World needs more creators and builders of smart ways not just consumers

[kotajikikox]

Woo. Has anyone noticed that the name of OP doesn’t match the post? It’s so long. :O

Lol Op we appreciate the topic but you do not need to be putting out these much lengthy posts. I don’t know if you really just have much to say but sometimes keeping it concise and simple makes a better read and becomes more attractive for members

It is also to keep ourselves on track …with a post this long, it’s very easy to get sidetracked and lose the original point

I believe there should be balance in a way but not much that it makes people not do anything. Consumers are the reason why they are doing it in the first place. It’s the profit. I think that the point of having more builders is more innovation would be done but being a consumer is for everyone. You’re a builder and consumer. It’s both worlds.

The problem is not that there are consumers but that there is too much consumers.

There honestly are a lot of cons to the ever growing consumption of most people. The main issue I have is how it affects the environment. I have seen many people buy one thing just to use it one time never again and then buy the same exact product maybe a little better and then just like the first one, throw it again. These people have no regard for the impact they make on the environment and the community.

[mindrust]

Actually it t is the other way around, there are more than enough manufacturers/producers/creators. We need more consumers. That’s how capitalism works. If everybody makes stuff, who is going to pay for the stuff?  More creators mean more competition. More competition means, less profits for the businesses. If the number of consumers increase, profit margins will rise. Many developed nations take immigrants into their countries because of that reason alone. It is because their enlightened citizens refuse make damn kids. They need them poor stupid immigrants that multiply like rabbits. It is good for the economy and capitalism. Yay

[shield132]

Actually it t is the other way around, there are more than enough manufacturers/producers/creators. We need more consumers. That’s how capitalism works. If everybody makes stuff, who is going to pay for the stuff?  More creators mean more competition. More competition means, less profits for the businesses. If the number of consumers increase, profit margins will rise. Many developed nations take immigrants into their countries because of that reason alone. It is because their enlightened citizens refuse make damn kids. They need them poor stupid immigrants that multiply like rabbits. It is good for the economy and capitalism. Yay

If there are more than enough manufacturers and producers, then why are things unaffordable for people? Many people work overtimes and live paycheck to paycheck, can't afford more than food and it takes them years to buy a car or smartphone. I think that more competition makes things affordable.
For example, if you leave only Apple in smartphone business, they'll make lots of money but when the number of producers increased and companies like Xiaomi and Huawei entered the market, they pushed other companies to make more affordable smartphones with more innovations than before. High competition forces companies to find cheaper but good quality alternatives, find new ways to save money without losing quality and etc.
Btw number of consumers matter, I agree with you. Everything has to be balanced.

[iBaba]

Actually it t is the other way around, there are more than enough manufacturers/producers/creators. We need more consumers. That’s how capitalism works. If everybody makes stuff, who is going to pay for the stuff?  More creators mean more competition. More competition means, less profits for the businesses. If the number of consumers increase, profit margins will rise. Many developed nations take immigrants into their countries because of that reason alone. It is because their enlightened citizens refuse make damn kids. They need them poor stupid immigrants that multiply like rabbits. It is good for the economy and capitalism. Yay

Capitalism believes the power of production and ownership should remain in the hands of some few individuals while the rest of the people are consumers. It isn't just as you simply mentioned above. Whether capitalism or not, what we are saying is there's need for more people to control resources so as to depopulate the amount of consumers by making a few of those become producers and manufacturers while also opening more opportunities for more people to control have access to their resources and contribute to the economy.

I know many countries around the world that operate this kind of economic ideology where only a few class of individuals are granted with business favors and collaborations whereas others are left at the mercy of their fate. It is usually a deliberate efforts by the government to regulate the big businesses around town to continue to maintain that capitalist driven economy.

[letteredhub]

Most inventors who created many important things we use today didn't monetise their inventions. They invented these things to make the world better. But we have the opposite now where almost everything is done for profit. The young generation doesn't care about going to school and learning professional courses. Even those in school are more focused on creating contents and promoting them on social media and earning quick money. The younger generation has a common slogan in my country "School is a scam". They prefer to join the race of social media celebrities who flaunt their wealth rather than become struggling professionals.       

