Can a sport team initiate its own loss?

[Wexnident]

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It's possible for them to do so yeah, but unless it was the last resort I definitely wouldn't want them to do that lol. Players, especially in sports like football always have a lifespan. I don't think spending a year (or maybe more realistically) to try to kick out their coach is worth it not to mention that it's also a blemish towards their sports resume.

Anyway in doing so they just really need the agreement of the players. After that, it's really just determining who's going to be the key players who are going to throw really, whether it be by fouling, missing goals and whatnot. I'd actually say that's a lot easier compared to match fixing.

[Agbamoni]

Of course, it is possible for a football team to deliberately initiate its own losses if they don't like the coach, and they want a new coach. Since the players knows that it is unprofessional to complain about the coach or tell the management to fire him, they will do it their own way by intentionally losing their matches so that the management and fans will believe that the coach is incompetent and fire him.

It happened last year with Roma, when Mourinho was complaining that he needed new players in addition to the old ones. Roma players from my own understanding were deliberately losing their matches so that Mourino will be fired and after Mourinho got fired and De Rosi took over, the team won straight three matches to make the club feel that Mourinho was their problem. Whose tactics did they use to win those three consecutive wins, was it not Mourinho game tactics. De Rossi finally got sacked because he couldn't improve the club's performance after sometimes.

For a team to lose deliberately to another team is a dumb thing to do. If they intend to set the coach up so that he will be sacked, then they can do it another way. The reason why I say the idea is dumb is because losing consistently is going to affect their stats and their value in the market table. I don't think any player would want such a bad record for himself. Also, eyes may be on them, since the new coach would want to change most of the players if the plan was executed without any failure.

One way they could set their coach to be sacked is by filing an appeal to the board of directors. I think players are allowed to do that. The board will take hid to their appeal and see to it. If there is a need to change the coach, then they will if they don't see any big deal then the appeal will be rejected. Still why plan for the coach to be sacked when there can be improvement?

[Cantsay]

It’s possible for them to do something like that and then get a new coach - but the issue now is this series of losses that they are going to incure won’t backfire at them? Like their team is always losing one match after another won’t it also affect the reputation of the team? Won’t people start looking down on them as a loser team?

And if one of them doesn’t agree with this strategy of theirs and decide to snitch on them don’t you think the whole team will be penalized for their action? Like I said before, it’s possible for them to do something like that but the risks involved are just too high.

[nimogsm]

yes, as many here have correctly pointed out, most likely the problem may be in the coach himself and the boycott of the internal affairs of the club itself. such a prtttest is no longer a novelty, here they have given enough examples of different clubs from different football leagues. But I also think that here it is not possible without additional income, it would be stupid to know the result of the event and not bet on it.

[uneng]

Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Yes, it's totally possible. Players can reduce their personal performance on purpose in protest towards something which is annoying them. I can't say if it is what really happened on the cases you mentioned above, because these are just theories, but what I can say is that such theories make total sense and can be applied in practice.

As we know, coaches don't last long when their teams accumulate consecutive losses and bad performances. Take the example of brazilian team Flamengo with their previous coach, Tite. Flamengo has the most expensive squad in Brazil, and it was playing poorly, losing important matches. The fans immediately got enraged and ordered his dismissal, and he is already out of the team. I'm not saying that players sabotaged the coach in this case, but I just mean how easy it is to get rid of a coach, especially if we are talking about a popular team, heavy on influence and status.

[Davidvictorson]

Of course, it is possible for a football team to deliberately initiate its own losses if they don't like the coach, and they want a new coach. Since the players knows that it is unprofessional to complain about the coach or tell the management to fire him, they will do it their own way by intentionally losing their matches so that the management and fans will believe that the coach is incompetent and fire him.

Yes, a sports team can do that. As a matte of fact there have been cases of that in the past. One of which happened in the Netherland during a lower league competitions. It happened in the 2017 -18 season. I can recall the name of the team but I remember that it was obvious they were playing to lose the competition having gotten to the finals. It was investigated and they faced the consequences for their action which was them being given some banned for play-offs and not getting promoted to a higher league. The rule of football or any sports is that you as a team must make every effort to win and when it is obvious you are doing the opposite, there is a penalty for that. Read the rules here - https://www.theifab.com/laws/latest/about-the-laws/

[Solosanz]

Intentionally lose is actually illegal, a top tier league or competition will not allow that.

But, technically it's possible, just like when we were still young, we often cooperate with our friends to lie with our teachers or parents in order to going out or something like that. As long as there's no one admit or expose if we're working together in order to intentionally lose certain match, no one will know, they can only create a conspiracy.

