Unreasonable ban of Snork1979 account

[Snork1979_]

farsky, I will not continue our political discussions with you here.
Here it will be offtopic (for which no one is ever banned in the Russian section "Politics". But this is a different place and a different topic).

However, you have perfectly demonstrated what style of communication is considered "normal" in the Russian section "Politics" (and for which Xal0lex never bans anyone).
I think this will be useful for everyone present here.

And it's also good that even you, my long-time political opponent, understand perfectly well that Xal0lex banned me not for "trolling and offtop" (which is what he's trying to convince everyone here of), but for my political views:

I repeat, I think you were banned not for your political views, but for promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians

You do understand, right, that what you call "promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians" is precisely political views, and not trolling or offtop?

[farsky]

farsky, I will not continue our political discussions with you here.
Here it will be offtopic (for which no one is ever banned in the Russian section "Politics". But this is a different place and a different topic).

However, you have perfectly demonstrated what style of communication is considered "normal" in the Russian section "Politics" (and for which Xal0lex never bans anyone).
I think this will be useful for everyone present here.

And it's also good that even you, my long-time political opponent, understand perfectly well that Xal0lex banned me not for "trolling and offtop" (which is what he's trying to convince everyone here of), but for my political views:

I repeat, I think you were banned not for your political views, but for promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians

You do understand, right, that what you call "promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians" is precisely political views, and not trolling or offtop?

weak manipulation, you are trying to be polite to our English-speaking friends, and you have nothing to say to my accusations and discussion of your personality.

In my post, I discussed you personally and your behavior, not general political issues.

I have no idea why the moderator formally banned you, I haven't visited the political thread for a long time, it hurts and bitters me to read it, it hurts me what has been happening for almost 3 years.
However, you have long deserved a ban for exactly what I described in my previous post. You are not unique and you are not alone, there are many like you, those who sincerely believe in the rightness of those who started the war.

You spread and propagate evil.
And I vote for continuing the ban.

You wanted discussions about yourself? You got them.

You do understand, right, that what you call "promoting Nazi attitudes towards Ukrainians" is precisely political views, and not trolling or offtop?

You should understand the difference between "political views" and "hate propaganda".
The first is everyone's right,
the second is specific, targeted actions that are classified in a certain way in the criminal code as an offense.

ps. I said it all as it is, and I will not answer you or come here anymore.
Enjoy the attention to yourself.

[Snork1979_]

weak manipulation, you are trying to be polite to our English-speaking friends, and you have nothing to say to my accusations and discussion of your personality.

In my post, I discussed you personally and your behavior, not general political issues.

In my opinion, an attempt to turn the discussion to personalities and insults is called "trolling"?
Or am I wrong?

After my political opponent farsky demonstrated the style of communication accepted in the Russian section "Politics", and that offtopic is the "norm" there, he also decided to demonstrate that trolling is also the "norm" for my political opponents.

However, you have long deserved a ban for exactly what I described in my previous post.

That is, because my political views are completely opposite to yours.
Yes, that's exactly why I got another ban from Xal0lex.
Your wishes were fully satisfied.

Xal0lex, I'll repeat my question:
Why weren't any of my political opponents banned for offtopic and trolling?
If you're such an "honest" and "principled" moderator, how are you trying to convince everyone here?

I don't care who writes what as long as it doesn't violate forum rules.

[Zuzma]

Finally Xal0lex agreed to answer my complaint here and give an explanation.
Thank you!

You know what the saddest part is? That this person never realized why he got the ban.

Yes, I still don't understand, for what exactly did you ban me?
And I've been trying to figure it out for a very long time.
I don't write spam or plagiarism. I just write my opinion on the issues that concern me.
And I do it in exactly the same tone as my opponents in the "Politics" section.
I hope you will now give detailed explanations with examples and links? (and not just general words, as you did above)
So that it is understandable to everyone.

This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying.

Why then do many respected members of the Russian section believe that you banned me unfairly and for my political views?

• Proof 1
• Proof 2
• Proof 3
• Proof 4
• Proof 5

They are all lying too and you are the only one telling the truth?

They express their opinions and discussions according to the topics

You're lying.
Here are just a few examples of offtopic from my opponents in the "Politics" section:

• Offtop about Ukraine in the topic about Israel from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Ukraine and Putin in the topic about Georgia from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Putin in the topic about the Arab-Israeli conflict from Warrior Dance

(what did you write there about "In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about."?)

