Are free games in online slot games designed to really suck?

[Fortify]

Hi fellow degens. This has always been in my mind for the past couple of months and I can't get a definitive answer to satisfy my curiosity.

I have been playing online slot games for a few years now, mostly from Pragmatic Games and Evolution. One thing I noticed is that they rarely give out free games (if you're not going to use the buy bonus feature), and sometimes it may take you up to 200 spins before you get a free game which will only give shit rewards after all the spins are exhausted. This got me thinking, are those free games/spins really designed to be shit compared to the normal spin feature which, surprisingly, gives me decent profit during my sessions? If it is, then I think using the buy bonus feature is a trap to lure people into losing their money faster to the casino.

For a while, I thought the free games feature is better considering that multipliers are added to the factoring of wins at the end of each spin, but on my observation, I am getting wins in a high RTP game with normal spins rather than the bonus games feature.

Can someone here who knows these things too well enlighten me if there's a difference between spins in a normal game and spins in a bonus game? Does each have their different RNG formulas?

In my experience it can really vary between gambling sites - some are generous and others are absolutely stingy with the amount they will ever pay out on free games. I used to play consistently at one gambling site which would pay out almost every other day on free games and did that for a couple years, who know's why they let me get away with it for so long - but eventually it got restricted. Other sites I might have played every day for months but rarely got anything. Ultimately they want people to deposit money and lose it, so they're not going to keep giving away an endless supply back to users without the users spending money.

[Dunamisx]

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

[Jody.Drummer]

Maybe it only applies to people who have a good mindset, because with a good mindset they will not think that gambling can give them certain benefits, so when the free spins they get end up disappointing them, they will understand it because they know there is no clear certainty that they can win in slot gambling in any way. Even though they use a relatively large bet amount, they will realize that luck cannot be determined by that. For people who have a mindset that they can benefit from gambling, they can be more interested in gambling when they almost win, for example by getting free spins and getting a big multiplier but the end result is a defeat, then they will think about betting again because they feel a little more they will win, and what happens is they chase victory while victory in slot gambling is uncertain.

That is why we must build understanding that gambling can not gives benefits to them and only for have fun in our free time. By realizing that, we will not feels disappointed when we can not win in slot game.
Even if we gets a free spins, we will not complaint if we lose because slot game rely on the luck and no clear uncertainty. We can only enjoy the gift from the casino or by buying the bonus buy and not have a big expectation that when we buy the bonus, that will help us to win.
If they think that buy the bonus will give them a big chance to win, they should be prepare not to get anything or win small amount because the chance will not too big. Winning in slot game will still difficult because that game need luck to win.

It is true what you said with the understanding that as entertainment then it is likely that we will not feel disappointed when the results of gambling end in defeat, besides that we should be able to accept it because it is likely that the gambling we do ends in disappointment, but with the aim of only entertainment then there is no feeling of disappointment but maybe there is only that it does not affect our emotional feelings because with people whose goal is to seek profit of course they will feel disappointed with the results that occur are defeat and that can make them emotional.
I do not agree if you say Free spin was created to really annoy players, because it is clear that this game involves luck that determines the final result so no matter how gambling is done the results will not be able to make us win for sure, players must be aware of the luck factor not just trying as hard as they can.

[traderethereum]

It is true what you said with the understanding that as entertainment then it is likely that we will not feel disappointed when the results of gambling end in defeat, besides that we should be able to accept it because it is likely that the gambling we do ends in disappointment, but with the aim of only entertainment then there is no feeling of disappointment but maybe there is only that it does not affect our emotional feelings because with people whose goal is to seek profit of course they will feel disappointed with the results that occur are defeat and that can make them emotional.
I do not agree if you say Free spin was created to really annoy players, because it is clear that this game involves luck that determines the final result so no matter how gambling is done the results will not be able to make us win for sure, players must be aware of the luck factor not just trying as hard as they can.

If we use gambling as entertainment, we know about the risk that we can get in anytime so we will always prevent the risks becomes big. Playing gambling is like spend your money in other thing that you will not regret because you realize that need money to have fun.
So when you lose the money, you will not too disappointed or regret because you already realize that should happen and you should manage your money that you want to use to playing gambling. You will not chase the win in slot game or other gambling games because that can make you lose more money.
Many times we see people trigger to continue playing many slot gams after they lose in free spins and that because their curiosity becomes high. They think that with playing for more can recover their losses with making some profit but that will not always happen because slot game need luck to win.

