Do signature campaigns silently go all-in?

[bitmover]

I was in contact with both Ledger and Trezor a few years back regarding marketing on bitcointalk. Trezor said they'd consider it (but never looked into it further) while the ledger rep I was talking to asked what I could do with a $500/month marketing budget. lol

I was once contacted by ledger as well a few years ago, when I wrote some articles in a popular crypto magazine in Brazil. They sent me 2 new devices and gave me some ref codes, but that was it. Never paid me anything.... So I just wrote a review about the devices they sent me, which were pretty good (ledger reputation was much better that time)

[dkbit98]

I was once contacted by ledger as well a few years ago, when I wrote some articles in a popular crypto magazine in Brazil. They sent me 2 new devices and gave me some ref codes, but that was it. Never paid me anything.... So I just wrote a review about the devices they sent me, which were pretty good (ledger reputation was much better that time)

I think they prefer to use this method of sending free devices to youtubers and social media promoters, instead of paying money for signature campaigns.
Not long ago I worked with Satochip for a while and we had similar giveaway with their HW cards for bicointalk community.
I also think that exchanges are better suited for signature promotion in forum than hardware wallets.

[apogio]

I was in contact with both Ledger and Trezor a few years back regarding marketing on bitcointalk. Trezor said they'd consider it (but never looked into it further) while the ledger rep I was talking to asked what I could do with a $500/month marketing budget. lol

Out of curiousity, did they approach you? This would mean that, at least, they have the option deep inside their heads.
I like Trezor, I dislike Ledger, but I would promote both of them, since I am strongly in favour of well established hardware devices.

[Hhampuz]

Out of curiousity, did they approach you? This would mean that, at least, they have the option deep inside their heads.
I like Trezor, I dislike Ledger, but I would promote both of them, since I am strongly in favour of well established hardware devices.

I initiated the contact, and explained bitcointalk to them 

But this was back in... 2017/2018 can't remember, just a long ass time ago.

[apogio]

I initiated the contact, and explained bitcointalk to them  

But this was back in... 2017/2018 can't remember, just a long ass time ago.

I keep forgetting I am the one who is new in the forum!  

Trezor was the most reputable device back then, being one of the oldest in the sector.

The thing is, if you contacted them in 2017-18 then perhaps today, having much stronger financial statuses, they may consider a better deal. Or they may not consider a deal at all because of the same reason  

[LoyceV]

The thing is, if you contacted them in 2017-18 then perhaps today, having much stronger financial statuses, they may consider a better deal. Or they may not consider a deal at all because of the same reason  

I'd expect them to be even less interested: they already have more customers, while Bitcointalk has less active users than it used to have..

[apogio]

I'd expect them to be even less interested: they already have more customers, while Bitcointalk has less active users than it used to have..

Me too, but you never know. By the way, I 'd be interested to see data concerning the number of daily active users. I would like to compare the difference between the number of active users depending on if they wear a paid signature or not. Do you have any related data in your data paradise?

[LoyceV]

I 'd be interested to see data concerning the number of daily active users. I would like to compare the difference between the number of active users depending on if they wear a paid signature or not.

I have this old weekly data, which you can compare to current data. But those are only active posters, I have no data on "guests".

[Synchronice]

Some of those companies mentioned above probably will never show up in this forum ever again. Bitpay is a good example. These guys were actively trying to push their big block agenda and they delayed segwit update for a long time. When they were doing that, people in this forum were also actively promoting btcpay and cursing bitpay. So,  I don't think bitpay will ever come here and advertise their services.

Did BitPay want to advertise on this forum? By the way, Wasabi Wallet relaunched their signature campaign after the ban of mixers despite the fact that people were cursing Wasabi

@Wonder Work,
All I'm saying is that if Bitcointalk hires a team of web developers, marketers, project managers and so on, just like Reddit, this forum will become a very popular place in the crypto world.

P.S. I didn't say that being famous doesn't require excessive marketing, I said quite the opposite.

Trezor said they'd consider it (but never looked into it further) while the ledger rep I was talking to asked what I could do with a $500/month marketing budget. lol

$500 a month? Really? I think that that was a polite no from them

Out of curiousity, did they approach you? This would mean that, at least, they have the option deep inside their heads.
I like Trezor, I dislike Ledger, but I would promote both of them, since I am strongly in favour of well established hardware devices.

Do as you wish but if I were you, I wouldn't promote Ledger because Ledger is a shady company. They have been promising that keys never left the secure chip but then came up with an update called Ledger Recover. Promoting them is a harm to my mind.

[Stablexcoin]

Trezor said they'd consider it (but never looked into it further) while the ledger rep I was talking to asked what I could do with a $500/month marketing budget. lol

Any company would never know the benefit of marketing in the Bitcointalk community unless they have tried it at least for once. I wont blame them, they don't trust their instincts when it comes to marketing their products. If not for anything the entire companies that has run their marketing in the forum are not stupid, if they don't see the benefit they wont do it in the first place.

$500 per month budget is too small. Did you give them a response or you just ignore the conversation?

[Alone055]

Any company would never know the benefit of marketing in the Bitcointalk community unless they have tried it at least for once. I wont blame them, they don't trust their instincts when it comes to marketing their products. If not for anything the entire companies that has run their marketing in the forum are not stupid, if they don't see the benefit they wont do it in the first place.

$500 per month budget is too small. Did you give them a response or you just ignore the conversation?

What I believe is also a reason why hardware wallet companies are not eager to advertise their products in this forum or aren't ready to spend a lot of money on it is that they are pretty much receiving free advertisement thanks to Bitcoin and its adoption. Anywhere on the internet, including this forum, when a newbie asks what wallet they should use to store their Bitcoin safely, most people would tell them to use hardware wallets and suggest a few names, which usually have Ledger or Trezor in them. Even if they aren't given names, once people say they should buy hardware wallets, they search for them and will probably reach the ones primarily used and suggested in articles, blogs, etc.

Most of us promote their services and products without getting paid, and they probably know this. This might not be why they are not interested in promoting themselves here, but I'm just saying they are already getting promoted without spending money on it.

[Hhampuz]

$500 per month budget is too small. Did you give them a response or you just ignore the conversation?

I told them the budget didn't make sense, saying they could instead offer free hardware or discounts whatever and try that route but they never got back to me.

[Alpha Marine]

I just assume about the reverse, I mean most other businesses except gambling must be making enough revenue without the need of marketing here; like exchanges, payment processors and crypto debit cards. This might be the reason, we are not seeing most other business are not being advertised here.

I don't believe there's a thing like "enough revenue", when there is a way to make more. These companies want as much profit as possible so there can only be enough when there's no other way to make more.
I read something in the comments when a user said it may be because of lack of KYC on the forum or something like that and I agree.

I also agree more gambling sites are here because of there are no much restrictions. Social media like Facebook, twitter, Tiktok don't allow gambling ads, and even if they do, there are so many restrictions that prevents them from getting their money's worth, but with this forum,they can bypass all that.

[hilariousandco]

Is it because bitcoin projects can't be easily monetized?
Is it because even if they were monetized, they couldn't have the profit margins that casinos have, so they could be efficiently advertised?
Or is it because only mixers could bring money to the campaingers? I highly doubt that banning mixers was such a powerful measure, that lead to the "all-in" from signature campaings...

Gambling is hugely profitable so that's why they advertise here as they're one of the only industries that probably see signature campaigns as worth it. For others it's probably not profitable or they don't have the budgets to throw around on such advertising. The are a few exchanges that advertise though and they are probably the second biggest advertisers here.