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September 28, 2024, 07:54:27 PM
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From what I have already observed regards free spins, it really seems they have inferior winning chances when compared to regular spins. I watched a youtuber who progressed through the VIP program of a casino, so he received free spins on slots every day. However, the spins he received for "free" never rewarded him any considerable amounts of money. It was always nothing or few cents. Technically, he was totally unlucky, or the those spins were really configured to reward cheap prizes.

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

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September 28, 2024, 08:44:01 PM
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From what I have already observed regards free spins, it really seems they have inferior winning chances when compared to regular spins. I watched a youtuber who progressed through the VIP program of a casino, so he received free spins on slots every day. However, the spins he received for "free" never rewarded him any considerable amounts of money. It was always nothing or few cents. Technically, he was totally unlucky, or the those spins were really configured to reward cheap prizes.

That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...
We dont know if those things been adjusted or not but there's no way that we could really be able prove it out that it is really that being adjusted but it would really be that understandable that bonuses or free spins will really be having that lesser chance on hitting some good wins. This is why it would really be better that you shouldnt really be expecting too much or having that optimism that you could get something from it. Even into those regular spins on which you can really be able to make up some wins and this is something that you should really be that realizing into. The key on here is that you should really be that
enjoying the game rather than on minding too much about on how to win, because this one will really be causing up that much desperation.

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September 29, 2024, 02:55:16 AM
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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
It's hard to tell if there's a difference because they usually suck similar to how you'll slowly get dried with the regular spins. Even though they suck, my experience is completely the opposite, I mostly recall most of my good wins coming through these free spins so even if they're designed that way it's still a feature that i'd rather have compared to the traditional slot.

Also, there are slots with tougher conditions in triggering the free spins so the game mechanics could be a bigger factor in why it felt easier to win through the base game.

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September 29, 2024, 06:23:19 AM
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That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...
You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

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September 29, 2024, 06:49:30 AM
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Not that much, we can't feel online slot games sucking us badly while we're new register to the game. When you're playing it harder for longer terms, that's the time you'll feel so bad and think you've been tricked by their promotions and other ads online popping up.
That's not bad at all, we just need to take it for fun and not so serious to avoid frustrations because emotions was too hard to battle.
And also depending on plays it, slot games are indeed designed like that, many people experience losses due to playing slots for too long and hoping that each spin will give them an advantage, free games also do not always provide advantages, sometimes the results are also uncertain, so in my opinion, whether every free spin or normal spin, I think it is equally profitable for bookies, it's just that free spins are more interesting, even though in my opinion it's the same as playing it normally. That is why slot games are considered games of chance. If we expect too much luck, slots will be considered an annoying game.

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September 29, 2024, 06:59:26 AM
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I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

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September 29, 2024, 07:20:30 AM
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That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

But now, you have to dig deeply until finding this information...
You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.
Winning from free spins is difficult so we don't have high expectation to win. Those who saying they still prefer the free spins is because they have a good experience when using that and they can win some money. As we know that Pragmatic will not gives free spins too often and only for some people who can get it but not many people can hit a big multiplier while other people only hit a small multiplier. If they don't think about the outcome from free spins, that will be good so they don't have to keep playing slot to expect the next free spins because that will not always happen. But we should remember that slot game will depends on our luck so if we don't have luck, we will not win.

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September 29, 2024, 08:16:29 AM
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I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

I've won using free spins before but I still won't encourage anyone to depend on bonuses from casinos because most of the time the opposite happens, it is free bonuses, something you don't pay for, lower your expectations.

Free bonuses are a good way to bring in new people, to atleast have some experience about how the games feel like, they are not giving up free bonuses to make people win free money, this is similar to using demo account on a trading platform, it is all about the feel and the experience.

The less expectations from bonuses the better, the last time I won using bonus spins from slots was not expected, it just happened, although I have to meet up with the casino criteria to withdraw but that's it.

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That is why transparency is so important. But in order to achieve transparency from services, a more conscious and demanding userbase is necessary. Crypto was good when there were less adopters, but more conscious ones. I remember casinos here were constantly concerned about sharing with their customers the house edge percentage.

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You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.
For those who have enough money to satisfy their playing style, free spins are not in their view, they prefer to play games that offer higher value but obviously, their return rate does not meet their expectations while from a perspective of someone who wants to start from nothing, they prefer free games, where they don't need to have an initial amount of money to be able to earn money, they just need to work hard plus a little luck to get a small pocket money. And as you say, free games will be a way to encourage more exposure, just enough greed, a player can go from free spins to a more expensive spin

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September 29, 2024, 08:25:59 AM
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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
It's hard to tell if there's a difference because they usually suck similar to how you'll slowly get dried with the regular spins. Even though they suck, my experience is completely the opposite, I mostly recall most of my good wins coming through these free spins so even if they're designed that way it's still a feature that i'd rather have compared to the traditional slot.

That's my experience too but maybe that feeling is because the prizes you get in free spins are bigger than when you play regular spins, so what we remember are big prizes but because free spins are given to us infrequently, they are like an accumulated jackpot.

On the other hand, maybe if you pay for them like the OP and compare what you win vs what you're paying you'll see that it doesn't pay off.

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September 29, 2024, 08:33:11 AM
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A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

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I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it.
Nice way to put it. The word "free" or the notion of getting something for free, without doing anything in return makes it all the more tempting to try out - got nothing to lose - right? Wrong, because you can start losing yourself to the gambling greed.

