Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck?

[michellee]

You can have as any free spins as given but the percentage of you making a whole lot of buck for them is low. I don't know but I've read some users saying they still prefer the free spins to the normal slot games. I can't tell why or argue because everyone with different experiences and luck probably they got lucky and won some reasonable amount a couple of times. The truth is that the free spins still is just a way to intensify the players. There no guarantee you will be getting some good wins from them.

Yeah, the experience and the kind of feedback that will be given will be based on the gambler and the type of experience they have with each of them.
 
For some, there are those whom free spin has been able to favour more than when played with deposited money; sometimes I don't even think there is any level of unfairness in it, as the winning percentage can just be based on luck and not necessarily on whether it's free spin or not.

That is clearly different because they play various slot games which will not be the same. Besides that, the luck factor is also different between each gambler so the result will be different. But winning in free spins is something that we want although that will not easy as we imagine.

We must think about the luck when playing slot game because we never know when our luck comes and we can only continue playing. If we decide to continue roll the button without thinks to limit the money because if not do that, we can spends too much money but we don't have a big percentage to win. That will be a problem if we spends too much money without limits.

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

[iv4n]

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

Same here... If I wish to play some slot I will play it. If someone doubts fairness shouldn't play slots at all. RTP can be low or high, but that's the last thing I look at when I am searching for a slot to play... in my experience, it doesn't really matter, I lost & won a bunch of money on both. If we are lucky we will win, if it's a bad day even the slots with the highest possible RTP will eat our balance.

So you are totally right, slots are all about luck... and if we decide to spend some money playing slots we should enjoy it every second. If we bother with some technicalities it will just ruin the experience. We should enjoy playing with the money we can afford to lose... and if we lose the money we can hope for more luck next time, and if we win it will be like a cherry on the top. Sadly we can't taste that cherry often, but when it happens it's a great feeling.

[Peanutswar]

AFAIK the bonus spins are different from the current bet of the game, if you make a bonus spins come from deposit or reward it does not make the same with your current bet, instead it seems just the lowest bet reason why it has a small reward. Now on the buy bonus spins its different of course the designated amount you buy bonus are just a head start to have a spins now this are program not quite sure if its a system generated or there's a specific chance or percentage to shows a good amount of combo. This is the feature casino offering to have the high risk reward if you will make a casual spin and wait for the bonus spin or make a headstart spin for fast chance but an expensive one.

[Coin_trader]

AFAIK the bonus spins are different from the current bet of the game, if you make a bonus spins come from deposit or reward it does not make the same with your current bet, instead it seems just the lowest bet reason why it has a small reward. Now on the buy bonus spins its different of course the designated amount you buy bonus are just a head start to have a spins now this are program not quite sure if its a system generated or there's a specific chance or percentage to shows a good amount of combo. This is the feature casino offering to have the high risk reward if you will make a casual spin and wait for the bonus spin or make a headstart spin for fast chance but an expensive one.

The free spin you are describing is the one came from the promotion of the casino which is the literal free spin while the free spin in subject here are the one that can get if you hit the required number of scatter or buying the bonus buy feature of the slot games.

I think he is comparing the difficulty to get the free spin through the use of manual spin and get scatter symbol. I rarely do manual spin since it’s time consuming and at the same time makes my patience short so I always choose bonus buy which I consider as lump sum of manual spin just hit scatter.

[ajiz138]

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

[bakasabo]

Would be good if OP would describe what «shit rewards» really are. From my experience, free games or free spins in slots were limited with amount of lines, as well they were minimum available bets. So playing 20 cents per bet with 1-line or a bit more lines spin, it is technically impossible to get a big win. The maximum that I have got from such free spins were $1-5 per spin, and such wins were really rare. On the other hand, hoping to get «not shit reward» or something large from free spins is wrong. Free spins, games, or anything that is free in gambling isnt supposed to give large rewards.

[Pandu Geddon]

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

However, the Slot game will always rely on luck. whether it's free spins or buying bonuses, no one can prove fair or not. fair maybe if the player gets some wins. It's unfair to the player who loses. I think that feeling will continue to exist.
If you feel there is injustice in the slot game. then you just need to find another game. if the problem is the free spins that seems unfair. then there is no need to do it.

[rahmad2nd]

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For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Regarding slot games, I don't really go into or find out to dig up a lot of information, especially those related to knowledge. There may be many things that I don't know, but basically this type of game is purely based on luck. As for RTP, sometimes it doesn't affect us even though it is showing a good green line. But maybe, for gamblers who are lucky they get something fun. Likewise with RNG, we don't even have or know a certain formula related to it. What I know is playing the game that I want to play, which is most often a game from PragmaticPlay. To be honest, I am the type of player who rarely buys the free spin feature. Because for me, the challenge is getting free spins. Regarding the reward, of course it cannot be ascertained. Likewise with buying with the bonus option. I speak from experience, sometimes playing slots requires much more patience. Not infrequently, from the free spins I get good hits and get quite a lot of rewards. For me, slot games are more about uncertainty than betting or other types of games. But when you are in lucky mode, you can get a jackpot or we usually call it maxwin.