[nara1892]

Not always, or I mean the result of the free spin bonus round does not always end up being annoying, and the point is that the result is always random in the sense that the free spin bonus can give you some wins but it is also very possible to make you end up disappointed when it turns out that the spin bonus runs very badly, but overall, don't expect too much, because after all, something bad must happen much more often than tempting results.

On the other hand, I see that most gamblers who make casino games their favorite game are really obsessed with the name of the free spin bonus and sometimes there are also some of them who are willing to make several deposits just to chase the free spin bonus through manual spins, the mistake is that they are not aware that the free spin bonus does not always guarantee victory.

[irsykes]

I thought it only happened in my environment, but it turns out it happened in other environments too. I think this happens because of the different beliefs of each of us, because if you say players who choose to spam buy free spins maybe it's only for people who don't want to bother, knowing the results will lose so they don't bother to spam buy free spins. Besides that, I'm sure you yourself have your own way of playing, once I found a video that gave a trick to spin manually several times and immediately auto spin 1000x and in just a few spins I had gotten free spins, I had believed in this trick but with the next gamble I did doing this trick didn't work, from here I think there really is no accurate trick at all.
With the results that cannot be predicted, of course there are times when the results can give us an advantage but it is indeed very rare because free spins do not guarantee that we can get a definite win.

there is no guarantee of a trick from spam buy free spins. because I also do it repeatedly and only go up a few percent for hours but in the end it disappears because of the ambition of targets like neighbors. I have done various tricks in the slot game world until I am disappointed. and comfortable with sports betting which I consider more optimal for making money

I agree with that, maybe for those who spam free spins it is one of the tricks that they believe can make them win, but actually if you think about it there is no clear and accurate trick to win in slot gambling, even though they might make a payment to get a trick it will not make them win if not because of luck on their side, because in slot gambling, in my opinion, winning is very much determined by luck, not by tricks or skills.
You yourself may feel disappointed because there is no accurate trick to win until you switch to sports betting, I myself feel what you feel, but I don't switch, it's just that I limit the games I play with limitations from various angles, by clearly understanding the luck factor that plays a big role in slot gambling.

not completely playing slot games, as you said there are certain limits because of factors. slot games are just a sideline when I'm bored with the same page bets. when playing with slot games. I play randomly or new slot games are released, even then it's very rare. I'm more focused on what makes me comfortable or produces with the right statistics over time. all betting efforts must have big and small risks but with a mature attitude to be controlled

Good for you that are able to control yourself when playing slots. Maybe you have not hit a big win in them which would directly make you a really passionate person about them and many other slot players who continue playing slots up to now have definitely hit a huge win me included. The problem is that the slot machines give that huge win once in some years and they eat your money really fast most of the time. That is why I don't suggest you keep playing slots, they are not for most of us, they will rob us of our money most of the time and makes us feel really bad. It is good to play sport bets as I am converting to them slow slow and I see more potential here, less time consuming bets and definitely very hard to get addicted to compared to slots.

As for the bonus games they are designed to suck most of the times and this is definitely not going to change.

sometimes jealous seeing friends playing slots win big to want to imitate playing hoping to win big, but it's all upside down can't be compared to friends. ever win big while playing slots even though it's only once and not as big as other friends. but all gamblers will go through a phase where we will win from different pages or like having our own advantages to get luck. the slot addict phase that I have experienced is indeed very surprising out of control

[Zigabel]

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

This isn't completely true, there are people who had free money come their way and were able to use it well enough to get the very best off the money and today they have got investments they did made off the free money, so it's not all the cases that free money literally gets squandered without making something good off it, but then your idea does play out some times a d not always.

[l3pox]

When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison

[Wakate]

When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison

When gamblers start making loses and the complain keeps increasing, this will send a signal to other gamblers to stop betting on such game or the machine to prevent further loses that had already been incurred by early gamblers. Rumors can spread quick if things get worse and no one is making money from such slot machine. Since every gambler wasn't ready to dash money to the casino except by the insufficient luck available that could increase the rate of loses than winning. It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.

