[Boxing] Inoue vs Goodman December 24th

[robelneo]

However, he has nothing to offer to Inoue at this point and so just like you, this should be Inoue's last fight in the division. And we really wanted him to fight in the US and not just box in Japan and moving him for him, there will be a lot of competitions because he might be small at 126 lbs, or we will not known if he is really that good if he don't want to go to US and move up in the next weight class.

Inoue's management team should realize that the US market is the place to establish his legacy. If he allows Arum to run the full course of his career, I'm sure he can give him legacy fights. There are great names in the featherweight and the lightweight division; he should move forward just like Pacquiao did. He is being compared to Pacquiao when, in fact, the only future Hall of Famer that he fought and beat is an aging Donaire.
Japan has been great for Inoue's career, but he needs to move forward, and the US is the best place to be.

[btc_angela]

However, he has nothing to offer to Inoue at this point and so just like you, this should be Inoue's last fight in the division. And we really wanted him to fight in the US and not just box in Japan and moving him for him, there will be a lot of competitions because he might be small at 126 lbs, or we will not known if he is really that good if he don't want to go to US and move up in the next weight class.

Inoue's management team should realize that the US market is the place to establish his legacy. If he allows Arum to run the full course of his career, I'm sure he can give him legacy fights. There are great names in the featherweight and the lightweight division; he should move forward just like Pacquiao did. He is being compared to Pacquiao when, in fact, the only future Hall of Famer that he fought and beat is an aging Donaire.
Japan has been great for Inoue's career, but he needs to move forward, and the US is the best place to be.

Exactly, but I think Inoue knows that, and so Bob Arum will have to push him to fight at 126 lbs in the US to cement more of his legacy. Yeah, he had been undisputed, but later on there will be discussions how he could be great if he fights in the US just like Manny did during his prime.

He had beaten a lot of great fighters, but it seems that once he beat them, they are no longer the same. Just like Fulton or Nery for that matter. If Fulton and Nery could make a career then maybe we can judge them later as how Inoue beat them in their prime years via knockout.

[bisdak40]

Inoue's management team should realize that the US market is the place to establish his legacy. If he allows Arum to run the full course of his career, I'm sure he can give him legacy fights. There are great names in the featherweight and the lightweight division; he should move forward just like Pacquiao did. He is being compared to Pacquiao when, in fact, the only future Hall of Famer that he fought and beat is an aging Donaire.
Japan has been great for Inoue's career, but he needs to move forward, and the US is the best place to be.

Can't agree with you more on this. Money-wise, there's no need to fight outside of Japan as the he earned is more or less the same but with regards to popularity, fighting in Las Vegas could make Inoue a more popular boxer. It's just unfortunate for Inoue in this 122-lb division that there is not much resistance for him, i mean there are no popular names that he could beat unlike Manny Pacquaio where he beat the likes of Barrera, Morales, Hatton, Marquez, etc. I think it is time for Bob Arum to take charge and not give Inoue an opponent who is only popular in Japan.

[freedomgo]

It’s already December.. it’s about time to keep this thread active with some updates. Do we have any news for this month?

Come on, this fight needs to generate some hype, especially since Inoue is still the most exciting boxer in the lower divisions. Although this looks like a mismatch, let’s at least discuss what Goodman might bring to upset Inoue. As far as I know, Inoue will be moving up after this fight, so it’s our last chance to see him dominate in the super bantamweight division.

[Kemarit]

It’s already December.. it’s about time to keep this thread active with some updates. Do we have any news for this month?

Come on, this fight needs to generate some hype, especially since Inoue is still the most exciting boxer in the lower divisions. Although this looks like a mismatch, let’s at least discuss what Goodman might bring to upset Inoue. As far as I know, Inoue will be moving up after this fight, so it’s our last chance to see him dominate in the super bantamweight division.

No update but this is already a go if I'm not mistaken, and they could be really in the middle of their training and maybe next week they are going to take it slow already as to not over train.

I haven't check their social media though, maybe Inoue might have posted some of his sparring session as he is known to do that, besides the scheduled public display of their trainings. I do not see anything special that Sam Goodman can bring in this fight. Inoue has seen the best at the bantamweight and super bantamweight, and with that we all know that it's just a matter of time on which round he is going to put Goodman in the canvass.

[Wapfika]

It’s already December.. it’s about time to keep this thread active with some updates. Do we have any news for this month?

Come on, this fight needs to generate some hype, especially since Inoue is still the most exciting boxer in the lower divisions. Although this looks like a mismatch, let’s at least discuss what Goodman might bring to upset Inoue. As far as I know, Inoue will be moving up after this fight, so it’s our last chance to see him dominate in the super bantamweight division.

