Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck?

[wiss19]

Though I'm not an expert on things such as RNGs and other stuff, I have always wondered about the same thing. I have observed that when we get free spins from normal spins, we tend to get nothing most of the time, whereas if we buy bonus features, we tend to get better rewards. I have always thought that there must be something behind this, and I also believe that there must be a difference in generating the outcome of the two games in the back-end.

The algorithms must be programmed in a way that they shouldn't reward much when someone wins free spins from normal games but they should get better rewards when they buy spins with money so that they keep buying more bonus features. We know we can't beat the house, but greed is something that makes us do such things all the time.

[junder]

I agree with this, regarding slot gambling which is very dependent on luck, therefore the free spins given by the casino are one of the advantages for players in their luck factor, it is very rare for anyone to get a big win even though they have received repeated free spins and that is natural because luck will not come at all times, we just have to maintain our own limits so as not to do it excessively which can cause us big problems.
Someone who cannot accept the results of the free spins is disappointing, they will most likely chase victory by betting again and again or maybe doing the buy spin feature continuously, but that does not guarantee that they can win. The opportunity to win is there but you don't know when it will happen, the free spins you get are not a benchmark for players to get a profitable win, because if you are lucky, even without getting free spins, you can get a profitable win.

I will tell you a little about free spins and also the buy free spin feature. Several times I was the one who spammed buy free spins, and do you know what happened? yes on one occasion from all the buy free spins that I did there was no return at all.  
This is an experience that we can take that whatever as long as we are not lucky we will not get a win, even though we try several times. The problem is when I play I immediately buy the feature and until my balance is not enough to buy the available feature. Even when I get free spins repeatedly there is no big win.
Yes, indeed in gambling it will return to the luck that we experience when playing.

I agree with what you said, indeed, big wins are based on luck alone that will determine it. In addition, we have our own way of gambling, whether it's buying the buy spin feature or waiting by doing a manual spin. I myself sometimes do it manually, but occasionally when I'm feeling confident I buy the buy spin feature just to try my luck, but the results are not far from disappointing. As far as I can remember, with the buy spin feature that I did, there has never been anything that really satisfied me with the results, I once got a big multiplier and a fairly big win for me, even though it was obtained from free spins that were obtained accidentally because I played manually. I have my own habits where when I am going to gamble, I confidently play a game that doesn't have a buy spin feature, but when the balance starts to run low, I limit it to the number of spin purchases and when the balance reaches the minimum buy spin, I switch games to immediately buy the spin feature. The results are unpredictable, what's not strange is just defeat hahaha

[Jody.Drummer]

Although free spins is the advantages for players, they must thinks that free spins is just an attraction to them to continue playing gambling and spends more money. If they knows for that, they will not trying to continue after the free spins is end and they will leave the casino without think to try for more.
It is normal if we feel disappointing when we can not win from free spins but that doesn't mean we can continue our gambling activity and chase the winning because that can make us to lose more. We must remember that free spins is not always gives the money so we should treat as part of have fun.
We can win someday so we don't have to playing slot too hard and use more and more money because we realize that slot game will depend on luck.

Maybe it only applies to people who have a good mindset, because with a good mindset they will not think that gambling can give them certain benefits, so when the free spins they get end up disappointing them, they will understand it because they know there is no clear certainty that they can win in slot gambling in any way. Even though they use a relatively large bet amount, they will realize that luck cannot be determined by that. For people who have a mindset that they can benefit from gambling, they can be more interested in gambling when they almost win, for example by getting free spins and getting a big multiplier but the end result is a defeat, then they will think about betting again because they feel a little more they will win, and what happens is they chase victory while victory in slot gambling is uncertain.

[Ultegra134]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

[traderethereum]

Maybe it only applies to people who have a good mindset, because with a good mindset they will not think that gambling can give them certain benefits, so when the free spins they get end up disappointing them, they will understand it because they know there is no clear certainty that they can win in slot gambling in any way. Even though they use a relatively large bet amount, they will realize that luck cannot be determined by that. For people who have a mindset that they can benefit from gambling, they can be more interested in gambling when they almost win, for example by getting free spins and getting a big multiplier but the end result is a defeat, then they will think about betting again because they feel a little more they will win, and what happens is they chase victory while victory in slot gambling is uncertain.

