because I have experienced where it is indeed very difficult to get free spins but there are times when I get free spins very easily with uncertain results. And of course not all gamblers are the same, I myself prefer to wait for luck to be on my side by getting free spins or big multipliers, but some of my friends don't want to bother, they always do the buy free spins feature thinking that it is faster to win.
This depends on each individual, because luck can be on our side at any time, we just have to know reasonable limits so as not to overdo it.

[ethereumhunter]

Pragmatic Games is one of the hardest games that gives you free spins or big multiplier well, at least that is for me. I don't know how about the others but I rarely get big win or free spins. You need to buy Bonus to get free spin but you must be careful because doing that can make you forget to control yourself. You will tempting to chase the win by buying more and more though that will not gives you more chances to win.

You need to understand that slot is not easy to win because that games is based on luck. No matter how many spins you roll or buying Bonus but you don't have luck, you will not win even that will be difficult to reach break even. Every people will have their own way to win slot depends on their luck so it is better you enjoy the games so you don't worry with the win or the lose.

[Orpichukwu]

Let's start from the fact that the casino always wins, or rather, the house always wins, that's the correct saying, and knowing this, the slots are not going to put anything for you to lose, if they can win, get small balances to excite the players, but when real money is put in is when it is more exciting, I particularly like the free spins when I get them once depositing, but when it is a bonus or some kind of promotion you have to forget about getting big rewards, I would not encourage you to get excited about the free spins, it is better to play with your own money, depositing, is when you have more option to play.

It’s almost like the algorithm is hacked to always favor the house rather than being fair or giving the gambler a fair chance to actually try his luck and that I believe is the reason why it’s really difficult for people to win big with just some few lucky spins. Slot games are meant to be strictly based on luck and chances, a game where a gamblers come to test just how lucky he is, but I’m actually feeling there’s more a gambler needs than just luck and that’s why I’m really not a big fan of slot games, I can do a few spins sometimes when I feel like it, but I’d rather prefer to wager on games I know I’ve got bigger chances of winning, like soccer games and a few others.

[taufik123]

Slot games do provide greater profits and are easier for casinos. Seeing how the slot system works, it is a program that has indeed been arranged in such a way.
When the OP needs 200 spins to get the bonus, it will not be a fixed number and it also depends on how much bet is used.

Trying to play on the Domino High Island Slot with the free mode or bonuses that are given out every day, never get any jackpot.
But when buying some Chips and starting to place bigger bets, some bonus rounds and scatters can be easily obtained.

But of course, you won't always get the jackpot because the system is set up for bigger casino winnings, so players need to deposit more.

[Hirose UK]

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Game in the bonus round that is obtained after several normal rounds is actually an addition to these gamblers like kind of free spin bonus for new accounts in several slot games that are given to gambling site customers.
In the bonus round or free spin we will not really get decent win or multiplier because everything has been designed very well for victory can be much more likely if it is in normal round or bonus buy feature that clearly we bet money not free spins.
For each slot game will have different RNG especially for different providers also certainly each game has random algorithm that can never be the same, but we can not understand this because all the way it works only the provider knows.

[Wexnident]

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Pretty sure it's just that the ratio of freespins vs. spins you pay for is way too big? Hence why it looks like it sucks. If you try to tally it based on the number you gave out, it's 200 games per 1 free spin so assuming in those 200 games you won maybe at least 50, you'd probably need 4000? games before you can get that base 200, and out of that 200 you'd only win 50. If you won every game on a free spin you'd only need 1000, but just for the sake of it I totaled it to the base 200 games you indicated.

And no, afaik, they don't really have any difference. You'd have to see the backend side of things to really see if it actually has any.

[danherbias07]

Normally it's paying 100x for Pragmatic's buy bonus feature, with the super bonus feature at 500x. There is this one time wherein my 10 automatic spins resulted into 5 bonus games. Guess what, I stake $0.5 per spin and the largest I got from those 5 bonus games is only $7.9. That's something really disappointing but I guess that's how RNG works.

Ouch! Shit happens.
I really wish they would erase this kind of thing. It's more frustrating when you are near depleting the balance in your wallet and then somehow the bonus round comes in. The expectation will be high because we think it will be the one to get us back on track and maybe have more money in our balance to spin more. But if that came out at those moments, it's stressful that a gambler might punch his computer monitor out of anger. Thankfully, I have not done that yet and I only went for my table. 

Addition: Try playing slot providers without that feature. You will find it more amusing. I actually enjoyed them more than those with a buy bonus.

If there are good slots games with high RTP, I would perhaps give it a go. The main reason I play with Pragmatic is because they offer high RTP slots, and I sit for 2-3 hours in one session, and that 96.53% really helps in those 2-3 hours and around thousands of spins.

I have won in Pragmatic games too but I never played it for that long. I mostly get out after a 50% win. 100 becomes 150. Something like that. Their RTP is cool but they also have a losing streak that I sometimes cannot deal with. It's too stressful and when bonus time comes it's mostly not the expected amount.