[Boxing] Inoue vs Goodman December 24th

[Sanitough]

But Casimero will gain nothing from fighting Casimero now, at least with Goodman, he was the mandatory. Casimero hasn't shown us anything at 122 lbs except in his last fight. But it might be too late as Inoue has been talking about moving up in weight in his latest video being shared.

You mean  "Inoue"? ( must be typo error)...Same as the previous fight, Inoue is only gaining money but not much of a recognition anymore since he already won the undisputed champ last year I think.. so there's actually no reason to stay, and if he wants to make more money, then he should fight Casimero, maybe try to visit the Philippines, and not just fight in Japan... I'm sure if that fight will happen, that would be the biggest fight of his career, next to his fight with Donaire.

[GreatArkansas]

Odds update:

Still, it's ugly odds. It's giving the power of an undefeated Japanese boxer. Even though Sam Goodman is also an undefeated boxer, the odds says it all.

In a recent post by Top Rank, Inoue confirms that he is going to win and that he will fight in the US in 2025.
(....)

This is also what I am waiting, see Inoue fight outside Japan Overall, Inoue is a great boxer, he will just prove the beef going on about the venue of every boxing he wins.

[FinneysTrueVision]

The whole process is kind of a sham anyways because they will give preferential treatment to fighters of certain promotions. For example, Edgar Berlanga did nothing to deserve a mandatory position but he was a marketable fighter signed with Matchroom and that’s how he ended up being Canelo’s challenger.

I read that each organization has an "eliminator fight" to pick who will be the mandatory challenger for the champion. so did Edgar Berlanga not go through this process?

It is difficult to explain because of the WBA’s nonsense, but Berlanga did fight an eliminator, although he was only ranked #8, so even they didn’t think he was one of the most deserving fighters. To make matters worse, David Morrell was the ‘regular' world champion and should have been Canelo’s mandatory. Canelo wasn’t interested in fighting him, so the WBA offered Morrell the ‘regular' world title at 175. Because of all the corruption, it is a very confusing mess.

[Ziskinberg]

This is also what I am waiting, see Inoue fight outside Japan Overall, Inoue is a great boxer, he will just prove the beef going on about the venue of every boxing he wins.

He has already proven he can fight and win outside his country. However, once he moves up in weight, he’ll be the challenger, and if he wants to become an undisputed champion, he’ll have no choice but to stay in the U.S., which I believe he can handle. Going back to this fight, with Inoue’s odds at 1.05, it’s a high-risk bet, but I’d also call it free money as there’s no way Goodman can upset Inoue.

[acroman08]

The whole process is kind of a sham anyways because they will give preferential treatment to fighters of certain promotions. For example, Edgar Berlanga did nothing to deserve a mandatory position but he was a marketable fighter signed with Matchroom and that’s how he ended up being Canelo’s challenger.

I read that each organization has an "eliminator fight" to pick who will be the mandatory challenger for the champion. so did Edgar Berlanga not go through this process?

It is difficult to explain because of the WBA’s nonsense, but Berlanga did fight an eliminator, although he was only ranked #8, so even they didn’t think he was one of the most deserving fighters. To make matters worse, David Morrell was the ‘regular' world champion and should have been Canelo’s mandatory. Canelo wasn’t interested in fighting him, so the WBA offered Morrell the ‘regular' world title at 175. Because of all the corruption, it is a very confusing mess.

this sounds like they are setting a cherry picked fight for Canelo to make it easier(no offense to Berlanga) for him to keep his title and make his record look better.

I miss the boxing where the boxers are looking for a challenge where they risk their title and record to prove something. today it is a bit rare to see fight like that because it seems like a lot of boxer are looking for a fight to make their record look nice.

[Yaunfitda]

This is also what I am waiting, see Inoue fight outside Japan Overall, Inoue is a great boxer, he will just prove the beef going on about the venue of every boxing he wins.

He has already proven he can fight and win outside his country. However, once he moves up in weight, he’ll be the challenger, and if he wants to become an undisputed champion, he’ll have no choice but to stay in the U.S., which I believe he can handle. Going back to this fight, with Inoue’s odds at 1.05, it’s a high-risk bet, but I’d also call it free money as there’s no way Goodman can upset Inoue.

Definitely, he can handle going into the US, he had done it before, although I think he might not be that comfortable because in his native Japan, he is considered to be their top boxer and so it comes with a lot of perks. And he can fill the stadium whenever he fights in his country.

Nevertheless, going into the US, he will be exposed to US boxing fans and for sure he will be like their because fans wanted to see a boxer that can finished their opponents and knocking them down in fashion, just like what Manny did when he was in his prime.