That is why we must build understanding that gambling can not gives benefits to them and only for have fun in our free time. By realizing that, we will not feels disappointed when we can not win in slot game.
Even if we gets a free spins, we will not complaint if we lose because slot game rely on the luck and no clear uncertainty. We can only enjoy the gift from the casino or by buying the bonus buy and not have a big expectation that when we buy the bonus, that will help us to win.
If they think that buy the bonus will give them a big chance to win, they should be prepare not to get anything or win small amount because the chance will not too big. Winning in slot game will still difficult because that game need luck to win.

[Dave1]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

And even in land based wherein you will be given a free spin, it didn't yield anything and I haven't seen anyone winning from that free spin. Or even if you used the points in your card to play, somewhat they could detect that they are using your points and maybe it was rigged or the algorithm or RNG has chance.

Anyhow, this could just a way to attract when we initially deposit on casinos and so we are very much attractive to it and continue to play and hope that the free games might give us something. I'm not going to generalized, but maybe majority has the same sentiments as well the free games really suck.

[EarnOnVictor]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

I align with you here and you explained it better than the OP. This is not about the first bonus, subsequent ones or the ones attached to a certain game progress, it is all about paying (consequence) for the casino games. It will always be tricky and will not yield as expected. All casino games, be it Slot games or not, are working similarly in terms of the result and the experience of the players, the more we admit that, the more we will face the reality and they will not bother us much.

As I said in a similar topic reply, all these are luck-based games, they are not designed for us to make anything good out of them, until that lucky moment comes, let us keep trying but not trust anything.

[Ultegra134]

And even in land based wherein you will be given a free spin, it didn't yield anything and I haven't seen anyone winning from that free spin. Or even if you used the points in your card to play, somewhat they could detect that they are using your points and maybe it was rigged or the algorithm or RNG has chance.

Anyhow, this could just a way to attract when we initially deposit on casinos and so we are very much attractive to it and continue to play and hope that the free games might give us something. I'm not going to generalized, but maybe majority has the same sentiments as well the free games really suck.

On the one hand, it pisses you off, and you'll call their free spins rigged, but generally, it's best not to jump to conclusions or make assumptions on something we don't have evidence for. As I mentioned earlier, it makes perfect sense why it's not reasonable to expect major returns (or any) from something that's provided free, or as a bonus; it's a trick they use to lure you into betting or depositing more to keep you motivated to spend. In the best scenario, you'll make a few bucks and be proud of yourself, but in reality, you've just fallen into their trap; it was all a part of their plan.

I align with you here and you explained it better than the OP. This is not about the first bonus, subsequent ones or the ones attached to a certain game progress, it is all about paying (consequence) for the casino games. It will always be tricky and will not yield as expected. All casino games, be it Slot games or not, are working similarly in terms of the result and the experience of the players, the more we admit that, the more we will face the reality and they will not bother us much.

As I said in a similar topic reply, all these are luck-based games, they are not designed for us to make anything good out of them, until that lucky moment comes, let us keep trying but not trust anything.

That's my point, having major expectations from luck-based games usually isn't going to have the outcome we'd anticipate, let alone from bonuses such as free spins.

[summonerrk]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

I think you just weren't very lucky with this. In the past, I often played poker and was given bonus free spins. And I want to say that in the beginning, I also constantly couldn't win anything. Time after time, I spun the roulette and slots and the result was always the same - nothing. But one time I got mad and decided to play 1/35 or something like that, I don't remember what it's called, so I won and on my ten dollar bet won almost 350 (of course, there was a casino commission). And they allowed me to withdraw this money.

[Gheka]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

And even in land based wherein you will be given a free spin, it didn't yield anything and I haven't seen anyone winning from that free spin. Or even if you used the points in your card to play, somewhat they could detect that they are using your points and maybe it was rigged or the algorithm or RNG has chance.

Anyhow, this could just a way to attract when we initially deposit on casinos and so we are very much attractive to it and continue to play and hope that the free games might give us something. I'm not going to generalized, but maybe majority has the same sentiments as well the free games really suck.