No update but this is already a go if I'm not mistaken, and they could be really in the middle of their training and maybe next week they are going to take it slow already as to not over train.

I haven't check their social media though, maybe Inoue might have posted some of his sparring session as he is known to do that, besides the scheduled public display of their trainings. I do not see anything special that Sam Goodman can bring in this fight. Inoue has seen the best at the bantamweight and super bantamweight, and with that we all know that it's just a matter of time on which round he is going to put Goodman in the canvass.

This match has less impact because we all know that Goodman is a complete mismatch against the monster considering his poor performance on his past matches. Another Ausie being forced to fight on Japan with prime boxer like Naoya will surely result to be a one-sided match.

Besides, both fighter is not noisy in social media while the majority of fans is rooting on single boxer here.

We can consider this as +1 to Naoya records. Ikm not expecting upset on this match.

[acroman08]

Does anyone know if the odds for this fight have been released on other bookies? right now I can only find odds for this fight on sportsbet.io and it is Naoya Inoue:1.02 - Sam Goodman:8.20.

There is a controversial in this match, Akhmadaliev is trying to block this fight as he contest that he should be given the chance to fight for belt here. He should be the number 1 or the mandatory as per WBA.

He contest that he was bypassed before, when WBA allowed Inoue to fight Nery. But now, he should be given that status as mandatory now. But Inoue chooses Sam Goodman.

I am not entirely sure how the system on mandatory fight works but no offence to that guy, but what does he expect? his last fight was in Dec 2023 and then his next after will be on Dec 12 this year, the dude has a 1-year gap between his fights.

[btc_angela]

^^ Goodman is 9:1 underdog

As per Stake:



It was not about how long his lay-off is, he is talking about him being the mandatory and so the governing bodies should order Inoue to face him. But it seems that is not the case as this fight is not going to be postponed by Inoue.

Maybe if Inoue will stay one more fight here, he could give Akhmadaliev a chance. But there are also reports saying that this could be Inoue's last fight and so with that, he will be moving at 130 lbs next year and fight in the US.

[milewilda]

^^ Goodman is 9:1 underdog

As per Stake:



It was not about how long his lay-off is, he is talking about him being the mandatory and so the governing bodies should order Inoue to face him. But it seems that is not the case as this fight is not going to be postponed by Inoue.

Maybe if Inoue will stay one more fight here, he could give Akhmadaliev a chance. But there are also reports saying that this could be Inoue's last fight and so with that, he will be moving at 130 lbs next year and fight in the US.

We do all understand on what Akhmadaliev feels specially if he's been that skipped out even if its pretty obvious or according into the rules about mandatory then it should really be him fighting against Inoue but this one turned out that he had been skipped out. I dont know if he's that been skipped out before on which had been mentioned above with that Nery fight on which we dont really actually know on what are those arrangements been made in between.
If this one turned out to fight with another fighter then there's nothing he can do even if he would really be making up some arguements. If they wont really be giving you out the chance to fight against Inoue but rather they did arranged up on Goodman instead, maybe he might be next in the line but just like on what you had said that this might be the last fight before he moves up. Where did you get such information?
I havent been able to read up that he would consider on moving up on this weight division.

[bbc.reporter]

Any updates on this fight? Feels like it’s flying under the radar since fans aren’t really talking about it. If it were Casimero vs. Inoue, though, you can bet we’d be talking about it nonstop. Real fans would be all over any updates, whether it’s legit news or just rumors making the rounds.

The last time I heard it was still a go, so we can only speculate that they have been training very hard already as it's just 4 weeks from now. Usually Inoue's fight is low key as the fight is being held in Japan and news could be just inside that country, just like in his last fight wherein it was just a week before the fight that we have heard news about it. And the only thing that could have been news worthy is that if Inoue gets injured (again), but so far no news yet.

@BitMaxz - Inoue and Casimero hasn't fought before and I doubt that it will happen in the future as Inoue is reported to move up in another weight class after this and fight in the US next year as per his US manager, Bob Arum.

I believe, there's little noise on this match because there's no controversial news out of this match. As of now, it is looking that Goodman is a heavy underdog with early odds of 12x, whereas, Inoue's odds only at about 1.05-1.18x. So we can expect not many people will bet on this line, but maybe on what round this fight will end up with. Some sites are predicting to finish this at round 6-8, having Inoue knocking out Goodman. But should not really be very confident as Goodman has also good record.

On the note of Casimero being in the picture, I can understand a lot of people here are fans of Casimero. But the status of Inoue right now is quite far already for Casimero to have a match up with him.