• Photos of corpses of Russian soldiers with joyful comments from xenon131
• Similar from xenon131

(I have repeatedly reported such inhumane posts by xenon131. But, apparently, Xal0lex believes that they fully comply with the rules of our forum)

As you yourself know very well, in the "Politics" section there are dozens and hundreds of such examples.
If you are such an "honest" moderator as you try to present yourself here, then why did none of my opponents get banned?

I have never been a supporter of Snork-1979, in fact, his way of communicating has always bothered me. I typically avoid discussing politics on this forum. After examining Snork's evidence and reading the negative reviews on his profile today, it seems obvious that the moderator favors him. I am more familiar with OP from our discussions about BTC movement on RuLocal. While his communication style can be irritating at times, it is unfair to label him as a bigger troll compared to the users in the topics Snork-1979 referenced.
Upon reviewing the evidence presented, I have observed blatant animosity based on nationality, encouragement of disdain towards the Russian population, and a belittlement of the Russian people's contributions to global culture. This behavior is completely unacceptable and clearly falls under the category of trolling. It is concerning that these accounts are still active and have not been banned. The moderator failed to acknowledge the derogatory content posted by other users in the discussion and instead chose to reprimand user snork-1979. In my view, it would be more appropriate to suspend multiple accounts with varying viewpoints. This approach may have minimized the need for snork-1979 to defend his nation's reputation. As someone dear to me once remarked, "There are no inherently bad nations, only individuals who behave poorly within them."
if we are going to be completely just and impartial, then the red-flags signs in his profile are the lack of professionalism of the DT members and the unfair weapon used against him. I have not encountered users in the ru locale who were misled by snork in private money transactions.

[GeorgeJohn]

I am filing a complaint about the unjustified ban of Snork1979 account by our moderator of the Russian section of the forum Xal0lex due to his obvious political commitment and bias towards all those who support Russia in this current military conflict (which, I hope, will end soon. Without unnecessary and unnecessary losses on both sides).

in normal circumstances this issue supposed to be addressed in your local board were you will have a community support, because many people who is not from your local will not know the root of the matter, I know that moderators have rules assigned by theymos which they follow and none of them will act contrary above the instructions given to them..so I would have like you to go your local to iron this issue than pulling the legs of your mod to the public.

[Snork1979_]

in normal circumstances this issue should be addressed in your local board were you will have a community support, because many people who are not from your local will not know the root of the matter, I know that moderators have rules assigned by themmos which they follow and none of them will act contrary above the instructions given to them..so I would have like you to go your local to iron this issue than pulling the legs of your mod to the public.

Yes, that's exactly what I did.
I created a complaint in the dedicated topic of the Russian section.
But Xal0lex first deleted my posts there (along with banning my new ones accounts from which I wrote my complaint).
And then, a few days later, he replied that "You can only write in the Meta section and nowhere else." and did not want to discuss my complaint in the Russian section.
So I had to create this topic in Meta.

[logfiles]

in normal circumstances this issue should be addressed in your local board were you will have a community support, because many people who are not from your local will not know the root of the matter, I know that moderators have rules assigned by themmos which they follow and none of them will act contrary above the instructions given to them..so I would have like you to go your local to iron this issue than pulling the legs of your mod to the public.

Yes, that's exactly what I did.
I created a complaint in the dedicated topic of the Russian section.
But Xal0lex first deleted my posts there (along with banning my new ones accounts from which I wrote my complaint).
And then, a few days later, he replied that "You can only write in the Meta section and nowhere else." and did not want to discuss my complaint in the Russian section.
So I had to create this topic in Meta.

I think he (Xal0lex) was going by the Rule of Ban Evasion. Once you are banned, you are only allowed to make an appeal thread and post in it in the Meta board. Any post outside that means you are evading ban.

[mindrust]

Finally Xal0lex agreed to answer my complaint here and give an explanation.
Thank you!

You know what the saddest part is? That this person never realized why he got the ban.

Yes, I still don't understand, for what exactly did you ban me?
And I've been trying to figure it out for a very long time.
I don't write spam or plagiarism. I just write my opinion on the issues that concern me.
And I do it in exactly the same tone as my opponents in the "Politics" section.
I hope you will now give detailed explanations with examples and links? (and not just general words, as you did above)
So that it is understandable to everyone.

This person is trying to accuse me of being politically biased towards anyone who expresses an opinion in favor of Russia. But he is lying.

Why then do many respected members of the Russian section believe that you banned me unfairly and for my political views?

• Proof 1
• Proof 2
• Proof 3
• Proof 4
• Proof 5

They are all lying too and you are the only one telling the truth?

