Israeli associations should be expelled from international competition

[alani123]

Yesterday isrseli ultras of the Macabi Tel Aviv team were seen in the Netherlands picking fights with passerby and shouting incendiary chants that were racist and calling for violence against Arabs. And it's not the first time this team's hooligans have caused serious trouble abroad.

In Athens months ago they were also documented beating passerby and causing a huge scene in Greece's most central square. Isn't it time to question now why was Israel allowed in European competitions in the first place? Of they are on the European competitions, why not allow every other Mediterranean country as well, and might as well allow Palestine and Gaza to compete too.

UEFA has repeatedly tried to punish clubs when their fans unveil "FREE PALESTINE" banners, yet Macabi seems to have total impunity when it's fans nearly kill passerby abroad...  Now is the time for UEFA to completely remove Israel from its competitions. They simply don't deserve the spotlight of they come to our countries and beat people up.

Based on the precedent of Russia and Russian teams being banned also, given that Israel is convicted of genocide they have no place in the competitions.

I just wish UEFA would for once listen to the sentiment of locals a not act as an autocratic organization. It makes sense to remove Israel by every angle you look at it, but I would bet UEFA will remain corrupt even on that simple thing.

Maybe from our side as gamblers we should boycott markets where Israel teams are involved so we can do our part to help this cause..

[FinneysTrueVision]

The media has framed the racist mob as being victims of antisemitism. The Zionist stranglehold over the media and politicians is so strong that there will be no consequences for the Israeli thugs that were the ones who instigated these violent confrontations.

The double standards are blatant. UEFA will prove their fecklessness by tolerating anti-Arab racism and allowing Israeli teams to continue participating, but the second somebody tries to protest against genocide they are the ones who get punished.

[Hirose UK]

This kind of thing has indeed happened several times and really made the image of football worse, but this is also widely associated with an act of concern for humanity even though it is wrong way and can create negative sentiment that is difficult to straighten out.
As football fan I will not side with one another because the most important thing for me is that football can run according to its original purpose which is to become one type of sport that is full of beauty, whatever the decision of the football association I fully support and as long as it is for development and peace there will definitely be many people who always side.

[coin-investor]

As football fan I will not side with one another because the most important thing for me is that football can run according to its original purpose which is to become one type of sport that is full of beauty. whatever the decision of the football association I fully support and as long as it is for development and peace there will definitely be many people who always side.

The essence of sports competition is to foster brotherhood and excellence and politics should have no place with any sports competition, but unfortunately, sports team and fans carried their political passion on the sports.
Even if there are wars in both countries, they should not take part in any sports competition; its the responsibility of the organizations to talk to all parties involved and advise them that their political agenda should have nothing to do with why they are here in the competition.
I don't want to side with anyone, but if the competition is getting tarnished by political agenda, then those involved should not be allowed to compete, so other teams can play and the competition continues.

[alani123]

The media has framed the racist mob as being victims of antisemitism. The Zionist stranglehold over the media and politicians is so strong that there will be no consequences for the Israeli thugs that were the ones who instigated these violent confrontations.

The double standards are blatant. UEFA will prove their fecklessness by tolerating anti-Arab racism and allowing Israeli teams to continue participating, but the second somebody tries to protest against genocide they are the ones who get punished.

Really it's crazy but thanks to the internet and Independent reporting it's becoming increasingly easier to help people see the disconnect between mass media and big organizations from what's happening on the ground.

There's a lot of lower in simple videos people will lost on TikTok or Twitter and that's part of the reason they're trying to strangle these platforms now. Interestingly the big media got called out with evidence on Twitter and some corrected their statements but some even bowed to the Zionist lobby even more and doubled down.

I sometimes hope the boycott would be extended to football and by extension gambling too though. This way maybe UEFA considers their actions too. They aren't going to do it unless forced.

