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October 04, 2024, 05:45:03 PM
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<snip>but there are some tech stocks that have performed really well and you could have doubled your investment in a few years. <snip>

Can't argue with that, except the vast majority of tech stocks don't pay dividends and that's what this topic is all about.  Any stock in the tech sector that does pay a dividend probably isn't the kind that's doubled/tripled in the past few years or so.

Bitcoin has been more profitable than dividend stocks and all indications are that it will continue to be so.

I would point out that the stock market has over 100 years of history to look back on when judging performance, while bitcoin's only goes back to 2009.  Fifteen years might seem like a lot of time to some, but when you're comparing it against a stock market index like the Dow or S&P 500, it's not enough to say anything meaningful really--plus you can't predict the future performance of anything by looking at charts of its past performance.  Bitcoin sure looks like it's going to crush the stock market from here to eternity, but anything could happen.  That's especially true when there's all sorts of scrutiny by governments regarding crypto. 

OP, I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want to do by investing in dividend stocks.  I'm all for passive income, but if you want to grow the value of your bitcoin why jump into the stock market?  There's no need for that, and you'd probably end up losing money like most people do who ask basic questions about investing on discussion forums.  Lol.

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October 04, 2024, 05:50:15 PM
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OP, I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want to do by investing in dividend stocks.  I'm all for passive income, but if you want to grow the value of your bitcoin why jump into the stock market?  There's no need for that, and you'd probably end up losing money like most people do who ask basic questions about investing on discussion forums.  Lol.
The idea of investing in bitcoin or stocks is all about trying to fight against inflation by taking advantage of passive income. The bitcoin market is a small market compared to the stock market which of course like you said is over a 100 years old.

It is nice to notice the fact that bitcoin actually created an atmosphere of a digital banking system around periods just after 2009 when people started to gradually believe in crypto. Bitcoin is easier to invest in especially in smaller amounts although it's volatile.

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October 04, 2024, 06:00:18 PM
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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

Depends on the stock. You need to look at the stock's earnings growth, debt to equity ratio etc... It is not really a good idea to pick a stock just because it is paying high dividends. On the contrary, in most cases high dividend yield is a red flag because it means the investors are dumping the stock and that's because they know that its dividend yield isn't sustainable.

Usually it is wise to invest in blue chip dividend paying companies like KO, PEP, MCD, XOM, PM etc. as they have been around for a very long time and most of the time they also have been increasing their dividend payments every year.

People that have lots of money invest in these stocks are getting retired on them. That's a very common way to become a financially independent individual. It is called FIRE on many parts of the internet (financially independent, retire early) The idea is nothing new.

$20 million is a very big amount. 3% dividend yield on that portfolio will give you $600k annual income and that's probably more than one would ever need. The hard part is of course getting that $20 million. Investing it in dividend stocks would only take 10 minutes. click click click and done.

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October 04, 2024, 07:44:36 PM
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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?
That's very easy to have that kind of million, easy to spend and choose those stocks that pay dividends. Aside from the stocks, you can choose REITs to pay you dividends and with this, you need to do research with the both of them. I get the idea of those people that are investing into Bitcoin and then after they make money, they'll invest somewhere else. It's a wise idea if that's the game plan because you don't want your money parked and do nothing but you're making your money work for you. But I'm more curious to see if you're walking the talk and got that real money.

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?
It ends up being a question of allocating money to traditional stocks and other markets and crypto. Each has their unique thing and thus their pros and cons. Coming from a background of stocks, I can see the potential that dividends have but it is also important that the buyer sells those stocks to rebuy again and not just hold it. Compared to bitcoin holding it for long periods does avoid the short term drops and gives an overall profit.

These asset class vary and depending on your mileage you will have to give them different weightage. I have both and I get dividends every few months as compared to nothing on the bitcoin that I hold. But for me both are equally important.

 
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OP, I don't think you're going to be able to do what you want to do by investing in dividend stocks.  I'm all for passive income, but if you want to grow the value of your bitcoin why jump into the stock market?  There's no need for that, and you'd probably end up losing money like most people do who ask basic questions about investing on discussion forums.  Lol.

If that's the OP's goal, dividends from stocks (or simply investing in stocks which share dividends) is definitely not the way to go.