They express their opinions and discussions according to the topics

You're lying.
Here are just a few examples of offtopic from my opponents in the "Politics" section:

• Offtop about Ukraine in the topic about Israel from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Ukraine and Putin in the topic about Georgia from Alik Bahshi
• Offtop about Putin in the topic about the Arab-Israeli conflict from Warrior Dance

(what did you write there about "In contrast, this person is constantly trying to turn the discussion in any topic into a Ukrainian direction (offtopic). And it doesn't matter what the topic is about."?)

• Photos of corpses of Russian soldiers with joyful comments from xenon131
• Similar from xenon131

(I have repeatedly reported such inhumane posts by xenon131. But, apparently, Xal0lex believes that they fully comply with the rules of our forum)

As you yourself know very well, in the "Politics" section there are dozens and hundreds of such examples.
If you are such an "honest" moderator as you try to present yourself here, then why did none of my opponents get banned?

I have never been a supporter of Snork-1979, in fact, his way of communicating has always bothered me. I typically avoid discussing politics on this forum. After examining Snork's evidence and reading the negative reviews on his profile today, it seems obvious that the moderator favors him. I am more familiar with OP from our discussions about BTC movement on RuLocal. While his communication style can be irritating at times, it is unfair to label him as a bigger troll compared to the users in the topics Snork-1979 referenced.
Upon reviewing the evidence presented, I have observed blatant animosity based on nationality, encouragement of disdain towards the Russian population, and a belittlement of the Russian people's contributions to global culture. This behavior is completely unacceptable and clearly falls under the category of trolling. It is concerning that these accounts are still active and have not been banned. The moderator failed to acknowledge the derogatory content posted by other users in the discussion and instead chose to reprimand user snork-1979. In my view, it would be more appropriate to suspend multiple accounts with varying viewpoints. This approach may have minimized the need for snork-1979 to defend his nation's reputation. As someone dear to me once remarked, "There are no inherently bad nations, only individuals who behave poorly within them."
if we are going to be completely just and impartial, then the red-flags signs in his profile are the lack of professionalism of the DT members and the unfair weapon used against him. I have not encountered users in the ru locale who were misled by snork in private money transactions.

snork might be a troll, but he has been trolling because other anti-russian trolls are triggering him. In the end  he gets the punishment and anti-russian trolls continue on with their business. Exactly how they do this in reddit. It is even their official policy to ban pro-russian posts and users after the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. So far it is not the official policy of btt to ban pro-russian posts and users but unofficially? I dunno.

An advice to snork: You don’t have to respond to every damn post that triggers you. Let it go.

[Snork1979_]

if we are going to be completely just and impartial, then the red-flags signs in his profile are the lack of professionalism of the DT members and the unfair weapon used against him. I have not encountered users in the ru locale who were misled by snork in private money transactions.

Thank you for your honest description of the current situation.
Yes, 1miau, Icopress and GazetaBitcoin are obviously using their DT powers for personal purposes, and not for their intended purpose.
But since this is not prohibited by the forum rules, let it remain on their conscience.
Now I can't trust their opinion and put a tilde (~) in my "Trust settings".

I think he (Xal0lex) was going by the Rule of Ban Evasion.

Yeah, I get that.
I was just responding to GeorgeJohn's post above and explaining that "than pulling the legs of your mod to the public" is Xal0lex's choice, not mine.

In the end  he gets the punishment and anti-russian trolls continue on with their business.

Absolutely right. That's how it is.

So far it is not the official policy of btt to ban pro-russian posts and users but unofficially? I dunno.

I am also very interested to know if banning pro-russian posts is now a new BTT policy, or is it an initiative of just a local moderator?

Unfortunately, Xal0lex (who sent me to Meta to file a complaint) only made one statement here without any evidence or explanation, after which ignored the questions asked of him (he probably thinks that if the complaint against him is ignored, then the problem "does not exist").
Therefore, we are unlikely to hear an answer to this question from him either.

I wonder if our Global Moderators read the posts in Meta?

[suchmoon]

Some of the more recent deleted snork's posts preceding the ban - likely rule-breaking posts deleted by mods (sorry about the mangled quotes):

Дa-дa, я тoжe oчeнь нaдeюcь, чтo yкpaинцы paнo или пoзднo "пpocнyтcя" и cнecyт нaxyй peжим cвoeгo вoфки (пpocpoчeннoгo клoyнa, вpeмeннoгo и.o. пpeзидeнтa Дypкaины)
Mы вeдь c тoбoй пpo oднoгo и тoгo жe yкpo-пигмeя "вoфкy" гoвopим ceйчac, я нaдeюcь? Roll Eyes