[LGD2Business]

I don't think Israeli teams should be banned, just like Russian teams should not be banned, they should compete. Sports clubs cannot be held responsible for the crimes of governments. But there is hypocrisy in the world on this issue. Organizations that act differently when it comes to Russia act differently when it comes to Israel. Unfortunately, there is no justice even in sports.
I should also mention that after the international break Beşiktaş's home Europa League game will be played in Hungary with no fans. Maccabi Tel-Aviv has an unfair advantage. If it was a home game, Beşiktaş could have won this match with a very different score. Now they will win again, but they will have traveled for nothing, they will be tired, and they will be deprived of the great support of their fans.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Yesterday isrseli ultras of the Macabi Tel Aviv team were seen in the Netherlands picking fights with passerby and shouting incendiary chants that were racist and calling for violence against Arabs. And it's not the first time this team's hooligans have caused serious trouble abroad.

Am not in support of any human illegals ways of treating others, but on the other sides, of this truly happened, we should at least have some evidence to back it up, maybe a reference link or some snapshots of the event as it happens, also, we should not look at these, because violence is in everywhere, what about the ones we don't see, I want to also confirms this that everyone of them could not be the same evil as some of them have chosen to be against other humanbeings, and one of the ways of bringing the people together is by the interactions through football exercise among themselves, it aid friendliness.

[Popkon6]

The nations of Israel must be slandered, because they have killed so many people by fighting too much. It is an unjust oppression because until now Palestine is still crying, Israel has to answer it now. That's why if the Israeli team participates in any game, I don't bet there, because I hate this dirty team. 
But I have no idea if the Israeli team will be banned, I don't think it is easy to ban a team, there must be various reasons.

[Davidvictorson]

Maybe from our side as gamblers we should boycott markets where Israel teams are involved so we can do our part to help this cause..

This isn't even about the teams, it is more about discouraging and condemming any acts that doesn't show any spirit of sportsmanship. There should be penalties for any club found engaged in acts that are againsts what the sports stands for. I don't want to take any sides but I call on UEFA to investigate the matter thoroughly and ensure that there is an appropriate measure that will forestall any such future occurrence anywhere in the world from any team that may have gotten the impression that it is allowed. The right thing should be done.

[cabron]

Somehow, I find this thread fit to be in Politics & Society. But sure, if the said incident happened, I guess it has to be sanctioned. The commission has to act before it gets worse, and if Maccabi Tel-Aviv ultras keep doing this, it could cause trouble if their victims take this matter themselves.

Since they have done this before according to OP, it will already be alarming and the victims could very well be preparing for the next time they'd do it.

[Aanuoluwatofunmi]

Maybe from our side as gamblers we should boycott markets where Israel teams are involved so we can do our part to help this cause..

This isn't even about the teams, it is more about discouraging and condemming any acts that doesn't show any spirit of sportsmanship. There should be penalties for any club found engaged in acts that are againsts what the sports stands for. I don't want to take any sides but I call on UEFA to investigate the matter thoroughly and ensure that there is an appropriate measure that will forestall any such future occurrence anywhere in the world from any team that may have gotten the impression that it is allowed. The right thing should be done.

This alone explains more further on the expectations of everyone involved in this altogether, the countries shouldn't take what they are passing through into gambling and same as the gamblers from our own individuality not to make gambling a thing a disparity or segregation among some ethnic groups all because of their misunderstandings, the aim of gambling is to foster friendliness and unity among the people, if we see that things are not going as we expect from them, then the best approach is to apply a means through which gambling could play a major role in making a settlement over the crisis.

[aioc]

The aim of sports is to foster friendliness and unity among the people; if we see that things are not going as we expect from them, then the best approach is to apply a means through which gambling could play a major role in making a settlement over the crisis.

They have to address this issue and should not let politics ruin the integrity of the organization, Politics should have no place in modern sports; they should have a policy how to address this issue; they should ban organizations or countries that violate their role as participants, and they should also insure the safety of the participants of the sports events.
The interests of the majority of members of the organization should prevail and take out those who causes troubles that ruin the name of the organization.

[swogerino]

It was Maccabi fans who started it all according to Dutch people, Dutch fans I have seen in Linkedin Dutch voices saying that these hooligans of Maccabi started chanting "Death to Arabs" which goes a bit beyond free speech I would say. It is not Israel as a state that needs to be banned from competitions despite the attrocities against children we see on social media each day, they, Fifa/Uefa need to take action case by case and start by banning Maccabi team from participating in Europa League for some time.

I as an European don't want the Middle East conflict to any inch of Europe so Europe should never tolerate such behavior no matter who commits it.