It is common advice that one shouldn't keep all his eggs in the same basket, and investing in stocks, especially if they pay dividends, may be a good option for those who are full in crypto, as a way to exchange risk for growing potential. But if the OP is looking for ways to double his fortune, he should start looking for other alternatives and be willing to assume a high risk.

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Today at 10:01:41 AM
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Just as crypto, the stock market is also volatile. The dividends also varies from the company and it's up to them if they'll release the dividends of their share holders on time or likely they won't be. It really depends on them. I'm not sure about the tech stocks if they're giving dividends but most likely that's still on the trend now but to give you an idea, many are leaving silicon valley and moving elsewhere.

If $20million is already on you, I'd pick up real estate and have it rented. The yield could be 7%-10% annually and you have the property but of course, that's not going to come easy but that's the real passive income for you and that's the business that you're able to make with that capital. It's very ideal for those with money to start their apartment rental business.

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Today at 02:33:39 PM
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If you've got a solid amount of cash from Bitcoin, investing in dividend stocks can be a smart move to diversify and earn some passive income. I’ve seen people do really well by focusing on companies that consistently grow their dividends; those tend to be more reliable. For brokers, I’ve used E*TRADE and TD Ameritrade, and they have pretty good platforms with helpful tools. If you’re looking to grow a big amount like $20 million, mixing in some dividend stocks with growth stocks or ETFs can be a good strategy, but just be sure to keep an eye on your risk levels and the market’s ups and downs!






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Microsoft used to be a dividend stock also Apple though tech for a long time never paid dividends at one point they were good value and fairly good yield also.  Technology at the moment isnt cheap as a stock to buy, especially with AI its become rated as a growth stock though some dividend is paid its not good yield comparable to the alternatives like plain savings.

Whats really important here is understanding with a stock paying a dividend, it is your own money being given back to you.  A company that pays no dividend is just as valid and may even be more profitable for you personally.  The non dividend company would just require you to sell some stock to get the cash, its more awkward for most small investors to do so however its often more tax efficient.

I may confuse with this last idea but its a solid ongoing dynamic an investor has to learn and be aware of.  For example Warren Buffet never pays a dividend on purpose not because his companies are unable.  It is a waste in his eyes, I would advise OP to digest these details and understand fully even if you do resolve to pursue 'high dividends'.

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?

Dividends stock are profitable you know and getting some funds from Bitcoin to invest in dividends stocks it's quite alright and lucrative too but it depends on the targeted markets because your major concern should be that, majorly now the stock markets is booming but yet competitive so investing some huge amounts would be a leverage for future investment and profits  that follows suit but then you can predict how's gonna look like,so it's more profitable than you can imagine but I'll advice if you have such huge amounts from Bitcoin you shouldn't invest all in dividends stocks but you can as well keep some and invest in Bitcoin too for future reference.

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?
Why trying to sell bitcoin to another asset which the profits can't be compared holding bitcoin for long and as I know bitcoin is still growing, like yet bull run so there is every possibilities that what you gain in the bullrun if go into dividends like stock or whatever it would be pretty much better to stick on bitcoin except there are urgent and pressing need to do other investment, which I still do not value selling off my stashed bitcoin to something less productive to me.

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How profitable is it to invest in dividend stocks if someone has a lot of money from bitcoin? What kind of online brokers can do this kind of trading…? If someone has like 20 million usd worth of bitcoin, how could they grow this amount many x over?
Why trying to sell bitcoin to another asset which the profits can't be compared holding bitcoin for long and as I know bitcoin is still growing, like yet bull run so there is every possibilities that what you gain in the bullrun if go into dividends like stock or whatever it would be pretty much better to stick on bitcoin except there are urgent and pressing need to do other investment, which I still do not value selling off my stashed bitcoin to something less productive to me.
Maybe if you talk about diversification it will not be a problem rather than selling bitcoin entirely I think for me who has experience investing in bitcoin, talking about dividends will certainly not be the same as capital gains like what is in bitcoin, we are not like funding a company with sheets of ownership of a company, in bitcoin only capital gains are available.

I don't agree with you that we have to keep all the money in bitcoin, I think there is no need to put limits on where we can invest, if we want to diversify of course it is a good choice, but if you look at the profits in stocks it depends on the performance of the company and bitcoin it depends on where to buy bitcoin, so the multiples that will be possible to get can be much greater.

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