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September 26, 2024, 09:05:29 AM
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The FTC's report shows a massive increase in Bitcoin ATM scams, with $110 million scammed last year. This year alone, the figure has already reached $65 million just in the first half. If we compare this to 2020, there's been a tenfold increase in scams...isn't that alarming?

The main types of scams they use include "government impersonation," "business impersonation," and "tech support fraud." Scammers create urgent situations to convince victims to withdraw cash from their bank accounts and deposit it into a Bitcoin ATM using a QR code that links to the scammers' wallets.

And as usual, older adults are the most vulnerable to these scams, especially those 60 years and above.

Here’s a short video explaining Bitcoin ATM scams:



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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ03vfpJMGM


https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2024/09/new-ftc-data-shows-massive-increase-losses-bitcoin-atm-scams
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September 26, 2024, 10:15:15 AM
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Scammers create urgent situations to convince victims to withdraw cash from their bank accounts and deposit it into a Bitcoin ATM using a QR code that links to the scammers' wallets.
This is an important point as scammers often create fake urgent situations to force their potential victims to take action quickly on their request while don't have enough time to do searching and have time to considerate the situation more deeply and carefully.

If you notice this point, you will very less likely become a victim of scammers. If any stranger contacts you, it's an alarm. If he asks you for things related to money, it's a second alarm. If he tries to put you into urgent situation, it's a third alarm. So you can stop right here, and quit the conversation, and you will never be scammed.

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September 26, 2024, 10:26:52 AM
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Due to the older population being involved in these Scams for the most part, unfortunately there is little that could be done.  Even if you put up a big sign next to the ATM warning them of these Scams, how many would read it?

Though I would argue there better is a sign than not be.  ATMs could in fact have even a warning message before usage so you first have to agree that you acknowledge the existence of such Scams.  Other than that, I doubt there is much that can be done.  These Scams are typically manipulating the elderly into believing that spending that amount of Money is an emergency, an immediate action they have to take.  Now combine that manipulation with the aged brain of a grandma, poor eye vision and the lack of awareness of the surroundings and you got yourself a fatal combination.

I have seen a few videos of those people who try to bust Scammers.  The Scammers are often extremely disrespectful, I often can not fathom how many of them still catch victims with such attitude.  You would think they tried just a little bit to pretend they are nice, but most of them do not even care.

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September 26, 2024, 10:35:15 AM
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Due to the older population being involved in these Scams for the most part, unfortunately there is little that could be done.  Even if you put up a big sign next to the ATM warning them of these Scams, how many would read it?

Though I would argue there better is a sign than not be.  ATMs could in fact have even a warning message before usage so you first have to agree that you acknowledge the existence of such Scams.  Other than that, I doubt there is much that can be done.
Having warning signs are good but not enough and it's individual responsibility to read, understand warning signs and take care of their own funds. The report likely was written with intention to maximize severity of this scam and how much money stolen through Bitcoin ATM scams. Because it does not give us comparisons through figures of scammed money in different years. It simply has figures of total stolen money since 2020, and says it's tenfold increase.
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Since 2020, the amount consumers reported losing has increased nearly tenfold to over $110 million in 2023.

This information is very vague and it is really hard to count for scam severity growth with years. We know that Bitcoin ATMs have very good growth together with Bitcoin adoption growth. From about 6,500 ATMs in 2020 to nearly 40,000 ATM in 2022 and 39,000 in 2024, it's big difference. Total ATM roughly increases 6 fold and total scammed customers increases 10 fold in the same period, it makes sense but it's not too serious and scam increases less than 2 fold, rather than 10 fold if we read given number in the report.

https://coinatmradar.com/charts/manufacturer-growth/
https://coinatmradar.com/charts/growth/

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September 26, 2024, 11:47:49 AM
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The FTC's report shows a massive increase in Bitcoin ATM scams, with $110 million scammed last year. This year alone, the figure has already reached $65 million just in the first half. If we compare this to 2020, there's been a tenfold increase in scams...isn't that alarming?
What do you expect from these figures? I don't think I ever expected the figures to reduce, the figures directly corresponds with the increasing crime rate. By next year, the figures may be higher if the economic situation in some countries do not change and improve for the better because as people become more desperate, they are more willing to find more ways to get money even if it is stealing. Bitcoin ATM's may just be the easier target currently for these criminals.

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September 26, 2024, 03:00:16 PM
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The FTC's report shows a massive increase in Bitcoin ATM scams, with $110 million scammed last year. This year alone, the figure has already reached $65 million just in the first half. If we compare this to 2020, there's been a tenfold increase in scams...isn't that alarming?
What do you expect from these figures? I don't think I ever expected the figures to reduce, the figures directly corresponds with the increasing crime rate. By next year, the figures may be higher if the economic situation in some countries do not change and improve for the better because as people become more desperate, they are more willing to find more ways to get money even if it is stealing. Bitcoin ATM's may just be the easier target currently for these criminals.
These crimes shouldn't be linked to a country's economic situation. Many countries struggle; does that mean this problems gets worsen in the future? No, the key is educating people about these scams. Is it easy? Not at all, but continuous effort will help reduce them. If we assume that scams will keep rising, then it just shows we don't trust the government to tighten the law and educate people effectively. For the Bitcoin community to gain mass adoption, these incidents- or Bitcoin scams in general- need to be minimized. Why just minimize and not completely eliminate them? Because it's impossible to get rid of them entirely.