There is a controversial in this match, Akhmadaliev is trying to block this fight as he contest that he should be given the chance to fight for belt here. He should be the number 1 or the mandatory as per WBA.

He contest that he was bypassed before, when WBA allowed Inoue to fight Nery. But now, he should be given that status as mandatory now. But Inoue chooses Sam Goodman.

Hehehehe this man is clearly fighting for his slot to be the next challenger for Inoue because it is very much known that this will be Inoue's last fight in this weight division of super bantamweight. There was an interview by Ariel Helwani on master Turki of Saudi Arabia where Turki mentioned that he is in negotiations with Inoue's management team to promote a fight in Saudi with Inoue to fight against someone from the featherweight division. I wish this will be Brandon Figueroa hehehe.

[freedomgo]

Does anyone know if the odds for this fight have been released on other bookies? right now I can only find odds for this fight on sportsbet.io and it is Naoya Inoue:1.02 - Sam Goodman:8.20.

That’s not really surprising, but it’s a shame that Inoue, being such a popular boxer, is fighting someone who is a complete mismatch. And Bob Arum has the audacity to claim that Inoue could be better than Pacquiao? I’ve never seen Pacquiao fight someone who was such a mismatch based on the odds.

Our people's champ was never afraid to take risks, even if it meant going up against the toughest opponents, and that’s why he truly deserves to be in the Hall of Fame because he’s truly a legend.

[Jating]

^^ Goodman is 9:1 underdog

As per Stake:



It was not about how long his lay-off is, he is talking about him being the mandatory and so the governing bodies should order Inoue to face him. But it seems that is not the case as this fight is not going to be postponed by Inoue.

Maybe if Inoue will stay one more fight here, he could give Akhmadaliev a chance. But there are also reports saying that this could be Inoue's last fight and so with that, he will be moving at 130 lbs next year and fight in the US.

We do all understand on what Akhmadaliev feels specially if he's been that skipped out even if its pretty obvious or according into the rules about mandatory then it should really be him fighting against Inoue but this one turned out that he had been skipped out. I dont know if he's that been skipped out before on which had been mentioned above with that Nery fight on which we dont really actually know on what are those arrangements been made in between.
If this one turned out to fight with another fighter then there's nothing he can do even if he would really be making up some arguements. If they wont really be giving you out the chance to fight against Inoue but rather they did arranged up on Goodman instead, maybe he might be next in the line but just like on what you had said that this might be the last fight before he moves up. Where did you get such information?
I havent been able to read up that he would consider on moving up on this weight division.

As far as I know, the governing body allowed Inoue to fight Nery that time and they gave that free pass. Maybe Akhmadaliev thought that after that, he will be given the chance. Unfortunately he did, and I'm thinking that Inoue's camp didn't fight him because he has nothing to offer. And Inoue already beat the man who beat Akhmadaliev so  that might be their thinking as well.

For Inoue moving up, that news was broken by Bob Arum himself in several interviews,

Arum speculated an April date might be best for Inoue’s first fight in the U.S. since 2021 and his fourth bout here overall.

https://www.boxingscene.com/bob-arum-on-naoya-inoue-christmas-eve-card-us-return-junto-nakatani-showdown-awaits--185732

[acroman08]

^^ Goodman is 9:1 underdog

As per Stake:

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It was not about how long his lay-off is, he is talking about him being the mandatory and so the governing bodies should order Inoue to face him. But it seems that is not the case as this fight is not going to be postponed by Inoue.

Maybe if Inoue will stay one more fight here, he could give Akhmadaliev a chance. But there are also reports saying that this could be Inoue's last fight and so with that, he will be moving at 130 lbs next year and fight in the US.

I see, so I read more into it(I didn't really watch the video which is my fault), and it looks like Akhmadaliev has been picked as the mandatory match but Inoue's team looked for another boxer to fight. but if Inoue is not gonna fight the chosen boxer for the mandatory fight shouldn't he vacate the belt? I mean, their team is basically ignoring the rules of the mandatory fight.

regarding him staying for one more fight, yeah maybe, but shouldn't their team fulfil the mandatory fight first instead of looking for another boxer that wasn't picked for the mandatory fight?

[FinneysTrueVision]

I see, so I read more into it(I didn't really watch the video which is my fault), and it looks like Akhmadaliev has been picked as the mandatory match but Inoue's team looked for another boxer to fight. but if Inoue is not gonna fight the chosen boxer for the mandatory fight shouldn't he vacate the belt? I mean, their team is basically ignoring the rules of the mandatory fight.

regarding him staying for one more fight, yeah maybe, but shouldn't their team fulfil the mandatory fight first instead of looking for another boxer that wasn't picked for the mandatory fight?