Увaжaeмыe мoдepaтopы, a мoжнo тyт yжe coздaть oтдeльный тoпик в paздeлe cпaмa "Пиcьмa в Cпopтлoттo oт Aли-c-бaxчи", кyдa вcё этo бecпoлeзнoe гoвнo и пиxaть cкoпoм? Roll Eyes
Hy зaeбaл yжe, чecтнoe cлoвo, этoт cпaм oт нaшeгo мecтнoгo yмcтвeннo-oтcтaлoгo, кoтopый пoчeмy-тo cчитaeт, чтo eгo oчepeдныe выcepы интepecны xoть кoмy-тo кpoмe нeгo caмoгo ...
Beчнo oн тyт кoмy-тo "пишeт пиcьмa". To пpeзидeнтaм paзным, тo жypнaлиcтaм кaким-тo ...
Пpo cyщecтвoвaниe пoчты для пиceм нaшe "oнo", видимo, дaжe нe дoгaдывaeтcя в cилy cвoeгo oтpицaтeльнoгo IQ ...

Quote from: Alik Bahshi on Today at 04:53:17 AM
O кaкoм нapoдe peчь! Xoлoпaм дeмoкpaтия нe нyжнa.

Boт и пpocpoчeнный клoyн тaк peшил.
Пoэтoмy и oтмeнил выбopы для cвoиx xoлoпoв нa Укpaинe Wink

Quote from: Alik Bahshi on Today at 04:53:17 AM
O кaкoм нapoдe peчь! Xoлoпaм дeмoкpaтия нe нyжнa.

O xoлoпax xoxлax, paзyмeeтcя!
Или ты xoxлoв yжe зa "нapoд" нe cчитaeшь тeпepь? Roll Eyes

Quote from: Alik Bahshi on Today at 12:06:18 PM
A чтo пaлecтинцы yжe oт poждeния тeppopиcты?

A чтo, нaш Aли-c-Бaxчи c poждeния и дo cиx пop читaть нe нayчилcя или лишь пoнимaть нaпиcaннoe? Roll Eyes

Я вoт тoжe пpo тaкoгo никoгдa нe cлышaл, нo ...
Я дyмaю, чтo этo кaкoй-тo чинoвник из Cпopтлoттo.
Haш Aли-c-бaxчи вeчнo пишeт им вcякиe пиcьмa пpo paзнoe, чтo eгo вoлнyeт, кaк мы вce дaвнo знaeм yж ... Roll Eyes

Дык, пиздyй в Иpaн и "cкидывaй"! B чeм твoи пpoблeмы тo, xoxлo-бoт?! Huh
A ... ты жe eщё yкpo-нaциcтcкий peжим в cвoeм pиднoм Cвинocтaнe нe cкинyл дo cиx пop ...
Hy, тoгдa: кaк пpocpoчeннoгo клoyнa Bceя Дypдoины нa кoл пocaдишь - тaк cpaзy и пиздyй в Иpaн! Grin

(from https://loyce.club/archive/members/211/2118956.html)

Snork seems to have been attacking one user in particular and repeatedly posting (and having posts deleted) in that user's threads.

[Facebook Libra]

At the same time, he is constantly deliberately twisting the comments of other users participating in the discussion, takes personalities (trolling), and calls everyone who does not agree with his opinion ukrainian bots.

Snork is primitive enough to be a troll. He is very evil, but he was never be a troll, otherwise he would never lose his temper very easy. On the contrary, he was so easily irritated that other trolls took advantage of it.

His personal phraseological habits are just his manner of speech which you took for trolling. This is a not a reason for ban.

You may not like Snork or find it disgusting. But if you dislike a user, this is not a reason for a ban. It's just your problem if you can't debate with such argumentators.

Moderators usually have a lot of things to do. They don't have time to explain or prove anything. I think that on this day Halolex didn't bother and simply banned the user he didn't like due to his personal subjective dislike.

[Snork1979_]

Some of the more recently deleted snork's posts preceding the ban - likely rule-breaking posts deleted by mods

suchmoon, thank you for collecting my deleted posts.
I reread them again and again became convinced that they all correspond to the style of communication accepted in the Russian section "Politics" (which my political opponent farsky demonstrated above. And which many other participants of the section "Politics" adhere to).

Snork seems to have been attacking one user in particular and repeatedly posting (and having posts deleted) in that user's threads.

And in what exactly did you see my "attack"?
You mean that I have many answers in the topics of Alik Bahshi?

It's all simple here: if you look at the Russian section "Politics", you will see that in the top-5 three topics were created by Alik Bahshi (60% of topics).
In the top-20, Alik Bahshi is OP for 12 topics (again 60% of topics). I have not seen this in any other section of our forum
Are you still surprised that I write in his topics quite often?