[bubilas]

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

The concept of money is very much blurred in gambling. The casino tries in every way to instill in the player the idea that his money is just a number on the screen, and that it does not matter so much if it decreases. I think the point is also that any gambler when replenishing a deposit, then internally unconsciously says goodbye to his money, not really hoping that he will be able to increase it and withdraw it back.

[ethereumhunter]

When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison

When gamblers start making loses and the complain keeps increasing, this will send a signal to other gamblers to stop betting on such game or the machine to prevent further loses that had already been incurred by early gamblers. Rumors can spread quick if things get worse and no one is making money from such slot machine. Since every gambler wasn't ready to dash money to the casino except by the insufficient luck available that could increase the rate of loses than winning. It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.

When other gamblers can catch the signal from those gamblers who lost their money and think about that, they will not try hard as those gamblers but they will stop themselves from keep playing gambling. They don't want to feel the losses that can be bigger so that makes them decide to leave the casino for a while. That is what a wise gamblers will do when they see many gamblers lose their money in gambling. They will think it is not worth to still spends their money while there are more gamblers already experienced that.

Casino can designed their place to anything, to attract more gamblers to come and play many gambling games. They already warn the gamblers to be careful when playing gambling but gamblers seems not to think much about that. Besides that, casino know how to make gamblers return to their casino so they will use that way and waiting for the profit that they can get it.

[pawanjain]

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

This isn't completely true, there are people who had free money come their way and were able to use it well enough to get the very best off the money and today they have got investments they did made off the free money, so it's not all the cases that free money literally gets squandered without making something good off it, but then your idea does play out some times a d not always.

Usually we tend to value hard earned money more than that of money that we got for free.
I would say it majorly depends on the individual's mindset on how he is using the money.
Whether it has come for free or it is his hard earned money, it all boils down to his financial literacy and making calculated risks.

[Wapfika]

Usually we tend to value hard earned money more than that of money that we got for free.
I would say it majorly depends on the individual's mindset on how he is using the money.
Whether it has come for free or it is his hard earned money, it all boils down to his financial literacy and making calculated risks.

You guys are already discussing an off-topic to this thread. The free games OP describing on this thread is the free spin that you can get when you hit a scatter symbols during normal spin.

I surprised that this thread already attract massive replies that is not related to the topic instead user started to create different topic that related literal free spin.

@dothebeat maybe it’s time to lock now this thread?

[uswa56]

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

When we use money to get free spins, the results we get will also depend on luck and I think it's the same as when we get free spins on slot games cannot be known for sure, so when we are playing on this type of slot game then we shouldn't expect too much to get bigger results if luck is not on our side, then the results we get from the spins Free is certainly not big and if you manage to get good results from free spins when using personal money, of course luck is on your side.

[l3pox]

When I first saw the design of the games in the online casino I was very surprised. They looked like they were drawn by someone who can only draw in Paint. For example, the slot machine with the monkey and her bananas was really terribly designed.
And then I saw an interview with the casino designer and he said that everything is actually simple: the casino often makes the slot interface simple on purpose: and when gamblers see such a design, they think that such slots are as simple as possible, and this attracts them to the game. Yes, there are slots that are very beautifully designed, but I am sure that he was right and such a trick from the casino does take place.

A friend of mine plays in a casino that uses a similar ugly interface with a macaque. And the whole point of this character is to make the gambler who loses to this macaque feel offended. It's a shame that the gambler is beaten by an ugly monkey, and he gets angry and loses control of himself. It turns out that this is the perfect way to piss off any gambler. It's a pity that casino owners order such a design without caring about the psyche of players.

I don't know, controversial take, because some gamblers will definitely be mad at the machine and end up deciding to stop because of their anger
maybe the ones that stay are more profitable to the casino after all, I don't know
but they probably run the numbers on that and have a base for comparison

When gamblers start making loses and the complain keeps increasing, this will send a signal to other gamblers to stop betting on such game or the machine to prevent further loses that had already been incurred by early gamblers. Rumors can spread quick if things get worse and no one is making money from such slot machine. Since every gambler wasn't ready to dash money to the casino except by the insufficient luck available that could increase the rate of loses than winning. It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.

keeping track has great power, but it's boring so most people simply don't do it
but if you do it you'll be able to track your wins and losses with way more precision and then improve your game, becoming unstopabble.
this is probably the way
but trading is better than gambling and investing is better than both

[LUCKMCFLY]

It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.