The world has mainly evolved but it's  however unfortunate it's involving fast to a hard landing surface where just a pretty few elites are benefiting mostly from everything in a teeming population of over 8 billion people. Capitalist ideal has characterized the world today that scarcely can we have any invention created without been monetized, which in all essence people don't invent forbthe sole purpose of improving humans lives but for their best interest, and I think with where we have reached there's nothing that can be done about it.

[dezoel]

Woo. Has anyone noticed that the name of OP doesn’t match the post? It’s so long. :O

Lol Op we appreciate the topic but you do not need to be putting out these much lengthy posts. I don’t know if you really just have much to say but sometimes keeping it concise and simple makes a better read and becomes more attractive for members

It is also to keep ourselves on track …with a post this long, it’s very easy to get sidetracked and lose the original point

This is some sort of new spam post type that some people are testing, no idea why they are doing this, but those "777" people as you can see, or "2222" or whatever, they are probably all the same person and this one looks like it could be the same person as well, they just spam. The difference is, they do not share gibberish, they actually do start topics with some good logic behind it.

Like for example, the world DO need more creators, we need to keep improving the world, the way we are advancing in technology is insane for example, but there are still some ways we need to improve, like education is still lacking, health is still lacking.

For example Cancer kills about 10 million people a year, A YEAR, by logic covid killed 7 million people so far since we first saw someone having it, and the whole world went to lockdown afterwards, we all remember how people were scared of it, and yet more people die of cancer every single year, and we do not have enough advance medication for it that saves everyone easily, people still die, over ten million of them.

Sure there are improvements and advances, but obviously not enough if this many people die from it, we need to reach to a point where we can say we have a pill you take and you are better in a month or two, after 75 years of being top two reason of death, there should have been better advancement of medical world. So we definitely need people who are great creators of everything, not just consumers.

[eightdots]

Most inventors who created many important things we use today didn't monetise their inventions. They invented these things to make the world better. But we have the opposite now where almost everything is done for profit. The young generation doesn't care about going to school and learning professional courses. Even those in school are more focused on creating contents and promoting them on social media and earning quick money. The younger generation has a common slogan in my country "School is a scam". They prefer to join the race of social media celebrities who flaunt their wealth rather than become struggling professionals.       

The world has mainly evolved but it's  however unfortunate it's involving fast to a hard landing surface where just a pretty few elites are benefiting mostly from everything in a teeming population of over 8 billion people. Capitalist ideal has characterized the world today that scarcely can we have any invention created without been monetized, which in all essence people don't invent forbthe sole purpose of improving humans lives but for their best interest, and I think with where we have reached there's nothing that can be done about it.

The desire to earn money quickly pushes the new generation and many people to do easy jobs. They do not have the desire to learn a craft. It is not right to blame them for this because they live in such a time and there are options to earn money on social media. The important point is whether this income will be a permanent income. There is a lot of talk about education, some say that the duration of education is too long, and some say that they will not be able to have a profession that will provide them with a living as a result of education.

As time passed, it became difficult to access inventions or things that benefit people. Money was prioritized in many things and therefore the world lost some of its values.

[AmoreJaz]

OP, I suggest you to create shorter posts because it's too long for the idea that you put into it. Yes, you could very shortly write that your main idea is how lesser and lesser innovators and more unskilled people we have.
At the moment, I don't like the direction we are heading towards. It looks like we prioritize fun and entertainment instead of science, engineering, biology and chemistry. It's not like that these field are dead, no, there are innovations but not at the rate you want OP and I think that's normal. Usually, wars accelerate these fields and improved quality of life decreases motivation to work in these fields because it's easier to have a good life by less mental and physical effort.
By the way, do not worry, there is a natural selection in this world, which will always do its job. If there is a demand, there will be a supply, that will happen quickly. Just have a look how rapidly medicine and absolutely everything advanced in a few decades during World Wars.

Think of the fact that we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast. In this event, it showed that the world of science can make things happen if they want to at a short notice. Since private companies funded a lot of these works, money was not a problem but the time.
With this scenario - it can show that if scientists are being well-equipped, they can do a lot more things for a short period of time. And that means, money and resources are very important to push thru certain advancements because skilled people are already available.