[Kemarit]

But Casimero will gain nothing from fighting Casimero now, at least with Goodman, he was the mandatory. Casimero hasn't shown us anything at 122 lbs except in his last fight. But it might be too late as Inoue has been talking about moving up in weight in his latest video being shared.

You mean  "Inoue"? ( must be typo error)...Same as the previous fight, Inoue is only gaining money but not much of a recognition anymore since he already won the undisputed champ last year I think.. so there's actually no reason to stay, and if he wants to make more money, then he should fight Casimero, maybe try to visit the Philippines, and not just fight in Japan... I'm sure if that fight will happen, that would be the biggest fight of his career, next to his fight with Donaire.

Thanks for pointing that out, yeah, it was just a honest mistake on my end. Or if he wants to make more money, then go out of Japan and fight in the US. And that was their plan in 2025, so for sure everyone is very happy to see Inoue doing that in his career.

And I guess it's all about the timing, 126 lbs division is also loaded, so him fighting those boxers who is American or Mexican, it's going to be huge in the States as we will see another Asian boxer trying to conquer the US.

Forget about Casimero, him and others should just wait for Inoue to move up in weight and then they can go fight for the vacant belts.

[TravelMug]

The whole process is kind of a sham anyways because they will give preferential treatment to fighters of certain promotions. For example, Edgar Berlanga did nothing to deserve a mandatory position but he was a marketable fighter signed with Matchroom and that’s how he ended up being Canelo’s challenger.

I read that each organization has an "eliminator fight" to pick who will be the mandatory challenger for the champion. so did Edgar Berlanga not go through this process?

It is difficult to explain because of the WBA’s nonsense, but Berlanga did fight an eliminator, although he was only ranked #8, so even they didn’t think he was one of the most deserving fighters. To make matters worse, David Morrell was the ‘regular' world champion and should have been Canelo’s mandatory. Canelo wasn’t interested in fighting him, so the WBA offered Morrell the ‘regular' world title at 175. Because of all the corruption, it is a very confusing mess.

this sounds like they are setting a cherry picked fight for Canelo to make it easier(no offense to Berlanga) for him to keep his title and make his record look better.

I miss the boxing where the boxers are looking for a challenge where they risk their title and record to prove something. today it is a bit rare to see fight like that because it seems like a lot of boxer are looking for a fight to make their record look nice.

And it is also the influence of Canelo, that he can even fight who he chooses to. There was a convention before and I think that it was a WBC and Canelo expresses that he wants to go to CW and fight the champion, and the Sulaiman says yes.

Unfortunately, it didn't happen as Bivol spoils everything for him. And after that lost, we have seen the Canelo has been cherry picking his opponents.

Anyhow, it's good to hear from Inoue itself that he will fight in the US in 2025 and we will hold him accountable if that didn't happen.

[Sanitough]

Forget about Casimero, him and others should just wait for Inoue to move up in weight and then they can go fight for the vacant belts.

That’s going to be tough for Casimero if he follows that path. I think it’s better for him to stay in the same division. Soon Inoue will move up, the belts will be vacant, giving Casimero a good chance to become a champion again. And what if (just a wild thought), Inoue fails at featherweight and decides to come back, only to find that Casimero has already become the undisputed champ? Maybe then Casimero could play the same game Inoue is playing now and refuse to give him a shot. How was that sound?

[Finestream]

That’s going to be tough for Casimero if he follows that path. I think it’s better for him to stay in the same division. Soon Inoue will move up, the belts will be vacant, giving Casimero a good chance to become a champion again. And what if (just a wild thought), Inoue fails at featherweight and decides to come back, only to find that Casimero has already become the undisputed champ? Maybe then Casimero could play the same game Inoue is playing now and refuse to give him a shot. How was that sound?

You have a wild imagination, but I’d love to see that scenario become reality. Casimero’s years are already numbered, so it would be great to see him retire as a champ. However, until Inoue vacates those belts, it won’t happen. So we’re pushing him to move on so Casimero can take over, sounds like a great hidden agenda for the biased fans, 

[TravelMug]

That’s going to be tough for Casimero if he follows that path. I think it’s better for him to stay in the same division. Soon Inoue will move up, the belts will be vacant, giving Casimero a good chance to become a champion again. And what if (just a wild thought), Inoue fails at featherweight and decides to come back, only to find that Casimero has already become the undisputed champ? Maybe then Casimero could play the same game Inoue is playing now and refuse to give him a shot. How was that sound?