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September 26, 2024, 03:15:29 PM
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Whta's really bad in all this is this line

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Scammers create urgent situations to convince victims to withdraw cash from their bank accounts and deposit it into a Bitcoin ATM using a QR code that links to the scammers' wallets.

You have people getting cammed in a way that requires them to go get money out of their bank account and send crypto, none of those who are getting scammed this way will ever trust crypto gaian, their perception will be that the scammers couldn't get their money while in the bank but now are untraceable because of crypto transfers, so obviously they will thing bank are safer than bitcoin.

This information is very vague and it is really hard to count for scam severity growth with years. We know that Bitcoin ATMs have very good growth together with Bitcoin adoption growth. From about 6,500 ATMs in 2020 to nearly 40,000 ATM in 2022 and 39,000 in 2024, it's big difference. Total ATM roughly increases 6 fold and total scammed customers increases 10 fold in the same period, it makes sense but it's not too serious and scam increases less than 2 fold, rather than 10 fold if we read given number in the report.

It's not too serious that the scams icnrarse twice the pace of ATM installations?
It means you have doubled the victims of an individual ATM in less than 3 years, and raised the median loss to $10000.
And most important than these numbers, the FTC only has knowledge of the reported scams, how many have been scammed and have not called the police is a guessing game.

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September 26, 2024, 03:22:21 PM
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I am sure these scams and frauds will continue to grow in numbers. The fact it's already in millions and that also $65 Million is way too much. I would never use a Bitcoin ATM until and unless there is any emergency. And the Crypto Debit Cards is also helpful if you want to spend your bits.

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September 26, 2024, 07:25:11 PM
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And as usual, older adults are the most vulnerable to these scams, especially those 60 years and above.
It's just so sad those age brackets have always been the most victim to online scams, both from ranging from ponzi schemes, cyber hacking and now Bitcoin A.T.M fraud currently trending in the crypto community. And as such, I think it's high time, a public enlightenment is made for these age brackets who mostly falls victim to these types of scams. Because most times it is such acts like this that makes government sees crypto/Bitcoin as bad, since the real identity of these scammers can't be traced.

 
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September 26, 2024, 08:47:35 PM
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I wonder what this scammers are telling their victims that will make them withdraw their money from their bank accounts and send it to the scammers through BTC atm machines, it is crazy. I think they must have promised these victims gains in fake investment or something like that, so maybe they are taking advantage of their greed to extort money from them. BTC or crypto is not the problem, people who are scammed this way can also be scammed with fiat, just that it is easy to trace fiat electronic transfers.

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September 26, 2024, 09:28:49 PM
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The FTC's report shows a massive increase in Bitcoin ATM scams, with $110 million scammed last year. This year alone, the figure has already reached $65 million just in the first half. If we compare this to 2020, there's been a tenfold increase in scams...isn't that alarming?
What do you expect from these figures? I don't think I ever expected the figures to reduce, the figures directly corresponds with the increasing crime rate. By next year, the figures may be higher if the economic situation in some countries do not change and improve for the better because as people become more desperate, they are more willing to find more ways to get money even if it is stealing. Bitcoin ATM's may just be the easier target currently for these criminals.
The idea is that there are big opportunities online because there is evidence that people around us or we see people online are successful. That is one of the main cause why people fall for scams that cost them a fortune. I can imagine how much that was been scammed that would give such a sum of amount ($65 million) this year when it's not yet over. Still, more and more people are being victims of scams because of a lack of knowledge about the process of it.

In a conference I attended. There was a discussion about cybercrime with tech-savvy individuals that engage in projects that are Ponzi schemes and scams. And I made a suggestion there, that a school for those who are victims of cybercrimes or are discussing with someone who they feel might be a scammer should be built for such persons. That will help increase global awareness.

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September 27, 2024, 02:47:07 AM
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It's not too serious that the scams icnrarse twice the pace of ATM installations?
It means you have doubled the victims of an individual ATM in less than 3 years, and raised the median loss to $10000.
It is serious and I did not say it's not serious.

I search for more details and compare what I got with what written in the FTC report, to show that FTC wanted to exaggerate the severity by steps like try to hide details and only compare things in inappropriate ways to make things worse and more severe that what it is.

In their report, if we simply read it, we see the 10-fold increase of scam, but if we get more details, as I searched, got it and shared it here, it's about 2-fold. Doubling scam is serious thing because more people losing money to scam, it's never good.

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And most important than these numbers, the FTC only has knowledge of the reported scams, how many have been scammed and have not called the police is a guessing game.
I agree, report is on reported cases, but there are more non-reported cases.