It is a fact that things are like that, I personally Always emphasize that as a player you want to play slots and be successful there is no way to put money in and play wisely , but when they are free spins you have to forget about winning a very big and very special prize, no, we should take advantage of the free spins to have fun, and if you really want to win at slots I think you should have a lot of money, I don't know about playing slots but with very little money ,because for me slots are in a VIP classification of games to just enjoy, and I see it as a service to relieve Stress.

[dimonstration]

It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.

It is a fact that things are like that, I personally Always emphasize that as a player you want to play slots and be successful there is no way to put money in and play wisely , but when they are free spins you have to forget about winning a very big and very special prize, no, we should take advantage of the free spins to have fun,

Actually, You have a high chance of winning if you will enter the free spin mode of slot games or availing the free spins that typically offered by the casino as bonus for doing something from them in return. Slot game is a tough game to beat or win something huge consistently due to its RTP.

and if you really want to win at slots I think you should have a lot of money, I don't know about playing slots but with very little money ,because for me slots are in a VIP classification of games to just enjoy, and I see it as a service to relieve Stress.

It’s not necessary that you need huge bankroll to win big. Remember that slot offer max multiplier that can make the minimum bet a huge amount with just 1 lucky hit. It proves that you can win something big even if your bankroll is small. You just need to become lucky.

[alastantiger]

It is a fact that things are like that, I personally Always emphasize that as a player you want to play slots and be successful there is no way to put money in and play wisely , but when they are free spins you have to forget about winning a very big and very special prize, no, we should take advantage of the free spins to have fun, and if you really want to win at slots I think you should have a lot of money, I don't know about playing slots but with very little money ,because for me slots are in a VIP classification of games to just enjoy, and I see it as a service to relieve Stress.

Having a lot of money can be of no use when you don't have good plans on how to gamble and give yourself more avenue to win because the more you try you luck, you can become lucky. You don't need large money to gamble or you will lose them when you don't have the right tools needed to become a winner at some of the games that needs your expertise. Free spin are for your to test out the casino hence we shouldn't see them as the way to win but to have an experience about the games and the casino experience. Slots games need small wagers to help spread your bankroll to give you more chances to play for a longer time.

[Hirose UK]

It is good we test different games and try to know the rate at which winning can be earned from different slot machines.

It is a fact that things are like that, I personally Always emphasize that as a player you want to play slots and be successful there is no way to put money in and play wisely , but when they are free spins you have to forget about winning a very big and very special prize, no, we should take advantage of the free spins to have fun, and if you really want to win at slots I think you should have a lot of money, I don't know about playing slots but with very little money ,because for me slots are in a VIP classification of games to just enjoy, and I see it as a service to relieve Stress.

Following ambition and also the desire to continue playing will always lead gambler into big mistake and I sure that no matter how much money you have, it will only run out without leaving anything, this is the reason why it is highly recommended not to be reckless in every gambling game.
If really can't get lucky, then it would be best to stop for moment and not try to continue playing until really win, the percentage of winning in slot games is very small even though we try one by one the existing slot games.
On the other hand, free spins that are obtained in slot games will also not guarantee victory even though free spins are not easy to get, but with free spins it will usually make someone more curious and that the worst condition, they will find it difficult to stop and leave the game or gambling site.
One thing, never expect much with free spins and don't think about being able to surpass the algorithm of casino game and the best is to enjoy it for fun and entertainment.

[EarnOnVictor]

Some people will tell you that what you use money for its achievement will tend to last more than the one that just comes on a platter of gold, we should know this for that reason, free things are sometime unpredictable and their value may not be as up to to the quality of what we get when we are actually using our own earned personal money for gambling, i don't know what's behind this, but that is how it has been for some time now.

Trust anything free and roast yourself alive...lol

That is how I see free things today. It was better initially but maybe for competition or a higher patronage, things changed all of a sudden. The OP was even referring to the spinning games, I wonder how that can be productive since it is already programmed on how it should act. If one wins from the real wagers through spins, the person is just lucky, but how much more when it is free money, you can be sure to have more difficulties than before. The system has been programmed to make sure of that, but this doesn't mean you can't still be lucky by spinning the free money but your chance of luck will be slimmer. This is if the additional terms and conditions will even favour the gambler as bookies make sure that the condition of getting money from the free bets is more stringent.