[$weetne$$]

I think that's why it is called "free" spins, because you will nothing really much from it. The purpose of that bonuses is to encourage players to play more. Though, I knew some people who won using those free rolls, ranging from $20-$40, but then again, it's not that much really because eventually, that winning amount will get drained.
I'm not really a huge fan of slot games, because your luck depends on how many players have been playing at the same time lol. If a lot of people are winning during the time you're gambling, then your chances of lossing is greater. That's just my theory.

It does not work that way because the wins are not programmed to favour you when there are many people playing or not. The algorithm is just random and at time nobody knows what the winning numbers are. Slots game are based on luck only and we should not be expecting too much from the free or bonus games. They are free and not designed for you to win big from them. These games are supposed to motivate you to continue playing by giving you small wins that makes you to think that you can win more when you wager your own money and that is how the casino make money from you because you start losing when you start staking real money. Free games are like test games and they are not the real deal. It is like when you use demo account for trading and then try using live account, the difference are always clear.

[Dewi Aries]

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

However, the Slot game will always rely on luck. whether it's free spins or buying bonuses, no one can prove fair or not. fair maybe if the player gets some wins. It's unfair to the player who loses. I think that feeling will continue to exist.
If you feel there is injustice in the slot game. then you just need to find another game. if the problem is the free spins that seems unfair. then there is no need to do it.

Right, the point is as you said my friend that if we talk about the type of casino game then it will always depend on how lucky we are when running the session, no matter how you play, how often you play, how much capital you bring to play and also whatever scenario you experience when playing the type of game you choose, and also other things yes we really can't prove whether the game is proven fair or not, we won't be able to do anything to find evidence of it.

Therefore, this is the importance of understanding and knowing about the actual risks of the type of casino game, because when you understand and know that everything runs randomly then you shouldn't think that the game is unfair to you, and I think it's very simple that when the results of the free spins or hundreds of normal spins that run are not as you expected then that means you are unlucky.

[Wakate]

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

I have never seen a free spin making a gambler to get fortunate with huge winnings. Many gamblers I have seen making money from spinning, are mostly their staked money and not from free spin. I think the free spin could have it own different algorithms that will make it very hard for gamblers to make reasonable amount of money from spinning. And also their are terms and conditions for free spin and you can not win up to a certain figure, that's in case if you are very lucky to win higher than the expected amount of money. Free spins can be worth trying but we should not be too excited about it because you can not win more than the way the game algorithm has programmed it.

[tread93]

Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear.

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

[michellee]

I never think about RNG, fairness, or even luck because that will prevents me from enjoying the game.

Same here... If I wish to play some slot I will play it. If someone doubts fairness shouldn't play slots at all. RTP can be low or high, but that's the last thing I look at when I am searching for a slot to play... in my experience, it doesn't really matter, I lost & won a bunch of money on both. If we are lucky we will win, if it's a bad day even the slots with the highest possible RTP will eat our balance.

So you are totally right, slots are all about luck... and if we decide to spend some money playing slots we should enjoy it every second. If we bother with some technicalities it will just ruin the experience. We should enjoy playing with the money we can afford to lose... and if we lose the money we can hope for more luck next time, and if we win it will be like a cherry on the top. Sadly we can't taste that cherry often, but when it happens it's a great feeling.

And remember if you feels something wrong happen to you, you can stop and leave the game before that wrong thing really happen and make you lose the money. We deserve to play in any slot game and stop it immediately because we are in charge with our money and we don't want to lose huge money. That is why we don't have to think about other things that is not needed because that can disturb our focus to playing slot game.

We just let our luck comes to us and help to wins the money. If we don't wins at that time, we have the other days to returns to casino and play the other slot games. What we needs to do is just enjoy the experience and have fun when playing the game so we can fills our free time by relax with the slot game.

[danherbias07]

Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear.

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

So easy for them to change everything once they see many gamblers winning especially if it's just a free bet. They don't want that happening so they will have to adjust.
Just recently, I have been winning in one slot provider (not going to mention the name) which can be played in our local gambling site application and I was shocked that after the certain slot provider finished their maintenance, I cannot win a damn thing anymore. Most were just playing tag with it or losing all my balance so I deposited one more time and tried again until all my profits were taken back from me with no single resistance.
I mean I could understand that I will lose it all, but that fast is just too shocking for me and I bet the gambling site is the one behind it as they maybe saw how much players are winning in that provider.

[Dewi Aries]

Well indirectly this is also something I question my friend, thank you for opening the topic, I am also one of the gamblers who favor casino games like slots and lately I feel that when I manage to get a bonus round (without buying) I see the rounds in it are really very bad, this happens in the long term like the last few months which is added again it is really difficult to get the free spins if you don't buy them, I have completed hundreds of rounds and even though the balance in my account has run out I still haven't managed to get the free spins.