[alani123]

It is beyond crazy that after all the bad press, the mass boycotts on matches with Israel, the cost of security, their hooligans went on Parish today and attacked French viewers... The sheer audacity of these people is so crazy 😧

If UEFA wasn't so boneless they would have banned them and issued fines long time ago. It can't keep happening like this, cities hosting Israel are going through crazy disruptions and their hooligans see virtually no consequence due to Israel's impunity in this.

[Hispo]

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Maybe from our side as gamblers we should boycott markets where Israel teams are involved so we can do our part to help this cause..

Such a boycott in a large scale would be very difficult to pull off, actually and even if an non-negotiable percentage of the gambling/betting community decided not to take part in those market (which Israeli teams are included), still casinos would be making profits of the remaining percentage of people who are neither awae of the whole political situation nor care to follow all up about the conflict in the middle east.
That boycott may need important figures and influencer to get involved and we all know they would chicken out on getting involved in such a topic, they would get black-listed by many organizations, sponsors, and their life would become more difficult, since they live off their personal brand or personal image.
For now, all we can do is to stay informed and report on what we believe it is wrong and the obvious bias there is in sports and also in news.

[LTU_btc]

Don't really want to get involved in such topics, but this time I can't. Because from what I saw Maccabi fans were ones who got attacked. Local hooligans attacked random fans who just came to support their team and were just walking in the city. Though, I don't deny that all of them were peaceful and didn't made any provocations.
Don't want justify things that were done by Israel, Palestine or Hamas, but in general this situation isn't same as with Russia.

[acroman08]

Don't really want to get involved in such topics, but this time I can't. Because from what I saw Maccabi fans were ones who got attacked. Local hooligans attacked random fans who just came to support their team and were just walking in the city. Though, I don't deny that all of them were peaceful and didn't made any provocations.
Don't want justify things that were done by Israel, Palestine or Hamas, but in general this situation isn't same as with Russia.

weird, I came across videos of locals in Amsterdam on TikTok talking about how Maccabi fans were harassing locals, destroying property and even attacked someone. even the Amsterdam police reported that the Maccabi fans were problematic and causing trouble. in the end, if they were actually "peaceful", none of this would have happened.

[AmoreJaz]

Don't really want to get involved in such topics, but this time I can't. Because from what I saw Maccabi fans were ones who got attacked. Local hooligans attacked random fans who just came to support their team and were just walking in the city. Though, I don't deny that all of them were peaceful and didn't made any provocations.
Don't want justify things that were done by Israel, Palestine or Hamas, but in general this situation isn't same as with Russia.

If you will understand or learn more about the situation, it was not because Maccabi fans wanted to get in trouble. If only people would just be happy watching the game and leave peacefully, nobody will get hurt or would get into any trouble.
However, as this kind of scenario can't be totally eradicated, if you are in that situation, better get away as soon as possible and not create more chaos. There are really die-hard fans and opponents. The best thing that you can do is not provoke anyone to employ violence.

[TelolettOm]

I don't think Israeli teams should be banned, just like Russian teams should not be banned, they should compete. Sports clubs cannot be held responsible for the crimes of governments. But there is hypocrisy in the world on this issue. Organizations that act differently when it comes to Russia act differently when it comes to Israel. Unfortunately, there is no justice even in sports.

Dude, please read carefully the OP. It is not about the crime made by the government, but Israeli fans made noise and unpleasant things in the stadium. They also hit opposing team fans. It is not fair if they don't get punishment. It is actually not the first time that Israeli fans attacked the opposing fans, they have done it several times. So, I think they deserve to get punishment, whatever the kind of the punishment.

We don't need to compare with Russian fans, it is a different case. As far as I know, Russian fans don't annoy the opposing fans. So, why they should get punishment? This is a sports field, we must be fair with anyone.

[Agbamoni]

Once investigation has been done completely on this matter and Israeli is found guilty i will be in full support of UEFA to ban them from participating in the European game. I hate countries who are too deep in racism, even in football that tends to reunite countries with past conflicts issue and those who are to take that path, yet these activists still don't want change to take place. Everyone is equal in the eyes of nature. No race is better than the other, we all came from dust and will return to dust. It's high time to keep our ego's and embrace humanity.