The lucky spin is just an idea that leans towards advertising, instead of the quiet space that evacuates attention and makes others ignore the appeal of gambling, the free spin allows the surrounding space to be more lively, as long as there is noise and something attractive, a normal person is also willing to be curious to look at it, just such a glance, the advertising level has been successful. And honestly, this spin will always be bad for someone who demands high results, it is just an appetizer to open the senses and passion for gambling

[mirakal]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

I think you just weren't very lucky with this. In the past, I often played poker and was given bonus free spins. And I want to say that in the beginning, I also constantly couldn't win anything. Time after time, I spun the roulette and slots and the result was always the same - nothing. But one time I got mad and decided to play 1/35 or something like that, I don't remember what it's called, so I won and on my ten dollar bet won almost 350 (of course, there was a casino commission). And they allowed me to withdraw this money.

When it comes to gambling, it's all about luck. Some people claim they've hit it big with free spins, while others haven’t had the same fortune—proving that not every gambler gets lucky. And to accept the fact that many win only after facing multiple losses, and that’s just the way the game goes.

Besides, no amount of effort or studying can change the outcome. So, if we get a winning opportunity, we stop thinking of having more because, chances are, the losses will start piling up after that. That is why we don’t hesitate—cash out while we can! 

[Peanutswar]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

In deposit bonus spins it seems do not give you large gains because imagine they are offering a hundred of spins and of course, the value of it is like the minimum bet as you keep observing on it, now on the buy bonus they are just offering you a head start multiplier if you hit which can give a good gains too but if not of course there's no assurance that once you bought it already you will win, sometimes takes a lot of chills and deadspins before you hit a return money back or else considered as lose. Its better to have free spins than never this added to give spices to the game.

[Lanatsa]

I can't say for sure, but I'm feeling the same way, OP. Every time I've received bonus spins or anything else, whether that was from a deposit, during signup, or given away at random intervals, they all yielded no returns. I'm not sure if it's a simple coincidence, but it's something I've noticed myself. I understand it's frustrating, but I'm thinking, on the one hand, that nothing is provided free of charge, and it makes sense to not expect any major earnings from a few free spins you were given, but on the other hand, what's the point of "treating" you with a gift that has zero effects?

And even in land based wherein you will be given a free spin, it didn't yield anything and I haven't seen anyone winning from that free spin. Or even if you used the points in your card to play, somewhat they could detect that they are using your points and maybe it was rigged or the algorithm or RNG has chance.

Anyhow, this could just a way to attract when we initially deposit on casinos and so we are very much attractive to it and continue to play and hope that the free games might give us something. I'm not going to generalized, but maybe majority has the same sentiments as well the free games really suck.

The lucky spin is just an idea that leans towards advertising, instead of the quiet space that evacuates attention and makes others ignore the appeal of gambling, the free spin allows the surrounding space to be more lively, as long as there is noise and something attractive, a normal person is also willing to be curious to look at it, just such a glance, the advertising level has been successful. And honestly, this spin will always be bad for someone who demands high results, it is just an appetizer to open the senses and passion for gambling

Make it lively as much as possible and as this kind of business then this would really be that wants to be sparkly as possible and this is where they would really be focusing into.
Using up some free spins or whatever bonuses that they will really be having then its normal that they will offering it out because they will really be trying out to hook up people as much as possible.
So it would really be that understandable that or something that will really be common sense that they would really be that advantage and as a gambler then you should really be that wary for that
then when it comes to this manner. It will really be that just depending on you as a gambler and as long we are really that talking about having some fun then this is something which is really that important

Free games? Cant be considered as a gambling because if we do speak about gambling then its something that  you would really be needing up to risks. You do risks up money to earn something.
If its free then its not something you can called gambling. So it will really be that depending on you whether you would really be getting serious because this is where people do get trapped
and ending up on becoming addicted.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

I have always wondered about the same thing. I have observed that when we get free spins from normal spins, we tend to get nothing most of the time, whereas if we buy bonus features, we tend to get better rewards. I have always thought that there must be something behind this, and I also believe that there must be a difference in generating the outcome of the two games in the back-end.

Most people always think that there's something behind such performance for every free spin and not only on free spins but even most times while wagering some money. The truth is that we can not even know when the casino is cheating us and when they are not. Only few people on the forum that I see making positive comment about free spin and bonus.