You have a wild imagination, but I’d love to see that scenario become reality. Casimero’s years are already numbered, so it would be great to see him retire as a champ. However, until Inoue vacates those belts, it won’t happen. So we’re pushing him to move on so Casimero can take over, sounds like a great hidden agenda for the biased fans, 

Yes, and that is the plan of the other champions too, like Nery. I forget the website that I've read, but that was their plans and I wouldn't be surprised that if Inoue moves up, we will see the names of Nery fighting for the vacated belt.

Or maybe Goodman as well, will stay at 122 lbs and also in the mixed for those belts. So they are going to get a lot of benefits, including Casimero once Inoue fight at 126 lbs next year. And so it's a blessing in disguise for him, even if he didn't get the chance to crack Inoue, he will have the chance to get another belt before he retires as we all know that Casimero is not getting any younger.

[Franctoshi]

Forget about Casimero, him and others should just wait for Inoue to move up in weight and then they can go fight for the vacant belts.

That’s going to be tough for Casimero if he follows that path. I think it’s better for him to stay in the same division. Soon Inoue will move up, the belts will be vacant, giving Casimero a good chance to become a champion again. And what if (just a wild thought), Inoue fails at featherweight and decides to come back, only to find that Casimero has already become the undisputed champ? Maybe then Casimero could play the same game Inoue is playing now and refuse to give him a shot. How was that sound?

This senario doesn't seem far-fetched, Casimero do not have that much of time left to retire, but it will be nice to see Casimero have a triumphant exit of his career, keeping stand on same division will give him that high chance to retire with a champ belt .Also on the other hand, Inoue grip on those belts is on the higher side considering Casimero limited time and surprises are part of the game and we may be getting one from Inoue.

[Dave1]

Forget about Casimero, him and others should just wait for Inoue to move up in weight and then they can go fight for the vacant belts.

That’s going to be tough for Casimero if he follows that path. I think it’s better for him to stay in the same division. Soon Inoue will move up, the belts will be vacant, giving Casimero a good chance to become a champion again. And what if (just a wild thought), Inoue fails at featherweight and decides to come back, only to find that Casimero has already become the undisputed champ? Maybe then Casimero could play the same game Inoue is playing now and refuse to give him a shot. How was that sound?

This senario doesn't seem far-fetched, Casimero do not have that much of time left to retire, but it will be nice to see Casimero have a triumphant exit of his career, keeping stand on same division will give him that high chance to retire with a champ belt .Also on the other hand, Inoue grip on those belts is on the higher side considering Casimero limited time and surprises are part of the game and we may be getting one from Inoue.

Right, at this point, we should not be expecting Inoue vs Casimero. And if I'm Casimero, I will just move on and not chase the Japanese as they have a different path, as he will move to 126 lbs and then fight in the US.

While Casimero will campaign at 122 lbs and he will have a chance to at least fight for the vacant belt. He is rank already at his division if I'm not mistaken. And before we forget, he used to be WBO champion and with that, I have a feeling that he will be prioritized by this governing body and he might be fight for title eliminator or even for the belt itself once Inoue leave the division for good.

[freedomgo]

Right, at this point, we should not be expecting Inoue vs Casimero. And if I'm Casimero, I will just move on and not chase the Japanese as they have a different path, ...

I have been following the career of Casimero for a while, and I believe he has been chasing Inoue for a while, and now that they’re in the same division, the fight still hasn’t happened. I get what Casimero wants, he’s aiming to become a champion, and to do that, he needs to beat a champion. But Inoue hasn’t given him the chance, even though it’s possible for their camps to arrange the fight.

[cabron]

Right, at this point, we should not be expecting Inoue vs Casimero. And if I'm Casimero, I will just move on and not chase the Japanese as they have a different path, ...

I have been following the career of Casimero for a while, and I believe he has been chasing Inoue for a while, and now that they’re in the same division, the fight still hasn’t happened. I get what Casimero wants, he’s aiming to become a champion, and to do that, he needs to beat a champion. But Inoue hasn’t given him the chance, even though it’s possible for their camps to arrange the fight.

That's what some other boxing analyst says.
But they are also saying Casimiro is risky and they are not going to risk Inoue for Casimero to rise because Casimero is only known in the Philipines Islands whereas Inoue is gaining popularity in the US. They do have plans for Inoue to one day fight his biggest payday in US.

Why is this Inoue vs Goodman not yet in many crypto casinos? Obviously, Inoue is going to be the favorite, I'm curious how much to profit for Inoue by KO.

[cryptomaniac_xxx]

Right, at this point, we should not be expecting Inoue vs Casimero. And if I'm Casimero, I will just move on and not chase the Japanese as they have a different path, ...