This is really annoying, I don't know about whether most casinos are now changing the mechanism in each game to make it harder to win or what, because previously what I thought was maybe because I was really far from luck, this situation really makes it difficult for me to win, even in small amounts, and indirectly this situation also makes my interest in gambling disappear.

I could see it being really easy and convenient to change an online gambling websites coding to favor the casino. I could imagine free spins winning some small rigged bets to lure you in but once you’re hooked boom a change in the algorithm. Now nothing is for certain and I’m not saying that happens but how hard is it really for a fully online casino to make the odds a bit more in their favor??

Yes, maybe that's the mechanism or scenario that the casino does in changing the game algorithm by luring gamblers by showing some small wins and after gamblers start to be tempted to bet more impulsively, that's where the casino will turn things around to make it harder to win. But even though I feel that now the game is really hard to win, thousands of spins are going very badly, along with the spins I get from the free spins bonus, but I never think or research what really happened.

Because I think it's useless for me to look for various information related to what really happened so that the game runs so badly, I just think that maybe luck is really far from me, along with reducing my involvement in gambling.

[Negotiation]

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

Agreed, it's hard to give an exact guarantee of winning with freespins they depend on luck. Many times it is seen that many benefits are derived from free spin based bonuses, so that players are able to improve their scores and winnings, which leads to better spins which ultimately generate coins for use after the game. Whenever the client wants to finalize their session and withdraw the momentarily earned winnings they must be bound by the frequently displayed terms and conditions thereby minimizing the risk.

[o48o]

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

Aren't those counted as part of the same RNG formula? At least that's only way it would make sense.

But i am not sure what you mean, bonus (or free) games that i've played have definitely gave most profits during my gambling, but that's why if you want to buy them as separate game, they cost more. Otherwise everyone would just play those. Winnings and winning changes are technically relative to the money you spend. That result of relativity however won't probably show in normal casual gaming.

I never buy them, because even if ratio for winning would be more or less the same, it doesn't include the slim change of getting that $160 worth of free spins with one $2 bet.

[AmoreJaz]

It does not work that way because the wins are not programmed to favour you when there are many people playing or not. The algorithm is just random and at time nobody knows what the winning numbers are. Slots game are based on luck only and we should not be expecting too much from the free or bonus games. They are free and not designed for you to win big from them. These games are supposed to motivate you to continue playing by giving you small wins that makes you to think that you can win more when you wager your own money and that is how the casino make money from you because you start losing when you start staking real money. Free games are like test games and they are not the real deal. It is like when you use demo account for trading and then try using live account, the difference are always clear.

Always remember, at the end of the day, there's always house edge for a reason. So even if they offer some free rolls, in the long run, the house will always have the profit from their end. Of course, there are some winners but they won't be on the negative after the end of their promo run. Just like free games, definitely, they will be offering some good winnings but they won't go to the extent of bankruptcy.

Most casino games have the attraction that every player can get addicted of. Now, it is on the player how he will contain himself whenever he is in front of his game. Otherwise, he can easily become the slave of this activity and lose himself in the process.

[Jody.Drummer]

A free spin is just the same as a regular sping if we look at it from the frontend but we never know what's the logic in the backend.
We can never tell if they are really designed to give us poor rewards or is it just our bad luck every time unless the spin is provably fair.

Freespins are just like buying bonuses then this is a little different because there is a multiplier that can be increased while spins are normal but we never know that sometimes the win is good, sometimes bad.
I will still assume that if the freespin results are bad then this fate is unlucky, never think whether it is fair or not this cannot be proven.

In fact, I think the results are often bad and that's what sometimes makes us upset or annoying, but that's not something that really needs to be a problem because it's natural for the results to end up being less profitable. Players should be able to accept the results that occur even though they are annoying, there are many cases where emotions peak when the results make us upset and this is where we are wrong where we can't control ourselves with the results that occur, as much as possible we must be able to control ourselves with the circumstances that occur the goal is to keep things okay. If the results are bad, it's not because it's unfair but it's natural, as you said, it's not just a matter of luck. Because gambling does involve luck, if it's time to be lucky, victory will occur even though we didn't expect it before that it would result in a profitable victory.

[Sandra_hakeem]

You can’t win every time. I’ve always been impressed with how easily it seems that I’m able to win free bonus spins on games. Granted I’ve never hit a big payday, but it’s exciting nonetheless. I guess you just have to have appropriate expectations and understand you’re paying for entertainment. You obvious aren’t likely to win more than you lose.

If this is the case, then we're all faking it by trying to convince ourselves -- or someone else around us that we're only into this for the outcome.
Some don't even see it as a form of entertainment; that's where the unnecessary pressure and eagerness sets in... The more you wager, the less possible it becomes to secure a single win.

What's even more pathetic is that people don't still wanna acknowledge the fact that they can't win unless it's just one of their lucky days - what's this professionalism y'all speak of then? The percentage of gamblers that  hit the big wins is the minority amongst the total population of gamblers worldwide so, who's losing more?