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September 27, 2024, 03:17:45 AM
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I wonder what this scammers are telling their victims that will make them withdraw their money from their bank accounts and send it to the scammers through BTC atm machines,...

Here are the methods on how their scams are done.

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1. Copycat account security alerts
2. Phony subscription renewals
3. Fake giveaways, discounts, or money to claim
4. Bogus problems with the law
5. Made-up package delivery problems

you can read the full details of explanation on the link below.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/data-visualizations/data-spotlight/2024/04/impersonation-scams-not-what-they-used-be

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September 27, 2024, 02:28:54 PM
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I'm generally hesitant when using ATMs. To me, they are the last resort when I truly need cash, so with Bitcoin, I just always go for online alternatives. I've heard of people complaining about high fees, but I didn't know about ATM scams. Love the short, informative, and fun format of the video the op shared.
I know about QR-code scams, it's one of the things I never use for any payments because I don't like that it's impossible to tell them apart. But it's useful to know that ATM scams also involve QR codes. The increase in scams is indeed alarming, and it's very unfortunate that the victims are mainly older people, who aren't good with digital literacy.

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I'm generally hesitant when using ATMs. To me, they are the last resort when I truly need cash, so with Bitcoin, I just always go for online alternatives. I've heard of people complaining about high fees, but I didn't know about ATM scams.
Bitcoin ATM numbers are increasing with time but trading fee through Bitcoin ATMs is very expensive. Depends on Bitcoin ATM manufacturers and operators, fees can be from expensive to super expensive.

Bitcoin ATMs: definition, fees and locations
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Bitcoin ATM Fees
Customers are charged a service fee for using a Bitcoin ATM. This fee is typically charged as a percentage of the transaction rather than a fixed dollar value. Bitcoin ATMs can be very high, and the exchange rates offered may not be as competitive as could be found elsewhere. For example, Bitcoin ATM operator CoinFlip charges between 4.99% and 21.90% of your total transaction amount, compared to paying between $0.49 for a Bitcoin purchase of $1 to $4.99 and 1.5% on a purchase of $1,000 or more using Paypal.
Trading fee like 4.99% to 21.9% is very terrible and it makes Bitcoin ATM is not first consideration.

Bitcoin ATM Deposit Exchange Rate shocks
I just went through the receipts today and realized the machine price rate is far different from the real market price of 30,130 USD per bitcoin.

Out of the $1,000 deposited in cash
BTC worth $7,000 was only deposited to the provided address.
The same thing happened with 1,800 dollars' worth of bitcoin, and only 1377 dollars' worth of bitcoin was received at the address.

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Bitcoin ATM numbers are increasing with time but trading fee through Bitcoin ATMs is very expensive. Depends on Bitcoin ATM manufacturers and operators, fees can be from expensive to super expensive.
High Fees are typically when Selling Bitcoin for Cash.  Other wise, Bitcoin purchases often have zero or negligible Fees.  Even with high Fees however, if the ATM has no Know Your Customer requirements then it is an amazing option for us who want to have Privacy.  I used ATMs a lot for Bitcoin Transactions and it was my preferred choice.  That was before Know Your Customer became the norm in my country too.  And I do not regret it, even if I paid a bit of Money for this Service.  Privacy has a cost almost all the time and I know that.

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Today at 06:36:04 AM
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Bitcoin ATM numbers are increasing with time but trading fee through Bitcoin ATMs is very expensive. Depends on Bitcoin ATM manufacturers and operators, fees can be from expensive to super expensive.

Bitcoin ATMs: definition, fees and locations
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Bitcoin ATM Fees
Customers are charged a service fee for using a Bitcoin ATM. This fee is typically charged as a percentage of the transaction rather than a fixed dollar value. Bitcoin ATMs can be very high, and the exchange rates offered may not be as competitive as could be found elsewhere. For example, Bitcoin ATM operator CoinFlip charges between 4.99% and 21.90% of your total transaction amount, compared to paying between $0.49 for a Bitcoin purchase of $1 to $4.99 and 1.5% on a purchase of $1,000 or more using Paypal.
Trading fee like 4.99% to 21.9% is very terrible and it makes Bitcoin ATM is not first consideration.

Bitcoin ATM Deposit Exchange Rate shocks
I just went through the receipts today and realized the machine price rate is far different from the real market price of 30,130 USD per bitcoin.

Out of the $1,000 deposited in cash
BTC worth $7,000 was only deposited to the provided address.
The same thing happened with 1,800 dollars' worth of bitcoin, and only 1377 dollars' worth of bitcoin was received at the address.

It doesn't help that Bitcoin ATMs are privatized, so that any company can charge whatever fee it wants because it's the only one in the area. There is no competition in this space at all, which would've helped to force those ATM operators to lower fees out of competitiveness.

That being said, 5% - 20% fee is outrageous and I'm surprised nobody's making more of a fuss about it.

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