[MRY]

OP, I suggest you to create shorter posts because it's too long for the idea that you put into it. Yes, you could very shortly write that your main idea is how lesser and lesser innovators and more unskilled people we have.
At the moment, I don't like the direction we are heading towards. It looks like we prioritize fun and entertainment instead of science, engineering, biology and chemistry. It's not like that these field are dead, no, there are innovations but not at the rate you want OP and I think that's normal. Usually, wars accelerate these fields and improved quality of life decreases motivation to work in these fields because it's easier to have a good life by less mental and physical effort.
By the way, do not worry, there is a natural selection in this world, which will always do its job. If there is a demand, there will be a supply, that will happen quickly. Just have a look how rapidly medicine and absolutely everything advanced in a few decades during World Wars.

Let us put it this way, we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast.

Well, We know that a number of good scientists are there into the world but scarcity of fund is often the biggest factor that hinders it to invent something new. Still, when the Covid nineteen crisis came, we were able to note how researchers from different global countries started pulling their selves together, cooperating and going to thescenes with full effort in order to come up with emergent interventions, including vaccines. Despite time constraint, the group was able to mobilize on existing resources and transfer knowledge towards attainment of a particular goal in mind. This shows how crucial supporter ship and cooperation is in order to solve some of the big issues facing science and health internationally.

[Accardo]

Let us put it this way, we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast.

Haven't you noticed the huge decline in people interested in natural sciences? That wasn't same few centuries back, when people learnt all core sciences; physics and chemistry, and put them into practice. Those courses helped creativity and improved the way humans think. Even in the tech world, programmers who have a great knowledge of science build the best innovative software that helps change the world.

[Gladitorcomeback]

If there are more than enough manufacturers and producers, then why are things unaffordable for people? Many people work overtimes and live paycheck to paycheck, can't afford more than food and it takes them years to buy a car or smartphone.

That is because of inflation, and just because there are more than enough manufacturers, it doesn't mean there won't be inflation in a region. Every manufacturer will have its own demand and price for its products. When there is high inflation, product costs increase which makes them increase the prices of the products even more because they have to cover product cost and their profit as well.

I think that more competition makes things affordable.

Yes but not all the time. Sometimes, especially when there is high inflation in a country, competition doesn't help get the prices of goods down and the reason behind that is probably what I said above. The production cost increases which compels them to increase the price of the gids.

[adultcrypto]

Actually it t is the other way around, there are more than enough manufacturers/producers/creators. We need more consumers. That’s how capitalism works. If everybody makes stuff, who is going to pay for the stuff?  More creators mean more competition. More competition means, less profits for the businesses. If the number of consumers increase, profit margins will rise. Many developed nations take immigrants into their countries because of that reason alone. It is because their enlightened citizens refuse make damn kids. They need them poor stupid immigrants that multiply like rabbits. It is good for the economy and capitalism. Yay

I will disagree with you a little base on my country of origin where practically everything is imported. This leaves room for more businesses, manufacturers, innovators and so on, to harness the vast natural resources and convert them to finished products for both internal consumption and export. At present, most of our raw materials such as crude oil and mineral deposits are exported due to non-existence of the manufacturing sector. This is actually not the fault of anyone but just a result of failure in leadership.

[bias]

If there are more than enough manufacturers and producers, then why are things unaffordable for people?

Because they ask more than people can give. Companies don't make products based on people's actual needs or their average salary (even if they try to show us as they did) but based on their profit. If people get paid more, then probably this "problem" will be solved. But you know, this isn't a one-solution problem.

Everything has to be balanced.

Balance is lost years now man and we are unable to do a thing. Companies do whatever they want everywhere while governments don't give the slightest attention to their citizen's needs and act like brokerages of their countries by selling even the air that they breathe.

[Findingnemo]

Let us put it this way, we have a lot of scientists worldwide, however, most of them are underfunded and so they can't push thru their works. Hence, they have limitations on what they can produce or create. However, when pandemic hit the world, I believe, a lot of scientists collaborated to come up with new medicines specifically the vaccines. As there was time constraints, they needed to work fast.

Haven't you noticed the huge decline in people interested in natural sciences? That wasn't same few centuries back, when people learnt all core sciences; physics and chemistry, and put them into practice. Those courses helped creativity and improved the way humans think. Even in the tech world, programmers who have a great knowledge of science build the best innovative software that helps change the world.

Things are evolving but it doesn't mean the interest is shifted from science, there's always people researching about the things and lot of old theories have been obsolete due to the new innovations but I am not sure all those research can be monetized so those are mostly done out of their personal interest. Coming up with the solutions is the ultimate goal that can give opportunities to make money so if people are interested in that, then obviously they will follow that path to reach their goals.