I have been following the career of Casimero for a while, and I believe he has been chasing Inoue for a while, and now that they’re in the same division, the fight still hasn’t happened. I get what Casimero wants, he’s aiming to become a champion, and to do that, he needs to beat a champion. But Inoue hasn’t given him the chance, even though it’s possible for their camps to arrange the fight.

They supposed to fight in the before the pandemic if I'm not mistaken, or even in the pandemic itself. But Casimero didn't make the weight against Butler and then Butler beat another Filipino and so he did face Inoue after that.

So it's Casimero's fault though here, he had his chance he blew it off and now that Inoue is way bigger, he will not get the fight that he was hoping for. And with the news that Inoue is going stateside after this and moving to a new division, that chances is now zero.

[terrific]

Why is this Inoue vs Goodman not yet in many crypto casinos? Obviously, Inoue is going to be the favorite, I'm curious how much to profit for Inoue by KO.

I don't know. It should be in there already or maybe we'll see it once we're 2-3 days near to the match.
Most of the matches that I am seeing in the bookies right now are the matches for December 15 and 16. This is from stake.
And maybe the same goes with the other bookies that lists boxing. Let's wait a few more days to see they list this match.

[Ziskinberg]

Nevertheless, going into the US, he will be exposed to US boxing fans and for sure he will be like their because fans wanted to see a boxer that can finished their opponents and knocking them down in fashion, just like what Manny did when he was in his prime.

His real journey to becoming a future Hall of Famer will begin if he starts fighting in the US against the best of the best. Right now, he can’t be compared to Manny, because Manny was a risk-taker who wasn’t afraid to push his limits. That’s why he became the only 8-division champion in history.

As for Inoue, I’m not sure, maybe the next division he moves up to will be his last, as he doesn’t seem to take risks the way Manny did.

[Dave1]

Nevertheless, going into the US, he will be exposed to US boxing fans and for sure he will be like their because fans wanted to see a boxer that can finished their opponents and knocking them down in fashion, just like what Manny did when he was in his prime.

His real journey to becoming a future Hall of Famer will begin if he starts fighting in the US against the best of the best. Right now, he can’t be compared to Manny, because Manny was a risk-taker who wasn’t afraid to push his limits. That’s why he became the only 8-division champion in history.

As for Inoue, I’m not sure, maybe the next division he moves up to will be his last, as he doesn’t seem to take risks the way Manny did.

That's why very hard to compare what Manny did in his prime, yes he lost some fights along the way, but the road he takes is very different from Inoue.  Manny fought the best of his generation in the States and moves up in the division and still carry his power and speed. Although he didn't knockout his opponents as he used to be in the lower division, but that speed kills.

Although I will disagree about Inoue's last stop at Featherweight. Maybe he will go up one more at 130 lbs if he still has it. So let's see how it goes for him when he go to the States and show his talent to the American boxer. And maybe in a year or two, he will be campaigning at Junior Lightweight.

[Ziskinberg]

Nevertheless, going into the US, he will be exposed to US boxing fans and for sure he will be like their because fans wanted to see a boxer that can finished their opponents and knocking them down in fashion, just like what Manny did when he was in his prime.

His real journey to becoming a future Hall of Famer will begin if he starts fighting in the US against the best of the best. Right now, he can’t be compared to Manny, because Manny was a risk-taker who wasn’t afraid to push his limits. That’s why he became the only 8-division champion in history.

As for Inoue, I’m not sure, maybe the next division he moves up to will be his last, as he doesn’t seem to take risks the way Manny did.

That's why very hard to compare what Manny did in his prime, yes he lost some fights along the way, but the road he takes is very different from Inoue.  Manny fought the best of his generation in the States and moves up in the division and still carry his power and speed. Although he didn't knockout his opponents as he used to be in the lower division, but that speed kills.

He pushed his limits, and that’s how he reached that level and earned so much money. His biggest payday was his fight against Mayweather, which turned out to be a one-sided fight. But despite that, people still love him because he’s better than the self-proclaimed "best fighter in the world," who, in reality, is a boring fighter.

Although I will disagree about Inoue's last stop at Featherweight. Maybe he will go up one more at 130 lbs if he still has it. So let's see how it goes for him when he go to the States and show his talent to the American boxer. And maybe in a year or two, he will be campaigning at Junior Lightweight.

That’s just my safest assumption as I believe he doesn’t want to take bigger risks by moving to a division where he might not succeed.
But Bob is wrong if he thinks Inoue is probably better than Pacman.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/naoya-inoue-probably-better-than-pacquiao-says-arum/267271