[adzino]

The question this topic is dedicated to in full looks like this: can a football team (or a team from another sport) initiate a loss or a series of losses of its own free will in order to achieve some of its goals?
In one book about sports betting, I read an interesting case about an English football team. I will not mention its name, since not everyone agrees that this is exactly how it happened. As the author of the book wrote about it. In short, the matter was that the players of the football team did not like its coach and they really wanted to change this coach. But since they did not have the legal right to do such things, they resorted to a cunning tactic. They deliberately began to lose one match after another in order to change the coach and thus ruin his reputation. Do you believe in this version of events?
The second case happened with one regional Russian team, whose funding was sharply reduced. In protest or simply because there was no point in playing better (according to some authors), this team also began to deliberately lose matches with equal teams.
Do you think this is the right explanation?
Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Players can do that on any game, but I am pretty much sure it is illegal and might result in players getting banned or imposed with fines. Such unfair practice might even make their whole team get banned from all international competitive games. They are violating the rules of the games and most likely breaking their contract. They are getting paid to play well. So yeah, they should try their best. And think about their team standings. They will drop down a lot. And lets not forget about the fans that support them...
Just curious, if they aren't satisfied with their coach, why don't they just file an official complain and not play at all until the coach has been replaced? I am sure they cant fire a whole squad over a coach.

[Dr.Bitcoin_Strange]

Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

This topic reminds me of when I was still in secondary school, then there was a very wicked and strict woman sent to my school to do her 6 months education practice (teaching practice). The woman was very wicked and not friendly, she behaved as if the world revolves around her head.

So, we the students in the class she was handling planned on how we were going to deal with her and the plan we came up with was to play dumb on the day her supervisor will come to invigilate how she is performing in the practice.

As the day drew near, she started acting all friendly, pleading with us to make sure we respond to her while she's teaching us in the presence of her supervisor. She even gave told us all the question she was going to ask each of us that day and told us to memorize the answers. We agree.

Reaching that day of her supervision, her supervisor was right there in our class and she was confidentially teaching us, while the supervisor was given her some remark in his own record book. When it got to where she started asking us question, everyone pretended like we don't even know what she was talking about. Such action from us made her supervisor to think that she has not been teaching us very well and it caused her a lot of problems in her program.

In conclusion, what you are saying can actually be possible if there's an agreement among the players to do so. If one player tries to do that, he can quickly be replaced but if it's a general decision among the players, it can happen.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

As the author of the book wrote about it. In short, the matter was that the players of the football team did not like its coach and they really wanted to change this coach. But since they did not have the legal right to do such things, they resorted to a cunning tactic. They deliberately began to lose one match after another in order to change the coach and thus ruin his reputation. Do you believe in this version of events?

Could it be Manchester United he was referring to? Because it's clear only Manchester United has been performing poorly lately, of which many have been wishing Eric Ten Hag gets sacked for his inability to get a second win ever since Man-United gave Barnsley 7 goals to Nill and since then, it's been consistent lose or draw.

Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Yes, it's really possible for a club to deliberately loses a match if there is a financial offer more than what they are likely to gain if they win such game, and I'm sure this strategy can only be common in small leagues which is not financially buoyant to find the affairs of the club. Unlike big clubs such as Manchester City, United, Chelsea or Arsenal who valued reputation to petty financial profit.

[Samlucky O]

In short, the matter was that the players of the football team did not like its coach and they really wanted to change this coach. But since they did not have the legal right to do such things, they resorted to a cunning tactic. They deliberately began to lose one match after another in order to change the coach and thus ruin his reputation. Do you believe in this version of events?

Yes I believe in such events of a team loosing match one after another for their coach to be removed. But I don't see that as a wise decision. because some coach might be good but their actions makes them looks bad. some coaches just need enough time to bring the best in them and trust me they will do better. While a club is called a team is the unity and cooperation they have. If such cooperation is not there it is no longer a team. To cut the long story short, people can get the best from a worst person if well understood.

[shield132]

The question this topic is dedicated to in full looks like this: can a football team (or a team from another sport) initiate a loss or a series of losses of its own free will in order to achieve some of its goals?
In one book about sports betting, I read an interesting case about an English football team. I will not mention its name, since not everyone agrees that this is exactly how it happened. As the author of the book wrote about it. In short, the matter was that the players of the football team did not like its coach and they really wanted to change this coach. But since they did not have the legal right to do such things, they resorted to a cunning tactic. They deliberately began to lose one match after another in order to change the coach and thus ruin his reputation. Do you believe in this version of events?
The second case happened with one regional Russian team, whose funding was sharply reduced. In protest or simply because there was no point in playing better (according to some authors), this team also began to deliberately lose matches with equal teams.
Do you think this is the right explanation?
Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Yes, that can happen. Players in one of the local football club initiated a series of losses after not getting paid in time but since my country and local league is not popular, it was not a problem here but I believe that in the Premier League that can be a problem. To be fair, this is very interesting to discuss. If we follow logic, the football club should be punished if they lose deliberately because football is a very big business and behind clubs and players, there are millions of people and lots of bookmakers.

