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September 30, 2024, 06:17:33 AM
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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.
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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.

This view captures a basic issue in the relationship of technology and entrepreneurship: Innovation is first perceived as a independent business venture. This creates more free time for employees, but instead of decreasing employment, this often leads to increased demand. This was well illustrated by the Industrial Revolution's growth of factories: although machines were perceived as reducing more effort on work, But they also created more job openings.

Promises of performance are often packaged and sold with a type of culture so we cannot live with them nor be liberated by them with computers and smartphones. These tools can be chains. It makes us more accessible and less disconnected. The expectation of responding to emails or texts immediately means that taking a break is stressful.

 While some countries have moved closer to this ideal, many workers still leave each workday overtired, pushed to their limits. Tomorrow's challenge will be to make technologies make our life better than just leading them. Matching performance with success remains one of the key goals.

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There's this American movie I watch which they were trying to shows us how it is possible that some AI can function with neuroscience, that's to say, they created an AI that can mimic every steps or move you make. For example, if you are close to the robot and you raise up you hands, it will do that same thing you did. After watching that movie, I saw a video on social media where a man was using that kind of AI to harvest carrots and potatoes in his farm. What happened was that, as the man was busy harvesting some carrots, the robot was just taking exactly same action that the man was doing and was also harvesting carrots too.

These means that there is steady improvement in the development of AI and with time, if every company can afford to buy this robots, they will actually go for it, to reduce costs of paying workers which will reduce the rate of employment by private companies but I think government jobs will still be available because the government can not allow people to suffer without any source of income.

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September 30, 2024, 10:24:26 AM
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Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.
If I am not wrong, I must have read it somewhere that Nordic countries think about giving pension to their citizens once jobs will be done by AI and robots. We will come to that end at some point in our life and when there will be no jobs left for people, then they must be put on pension but then another problem will arise. What are people going to do when they won't have to work? This is the most interesting part and that part makes me afraid.
There was an experiment done on rat and mice, it's called Calhoun's Rodent Utopia. They had all the comfort in their living space, unlimited food, water, etc, a pure heaven in other words. At first, things went uphill but then everything went absolutely downhill. Mice became violent, lost social skills, didn't mate and so on.

If you think that AI will take over jobs and we won't have to work and will be put on pension and that will be amazing, please readCalhoun's Rodent Utopia.

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September 30, 2024, 10:25:56 AM
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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.

So what do you suggest? Dumping technology completely and going back to the middle ages? Grin
Technology increases the productivity of human labor, but capitalism wants more and more profits. I don't agree that the workers "still had to toil away". The modern day worker has way more labor rights and lower worktime than the 19th century worker, so there's definitely an improvement. I'm definitely not one of the people, who won't go to the bathroom without a laptop or phone. I use a laptop for about 4-5 hours a day, which is pretty normal. AI can be really helpful, if we know how to use it. More human jobs, that do boring and repetitive tasks will be replaced by AI, which good for the businesses.

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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.
AI is really threatening and many of the simple jobs will be taken over by them. But AI, is going to make a lot of jobs more productive when they use it appropriately.

While many see it as a threat, just upgrade your skills so that you won't feel threatened by its emergence.

I think that the time will come as well that many of the jobs will come back to the traditions and people would have simpler life and still able to achieve work-life balance.

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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.


Artificial intelligence (AI) market interest growth 2015 to 2023, by share of companies



Source : https://www.statista.com/statistics/1424672/ai-market-interest-worldwide/

The picture showed how AI's market is growing so significantly every year. As more companies explore how to use AI, they are seeking a way to lower their costs.

The advancement of tech can't be avoided. The smart people will always think about how to follow it rather than how to stay away from it. It's hard to fight against the trend. And an example, dotcom bubble




Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.


If I am not wrong, I must have read it somewhere that Nordic countries think about giving pension to their citizens once jobs will be done by AI and robots. We will come to that end at some point in our life and when there will be no jobs left for people, then they must be put on pension but then another problem will arise. What are people going to do when they won't have to work? This is the most interesting part and that part makes me afraid.


It sounds good for the current generation. They will get pension funds after AI takes their jobs. But, what about the future generation? Life is always moving forward. If it happens, AI will fully automate everything. There will be no jobs left for the future generation.