Sam Goodman is also a mandatory challenger. This is the problem with having too many sanctioning organizations. Having a single mandatory challenger when there is an undisputed champion would be the logical thing to do, but that would dilute their fees, so they each have their own eliminators and determine a different mandatory.

The whole process is kind of a sham anyways because they will give preferential treatment to fighters of certain promotions. For example, Edgar Berlanga did nothing to deserve a mandatory position but he was a marketable fighter signed with Matchroom and that’s how he ended up being Canelo’s challenger.

[Botnake]

Sam Goodman is also a mandatory challenger. This is the problem with having too many sanctioning organizations. Having a single mandatory challenger when there is an undisputed champion would be the logical thing to do, but that would dilute their fees, so they each have their own eliminators and determine a different mandatory.

The whole process is kind of a sham anyways because they will give preferential treatment to fighters of certain promotions. For example, Edgar Berlanga did nothing to deserve a mandatory position but he was a marketable fighter signed with Matchroom and that’s how he ended up being Canelo’s challenger.

There are plenty of mandatory challengers, but since Inoue’s camp has the final say on whom he’ll fight, they’ll choose whoever benefits him the most. Honestly, I think Inoue would easily beat any of the mandatory challengers, so the outcome would likely be the same.

The real issue is that Inoue doesn’t have any significant challenges left in this division. It’s clear - he just needs to move up to find tougher competition.

[Baofeng]

In a recent post by Top Rank, Inoue confirms that he is going to win and that he will fight in the US in 2025.



https://www.instagram.com/p/DDYJIlBhGRh/?img_index=1

Perhaps he is not underestimating Sam Goodman as a boxer. But we all know that there is no blue print yet on how to beat the Monster. Although he was knock down in his last fight against Nery, but majority thinks that Sam has nothing new to offer to Inoue in this fight.

[dansus021]

Maybe Inoue’s trying to beat Casimero’s first-round TKO. Let’s see how it goes. 

Well I agree with you lets take a look the data first - https://box.live/fights/inoue-vs-goodman/



From here alone we can take a look that Inoue has really huge advante he has lot of fight and experience before and not only that he also fight in Japan that basically playing in his cage  so its like the winrate for Inoue is big in my opinion.

and According to https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/118575-inoue-vs-goodman#sectionPicks

[Maslate]

2% only for Goodman ... look like that survey is fase, .. .just kidding...

Well, honestly, this fight is a mismatch and shouldn’t have been scheduled. It’s just a waste of time for Inoue, and fans won’t be thrilled to watch since the outcome is already predictable.

I’ve seen Casimero’s name mentioned, and I think Inoue should have chosen to fight him before moving up. That would have been an exciting matchup, even if Casimero isn’t a mandatory contender.

[Kemarit]

2% only for Goodman ... look like that survey is fase, .. .just kidding...

Well, honestly, this fight is a mismatch and shouldn’t have been scheduled. It’s just a waste of time for Inoue, and fans won’t be thrilled to watch since the outcome is already predictable.

I’ve seen Casimero’s name mentioned, and I think Inoue should have chosen to fight him before moving up. That would have been an exciting matchup, even if Casimero isn’t a mandatory contender.

But Casimero will gain nothing from fighting Casimero now, at least with Goodman, he was the mandatory. Casimero hasn't shown us anything at 122 lbs except in his last fight. But it might be too late as Inoue has been talking about moving up in weight in his latest video being shared.

Yes, this could be a mismatch, same as he last couple of fights, but then again, it's up to his opponents to show him something, and so he just toyed with them early and try to get as much rounds as he can before destroying them with a big knockout. Just like Nery, he did score a knockdown, but then Inoue takes him seriously after that and then that devastating hook take care of Nery for good.

[acroman08]

Sam Goodman is also a mandatory challenger. This is the problem with having too many sanctioning organizations. Having a single mandatory challenger when there is an undisputed champion would be the logical thing to do, but that would dilute their fees, so they each have their own eliminators and determine a different mandatory.

I see, so Sam Goodman is chosen as the Mandatory fight for Inoue from a Different Sanctioning organization and Akhmadaliev is also the chosen mandatory fight for Inoue from another Sanctioning organization.

The whole process is kind of a sham anyways because they will give preferential treatment to fighters of certain promotions. For example, Edgar Berlanga did nothing to deserve a mandatory position but he was a marketable fighter signed with Matchroom and that’s how he ended up being Canelo’s challenger.

I read that each organization has an "eliminator fight" to pick who will be the mandatory challenger for the champion. so did Edgar Berlanga not go through this process?