[Ultegra134]

In deposit bonus spins it seems do not give you large gains because imagine they are offering a hundred of spins and of course, the value of it is like the minimum bet as you keep observing on it, now on the buy bonus they are just offering you a head start multiplier if you hit which can give a good gains too but if not of course there's no assurance that once you bought it already you will win, sometimes takes a lot of chills and deadspins before you hit a return money back or else considered as lose. Its better to have free spins than never this added to give spices to the game.

It's logical, everyone is forced to deposit on the casino, how else are you going to participate? Looking at it from this point of view, it's perfectly sensible for deposit bonuses to suck. Offering a major bonus on every single deposit isn't feasible and it would quickly result in the casino going bankrupt. They don't have to offer you something, but it's nice to receive a free spins just for the sake of the entertainment, even if you receive nothing in return. A domestic casino was providing free spins, no strings attached, with signup, out of 20 or 30 spins, I yielded the great returns of $0.50, which perhaps I could bet on another game and win. Who knows?

[Miles2006]

I guess op is pointing out a good reason about free spins although I hardly engage in free spins, it’s obvious you can’t win huge or else it must be attached with a deposit money. It’s more like a free win or lose you never paid for so you accept whatever amount in return, It also depends on the game type since we don’t get to win huge with our money talk more of bonus winning. I can’t totally agree with this opinion because I hardly measure my wins aside that I think the casino don’t add much when dealing with bonus.

[khiholangkang]

I guess op is pointing out a good reason about free spins although I hardly engage in free spins, it’s obvious you can’t win huge or else it must be attached with a deposit money. It’s more like a free win or lose you never paid for so you accept whatever amount in return, It also depends on the game type since we don’t get to win huge with our money talk more of bonus winning. I can’t totally agree with this opinion because I hardly measure my wins aside that I think the casino don’t add much when dealing with bonus.

I am a little confused by your statement, but what the OP said can mean two things, first like what you mentioned and secondly the bonus rounds that we get from several rounds which of course use deposit money to start and get freespins, but if you look at it from your point of view it does make this actually require god-level luck if playing gambling only relies on bonuses from certain events to get free spins.

[nara1892]

In deposit bonus spins it seems do not give you large gains because imagine they are offering a hundred of spins and of course, the value of it is like the minimum bet as you keep observing on it, now on the buy bonus they are just offering you a head start multiplier if you hit which can give a good gains too but if not of course there's no assurance that once you bought it already you will win, sometimes takes a lot of chills and deadspins before you hit a return money back or else considered as lose. Its better to have free spins than never this added to give spices to the game.

It's logical, everyone is forced to deposit on the casino, how else are you going to participate? Looking at it from this point of view, it's perfectly sensible for deposit bonuses to suck. Offering a major bonus on every single deposit isn't feasible and it would quickly result in the casino going bankrupt. They don't have to offer you something, but it's nice to receive a free spins just for the sake of the entertainment, even if you receive nothing in return. A domestic casino was providing free spins, no strings attached, with signup, out of 20 or 30 spins, I yielded the great returns of $0.50, which perhaps I could bet on another game and win. Who knows?

Yup of course, I think we have to go back to an understanding related to the fact that for casino bookies gambling is a business, on the other hand it is not uncommon for me to find some casinos that provide a few percent bonus when a gambler makes a deposit, but usually the percentage is quite small, and the reason is clear as you said that it is impossible for a casino to give a big bonus while as I said that their goal in making gambling is to make a profit. Bonuses are something we often want in any form, and maybe the casino diverts the bonus to a free spin opportunity, or the intention is to provide an opportunity for every gambler to get free spins without having to spend the amount of money in their balance which is usually no more than 15 spins on each occasion, and one thing that is a big mistake if a gambler puts high hopes on the results of the free spin.

[irsykes]

I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.

there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money

I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.

not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled

[swogerino]

I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.

there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money

I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.

not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled

Good for you that are able to control yourself when playing slots. Maybe you have not hit a big win in them which would directly make you a really passionate person about them and many other slot players who continue playing slots up to now have definitely hit a huge win me included. The problem is that the slot machines give that huge win once in some years and they eat your money really fast most of the time. That is why I don't suggest you keep playing slots, they are not for most of us, they will rob us of our money most of the time and makes us feel really bad. It is good to play sport bets as I am converting to them slow slow and I see more potential here, less time consuming bets and definitely very hard to get addicted to compared to slots.

As for the bonus games they are designed to suck most of the times and this is definitely not going to change.