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September 30, 2024, 11:44:53 AM
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There's this American movie I watch which they were trying to shows us how it is possible that some AI can function with neuroscience, that's to say, they created an AI that can mimic every steps or move you make. For example, if you are close to the robot and you raise up you hands, it will do that same thing you did. After watching that movie, I saw a video on social media where a man was using that kind of AI to harvest carrots and potatoes in his farm. What happened was that, as the man was busy harvesting some carrots, the robot was just taking exactly same action that the man was doing and was also harvesting carrots too.

These means that there is steady improvement in the development of AI and with time, if every company can afford to buy this robots, they will actually go for it, to reduce costs of paying workers which will reduce the rate of employment by private companies but I think government jobs will still be available because the government can not allow people to suffer without any source of income.

This is already happening, AI is gradually replacing humans in certain fields and positions, but that does not mean it will push many people into unemployment or job loss. As technology develops it will change everything, some old jobs will be eliminated but it will create some new jobs for the world because this world cannot function without human intervention.

Not to mention, the government will know how to balance things because as you know, as the population continues to increase and if the unemployment rate increases, it will not be beneficial for the country at all. Social evils are created from that and I think they know that very well so there is no need to worry too much as AI becomes more and more present in our lives. There will always be a balance between humans and AI and governments will create that balance.

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Indeed some jobs will end but other jobs will be created, the problem will be if new jobs are rare here the competition will be high and the pay will be very low but as long as you develop yourself you will always find a suitable job. The current problem is that the more development increases the more difficult it will be to access resources due to the population of the Earth which means that the quality of some things like food and water will decrease in return for the increase in working hours and the slowness of jobs.

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Wow! It's always amazing When talking about this machine AI. Technology has really helped humanity. Before this we had the aeroplane, the mobile phones we are using to reach out to one another today .The thing is that the AI machine is not seen every where like the mobile phones,for people to purchase for usage. I would have love to use it for a poultry worker, like packing the derm bird excreter for me in my country.
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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.
AI is really threatening and many of the simple jobs will be taken over by them. But AI, is going to make a lot of jobs more productive when they use it appropriately.

While many see it as a threat, just upgrade your skills so that you won't feel threatened by its emergence.

I think that the time will come as well that many of the jobs will come back to the traditions and people would have simpler life and still able to achieve work-life balance.
AI may bring some changes to our current job performance but we fail to realize that without us human beings, this AI will also no longer come into possibility. AI needs us to do the application and become the main tools to achieve its goal, that’s why we need not to worry and compete with AI existence. Just level up and upgrade to ride with this fast improving AI, as changes could happen constantly so you have to adopt with it.

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The advent of tech just made more people think more, do more, and want more, hence why the more jobs that were made. Definitely think AI will do the same but rather than more work, it just opens up more possibilities for people to go for creative work/research work since menial work can easily be done now.

As for the detriments of tech, that's more on how people grew up with it more than anything really. I'd hardly blame tech imo and given the choice of whether tech should've happened or not, 100% would always say that it should always have happened instead of not at all.

 
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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy.
I am pretty sure that workers were not happy at all about the invention of different machineries and other technology advancements. Women in America only started to claim their rights when they no longer felt useful at home since there were too many machines being invented already. Since women back then only had one job and that is being at home doing household chores, they felt like with all the machineries invented they should be able to do more with their lives and contribute to the society in more ways than a machine can do. I know this is just one perspective from a very specific demographic, but I can say that this says enough about how people generally viewed advancements. They were threats to people who did their job before them.
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Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one.
Not only are we becoming more dependent and reliant on assistance, but we are also literally not using our own brains anymore. There is a clear difference between comprehension skills of people from before compared to people of today's time and I actually think we can blame this on to AI and other technological assistance.

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September 30, 2024, 01:16:16 PM
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Not to mention, the government will know how to balance things because as you know, as the population continues to increase and if the unemployment rate increases, it will not be beneficial for the country at all. Social evils are created from that and I think they know that very well so there is no need to worry too much as AI becomes more and more present in our lives. There will always be a balance between humans and AI and governments will create that balance.
Actually that's what the government want to see.

Unemployment increase, it make people who already have a job get pressure to work harder or agree to receive less salary because there are many people who willing to take their position, business will be profitable because they can pay as low as they can and they can maximize the profit.

Government really like to see people who life miserable and willing to do anything for small money.