For instance, as a goal keeper, you agree with your team to loose a certain game just to punish your coach and you consistently conceed goals upon goals, and in the process, it gets recorded for you as part of the goals you've conceeded and and it might affect your reputation in the process. It only means that while trying to punish your coach, you're in the same process punishing yourself.

As a goalkeeper, it's easy to lose a certain game but overall, losses in a row affect every player's reputation. Once it gets revealed that players lose on purpose, clubs hesitate to buy them. If they become popular, then this will affect their career and will always be a black spot for them. Overall, every bad session lowers the price of the player.

[MAAManda]

In one book about sports betting, I read an interesting case about an English football team. I will not mention its name, since not everyone agrees that this is exactly how it happened. As the author of the book wrote about it. In short, the matter was that the players of the football team did not like its coach and they really wanted to change this coach. But since they did not have the legal right to do such things, they resorted to a cunning tactic. They deliberately began to lose one match after another in order to change the coach and thus ruin his reputation. Do you believe in this version of events?

Which one, Leeds United or Chelsea, Brian Clough or Mourinho?

Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Every athlete who plays in a professional competition must be professional, such things should not be allowed in modern football. Moreover, even if they have no intention or connection with the mafia, it would still be considered match fixing. So, the answer is it's not possible (IMO).

[Perfectbaby]

Do you think this is the right explanation?
Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Anything is possible to happen provided the team player or most of the percentage of the players doesn't like the coach they can implement a strategy to remove the coach or the person who is standing as an obstacle.

But I think most times it depends on the reputation of the club, I mean this can be common with the junior or local clubs/team, I don't think professional club would try this silly play because everyone are being paid well so I don't see any reason why they would conspired against the coach in the club just for their self interest and gain..

[coin-investor]

Do you think this is the right explanation?
Do you think it is possible for a team in modern football to want to initiate a loss of their own free will? I mean by their own free will, not by the will of a coach or match-fixing agents from outside.

Its possible, not only on football but also on other sports teams and individual sports, but they have to do it perfectly because sports spectators have discerning eyes and they easily spot errors, and mishaps that are done intentionally.
Since this is a team effort, it cannot be done by one man. its a team effort to fix the game, its easier for an individual like a boxer to fix a match, but for a team to do it perfectly, they need to rehearse or properly communicate to make it appear real, that they have no intention to fix the game.

[Nrcewker]

Now a days, more than a team, the players think of their individual games. If they didn’t perform well in the matches, they will be replaced by other players. Also, if they didn’t play well, then their overall brand value also gets affected. Hence, at present, these types of gameplays are not possible where a team deliberately loses the game. I have also heard cases where team owners hint their own players to lose the game and the team owner places bets on the rival team to make money.

[Miles2006]

After reading the first story I actually thought about Manchester United and Ten Hag (coach) ever since a new season started no offense, let’s be honest. If what op wrote is accurate I strongly agree, seeing what some teams play it’s obvious they don’t represent their management in a proper manner. This reason is understandable with few point because not all team work with unity, it’s either the coach is the problem or the player but there’s a way the management can handle such situation.

[taufik123]

Now a days, more than a team, the players think of their individual games. If they didn’t perform well in the matches, they will be replaced by other players. Also, if they didn’t play well, then their overall brand value also gets affected. Hence, at present, these types of gameplays are not possible where a team deliberately loses the game. I have also heard cases where team owners hint their own players to lose the game and the team owner places bets on the rival team to make money.

Such a team picker will only hinder the progress of his own team,
after all, if it is a big team there will certainly be no such crazy practice and maybe for some players it may happen.

Playing poorly so that the team loses can happen for the sake of betting made off the field.
There are many soccer players who benefit from betting agreements that are made, provided that their team loses or does not produce any goals.

It is illegal and strictly prohibited, so anyone caught running the business will be given a warning or even dismissed from the club.

[Ojima-ojo]

Sincerely speaking, since there is what we call friendly match definitely there will be what a team could consider not too important or even a lose to motivate the opposition team in some cases, and infact sometimes players or some coach get paid to get some match fixed, so what do we say about that one since this are cases of a clear agreement and some less active performance just to favor another team regardless.

[noormcs5]

Anyway in doing so they just really need the agreement of the players. After that, it's really just determining who's going to be the key players who are going to throw really, whether it be by fouling, missing goals and whatnot. I'd actually say that's a lot easier compared to match fixing.

Isn't it a match fixing if the team or players are deliberately showing poor performances?

One condition is that they are in a situation where they may lose a match and then this may eliminate another strong team out of the tournament, such tactics are often found in sports but that does not hurt the team deciding this to lose purposefully.