[DrBeer]

By now we have a lot consumers than real innovation to do things smart ways.
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On the one hand, you're right. More specifically, in terms of idealizing the world. But... the problem is that if there are not MORE consumers, there will be no one to consume all these innovations and their products, which means that no one will pay and motivate the “creators” to take the next steps and create new products and services. Unfortunately, the real market is built on commodity-money relations.....

[tygeade]

Things are evolving but it doesn't mean the interest is shifted from science, there's always people researching about the things and lot of old theories have been obsolete due to the new innovations but I am not sure all those research can be monetized so those are mostly done out of their personal interest. Coming up with the solutions is the ultimate goal that can give opportunities to make money so if people are interested in that, then obviously they will follow that path to reach their goals.

The trick to make people be interested in science seems to be two possibilities, either the research should lead them closer to a noble prize or anything like that, as in a respect in the field they work on, or they need to make a lot of money from it. These are usually not the same type of people, but there could be some overlapped as well.

People who want respect, end up focusing on things that may not end up getting too much money, because they work on things that will not help the world in the sense that it would be profitable, but it will help the world solve another puzzle, the ones who want money though, will solve a solution so important, we would all be willing to spend our money to get our hands o nit, so that is why these two are usually separate. In any case, I can see how this will progress the world, the more research we do, the more we are going to get better results and be happy, it shouldn't really be something on debate, we need to keep putting more money into research and development.

[CK485]

Things are evolving but it doesn't mean the interest is shifted from science, there's always people researching about the things and lot of old theories have been obsolete due to the new innovations but I am not sure all those research can be monetized so those are mostly done out of their personal interest. Coming up with the solutions is the ultimate goal that can give opportunities to make money so if people are interested in that, then obviously they will follow that path to reach their goals.

in other words, sains and its enthusiasts are looking for more information, with many continuing to research, but from the perspective of certain groups of people, because firstly the expenditure is quite large, and they also expect to get back what they spend, so that the finances obtained from research are more, that is something that usually happens.

[Baofeng]

By now we have a lot consumers than real innovation to do things smart ways.
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On the one hand, you're right. More specifically, in terms of idealizing the world. But... the problem is that if there are not MORE consumers, there will be no one to consume all these innovations and their products, which means that no one will pay and motivate the “creators” to take the next steps and create new products and services. Unfortunately, the real market is built on commodity-money relations.....

I don't know, but I think there are a lot of products to be sold, there could be new as we all know with that advent of social media, sales are ramping up and for me, there are always new product and innovations around the world and there will be always be balance of consumers=product itself.

Most likely it boils down to the cost of the product, perhaps these innovators wanted it to be cheap, sacrificing the quality itself.

However, I still do think that there are a lot for everyone it might be that the market is really saturated at this point.

[viljy]

90% of consumers are middle class. In about ~30 years, the middle class will be completely eliminated by the super-rich, as this class is no longer needed. The middle class was created by the rich out of fear of communism. Now that the Cold War has been won, the middle class is not needed. So there will be fewer consumers. As for the many smart people you write about, the super-rich don't need these smart people in large numbers.  A few hundred or thousands of super-intelligent slaves are enough for them. The rest will all be just slaves. And there won't be many others, perhaps no more than 500 million on the whole planet. The super-rich will destroy the extra people. Don't you like this prospect? But there's nothing to be done. Everything has already been decided by the globalists.

[DrBeer]

90% of consumers are middle class. In about ~30 years, the middle class will be completely eliminated by the super-rich, as this class is no longer needed. The middle class was created by the rich out of fear of communism. Now that the Cold War has been won, the middle class is not needed. So there will be fewer consumers. As for the many smart people you write about, the super-rich don't need these smart people in large numbers.  A few hundred or thousands of super-intelligent slaves are enough for them. The rest will all be just slaves. And there won't be many others, perhaps no more than 500 million on the whole planet. The super-rich will destroy the extra people. Don't you like this prospect? But there's nothing to be done. Everything has already been decided by the globalists.

Well, I have a slightly different opinion. The middle class is the engine of the economy - they produce and they consume. And they do a LOT of both. It is under these conditions that a country's economy works qualitatively. Poor population = weak economy. The super-rich need power, and power is not a primitive slave system with poor and backward people, but a progressive one, with technology, a working economy, the right electorate that enjoys life ...