 
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In anything, they will most likely be an advantage and disadvantage, although it has been discussed here before the effects that AI technology is capable of doing to some of our daily routine jobs. Actually, AI technology has been a huge advantage that will affect not only the jobs but also the students in school; most of them now use AI to get their answers, which will make them so weak to conduct good research. Although that is not what we are discussing now, the main focus is the effect that AI technology is capable of doing in the near future, which will be capable of increasing inflation around the globe because it will be hard for some less educated people to get jobs again, and that will be able to cause more poverty to them. My fear is that AI technology shouldn’t take over the regulations of the world. 

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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.
To an extent there is some sense in what you are trying to say, but one thing you must understand is that, technological advancement over the years has been to assist the human race in achieving some of the set goals. The artificial intelligence was not created to make job go into extincts for human beings, it was a tool that was created to help mankind to make jobs and other things easy. so we should understand that there are jobs that are designated for human beings which AI cannot do, a very good example is a judge of a court, a structural and building engineer, a Detective and a whole lot more. My point is, we human beings can create jobs specifically for AI's and Robots and we can always makes jobs available for humans, making both of them go in pari Passu. we shouldn't also forget that even the AI's are been manned and controlled by human beings.











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Indeed some jobs will end but other jobs will be created, the problem will be if new jobs are rare here the competition will be high and the pay will be very low but as long as you develop yourself you will always find a suitable job.
Surely AI will not be able to take all the Jobs as some people would want to think, there are still some positions that will be occupied by humans with special skills. Workers occupying positions in industries and companies that know that their job position is at risk of being taken over by an artificial intelligence have to start making plans from now to either develop their skills further to make them indispensable in the company or seek better skills. While others trying to learn a new skill and then focusing on skills that AI can do already are focusing on the wrong thing.

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September 30, 2024, 07:35:48 PM
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When the first machine was invented, people thought workers could take it easy. But what happened? More factories appeared, the workload increased, and capitalists were all smiles, while workers still had to toil away. When computers first came out, we thought we could say goodbye to pen and paper. But what happened? Now, we can't even go to the bathroom without taking our laptops, afraid of missing an email. And don't even get me started on phones—we thought they would broaden our horizons, but our view has shrunk to the size of a screen. Many jobs are now completed with AI assistance, and tasks that used to take three days now have to be done in one. Keynes once said that by the end of the 20th century, technological advancement would reduce the average workweek to 15 hours, but maybe only the Nordic countries have achieved that.
So what you would really be liking  to do? Stopping nor that having that slowing down when it comes to progress? We do know that advancement will really be not stopping considering that human beings would really be
non stopping on searching or investing things on which they do seem that will really be beneficial to human kind. Yes, it does have pro's but expect that there would really be things that would be affected.
Dont mind serious too much about those speculative approach on trying it out on making it as a conclusion on which we know that there's no way that it could sure out that those words that comes out into their mouth
will really be that definitely be the thing that will happen in the future. If you are really that expecting that technological advancement turned out to be a failure then we arent that blind on not to see about its usefulness.

Everything had become that efficient and accessible. If it does make more jobs? Then so what? We arent living in a world on where all people turned out to be employers or who do own a company.
There would really be those people who would working under them. Come in mind that there might be tons of works been done but having the help of these development then it does really
ease out those jobs and more time efficient.

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September 30, 2024, 08:04:52 PM
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AI like any other thing can be used or abused. Technology is not our enemy, but a tool. If you're overwhelmed by it, feel like everybody is attached to their phones all the time and browses the Internet all day, refuse to do it, don't play their game. Let them get distracted and you focus on what's important like your family and health.

There are always people who fall into these traps and those who don't. I live in a house near the woods, far from the noise of the city. I have the Internet of course, but I spend half of the day outside. I'm not afraid of AI. What can it do to me? 10 years from now I'm not going to be looking for a job, but retirement, especially if I keep holding bitcoin for that long.

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September 30, 2024, 08:30:49 PM
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In reality, no matter how advance technology will ever be, the place of human can not be totally nulled. As more ai are been produced, more programmers will be needed to care for the technology thereby creating another job opportunities at the expense of other jobs. There are jobs that Can never  go to ai, business that requires buying and selling of physical product will not go to ai.

The fact remains that ai can malfunction and that can also be cost effective in some cases. AI is finding place in sophisticated technology for now but as we speak, how many ai taking the place of humans.

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