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The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
Well if they were cunning they would cash that out and not come back. But I guess there are limitations of withdraws from free spins? In either case people go there to make money and they would have an appetite much bigger than $20-40 so they would keep playing.

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I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.
Slots randomly pull the reels into landing into something, therefore each reel result is random and previous reels do not influence the next one. So yeah its luck not the way you described it.

 
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Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?
I don't understand about RNG, but I think it will be the same between free spin and normal spin, because if you feel like you get more wins from normal spin then I feel the opposite, if in 100 normal spins it doesn't produce free spin then I can be sure that in the next spins I will only get a multiplier to increase the balance by a few percent before it will be completely drained, and also if I have generated enough profit from free spin it would be better to stop because often the next free spin is just a dead spin.
If many gamblers say that slots are just games that drain money I agree unless you are really lucky because I have also made quite a lot from slots, but lately it's just been a loss, but maybe because I played with a small capital, before I got the high multiplier, my balance had already run out.

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You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.
Yeah, the experience and the kind of feedback that will be given will be based on the gambler and the type of experience they have with each of them.
 
For some, there are those whom free spin has been able to favour more than when played with deposited money; sometimes I don't even think there is any level of unfairness in it, as the winning percentage can just be based on luck and not necessarily on whether it's free spin or not.

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This can make a big difference because anyone who gambles and understands gambling knows that free spins in online casinos are designed to entice gamblers to play the real game.
Oh yeah then there is this , you win using demo funds and when you try with real funds the game changes altogether and you can't explain what has changed as you run out of luck and lose.
I think there's a difference between the demo plays vs the free spins plays? Demo plays usually have skewed odds towards the player so that it can, as others have said, entice other people. Compare that to free spins, as I've said before, which seem to just have bad returns because of the difference in games between the free spins and the regular spins. Unless ofc stated by the casino otherwise. Highly doubt they have differences though.

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it.
Nice way to put it. The word "free" or the notion of getting something for free, without doing anything in return makes it all the more tempting to try out - got nothing to lose - right? Wrong, because you can start losing yourself to the gambling greed.
Hmm, I'd say it depends? Nothing wrong with not expecting anything in free spins. What you're saying is more aligned to people chasing free spins instead, which as you've said, leads to just greed. Like trying to "maximize" gambling.

 
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when free games or free spins are obtained, no one knows clearly what the results will be like, whether the amount of the bet is large or small, there is no clear certainty. When the results are not in accordance with what was previously thought, because I think everyone feels where when they get free spins or free games, what is in their mind is a big win or maxxwin, it's just that often the results are not in accordance and can be even worse, and honestly things like this are indeed a little annoying and annoying.

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The free games that are given in slot games are a strategy of a casino owner to get the attention of other gamblers. Of course, when a gambler tries to play a slot game and he enjoys it because it is free games, so when the free games run out, it can be a way for the gambler to deposit money in the casino so that he can play again at the casino where he experienced free games.

So if we look at it literally, the games are like bait to catch fish; that's what I see in the free games or free spins provided by a casino gambling platform for no other reason.

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September 29, 2024, 12:35:55 PM
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This is an exciting topic because learning how slot machines work could help you win more and increase your chances of winning.

https://www.casino.org/bonus/free-spins/

According to the website I searched above, There are different RNGs for free spins compared to bonus spins. It is definitely unpredictable, and it is harder to quantify it as well. I don’t think the developers would fully say it or something.

It is designed to let more money in than out.

It can be said that this is a developer trick to make players excited and curious, here the players are not aware of all that, actually we can see the frequency of winning if paid and free in the round, the developer does not want to lose
so for free spins 100: 1 to be able to win the round,

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September 29, 2024, 12:37:38 PM
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Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.
The answer is yes, free bets are really annoying and annoying, you are really annoyed by these free bets, indeed free slot bets are tempting, but you have to really follow all their rules to be successful, What's more, you spin the free bet in a slot game, in a matter of minutes you will get nothing but losses and the free balance will end up at zero.

To be honest i ignored the free bets for a long time, even though they were free piling up in my account, but i really don't want to use them anymore, I'm sure the free betting system is designed in such a way to attract users and in the end of the story it's all just a ploy you really never get it.

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September 29, 2024, 12:51:22 PM
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I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

I've won using free spins before but I still won't encourage anyone to depend on bonuses from casinos because most of the time the opposite happens, it is free bonuses, something you don't pay for, lower your expectations.

Free bonuses are a good way to bring in new people, to atleast have some experience about how the games feel like, they are not giving up free bonuses to make people win free money, this is similar to using demo account on a trading platform, it is all about the feel and the experience.

The less expectations from bonuses the better, the last time I won using bonus spins from slots was not expected, it just happened, although I have to meet up with the casino criteria to withdraw but that's it.

Odds on winning would be less but it doesnt mean that people would be losing up completely without having any chances on winning. If it does then they would really be having that tons of complaints
in regarding to that. We do know that there would really be those individuals who would really be that too sensitive when it comes to odds on which if they do find out that it is really that not that fair
then it will really be normal that it would really be getting those kind of reactions that there's something wrong on the odds about it. Despite of people or gamblers knowing that they are on disadvantage
but still it will really be that impossible that they wont really be having any words in regarding into this one.

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