Alik Bahshi is a long-known spammer in the Russian section "Politics", who creates new topics for any reason and even without a reason. But I believe that discussing his spam in this topic is offtopic.

I suggest returning to the discussion of the questions that I asked Xal0lex.

And to questions for our Global Moderators and other participants of this discussion.

[hilariousandco]

I suggest returning to the discussion of the questions that I asked Xal0lex.

And to questions for our Global Moderators and other participants of this discussion.

If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.

[Facebook Libra]

Honestly speaking, I thought that only global moderators can ban. But it turns out that's what it is

Locale moderators can also ban, it turns out.

[hilariousandco]

Honestly speaking, I thought that only global moderators can ban. But it turns out that's what it is

Locale moderators can also ban, it turns out.

I don't believe they can unless theymos has given them special powers. What usually happens is one of the local mods will request a ban from a Global/admin.

[suchmoon]

And in what exactly did you see my "attack"?
You mean that I have many answers in the topics of Alik Bahshi?

I think it's quite obvious that those are not "answers" in any way to the actual topics of those threads but rather personal attacks against the user.

Whether that's what caused the ban - I don't know, but I don't see any redeeming value in that sort of posting.

Are you still surprised that I write in his topics quite often?

It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?

Alik Bahshi is a long-known spammer in the Russian section "Politics", who creates new topics for any reason and even without a reason. But I believe that discussing his spam in this topic is offtopic.

LOL

We're discussing your ban and your behavior that may have led to it, or is that now off-topic too?

[Facebook Libra]

I will repeat, this man is brazenly lying in an attempt to make himself look like a victim of political persecution, which, however, is not surprising.

For this, Thermos came up with tags. If you think he's lying, you should have tagged him as a liar in his profile. Abuse of giving out bans is more harmful to the forum than the current case

In fact, the reason for his ban is a trivial malicious violation of forum rules.

Honestly, I wouldn't say that Snork is a malicious offender. He has an evil character, but I wouldn't call him a violator.

Snork is persistent and stubborn, but the moderator took it for trolling. As for his posts in analytic threads. Analytics implies playing on the stock exchange and forecasts. There it is really impossible to distinguish trolling from market manipulation. It turns out that Snork is a professional stock market  player of bearish game and not a troll at all

[Snork1979_]

If you have a serious complaint it's best to contact one of the admins to look into it as they're the only people who can do something about it.

Thank you very much for your advice!
But... now I have even more questions:
1) I can't write "Personal Messages" to our admins under my Snork1979 account, because he is banned and I can't write even Personal Messages to anyone from him.
2) I believe that when receiving Personal Messages from my account "Newbie", our Administrators will simply delete it as spam, without even reading it.
3) I can't write in any other topics of our forum, except for "Meta", under my new account, because our local moderator Xal0lex will gladly ban me right there "for violating the forum rules".

A question for you, as a Global Moderator, who has been on our forum for over 11 years: what practices are adopted on our forum for appealing against unlawful actions of local moderators, as in my case? How exactly should I contact our Administrators? (and in what way?)

I think it's quite obvious that those are not "answers" in any way to the actual topics of those threads but rather personal attacks against the user.

I think it's quite obvious that I'm not going to match you, level 80 trolls, in terms of trolling (judging by your posts, which I've already managed to read on our forum ).
But can you, our esteemed certified 80th level troll, at least write something on the topic of my thread?
Or is it too difficult for you, since it does not correspond in any way to your "real troll" methodology?

It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?

Yes, that's exactly what I did here.
Perhaps it's too hard for you to read, and although understand what you are "responding to"?
Considering your workload, I understand you perfectly.

We're discussing your ban and your behavior that may have led to it, or is that now off-topic too?

Dear Troll, That's exactly what I'm doing right now.
Perhaps you just haven't found the time to read what you're "responding to" yet?
(well, that's typical for trolls of your high level, as I've already figured out...)

LOL

That was your "finished thought", I suppose? (usually, for real trolls, this is a "finished thought" when they no longer have enough arguments to continue the discussion ...)

The abuse of giving out bans is more harmful to the forum than the current case

You are absolutely right.
And it is a pity that our local trolls Until now this has not been understood.

[suchmoon]

It's not about my "surprise", it's about you repeatedly posting off-topic and personal attacks. If you have a problem with a certain user spamming you should have reported to moderators, and if that didn't help perhaps bring the issue up here in Meta. Did you do that?

Yes, that's exactly what I did here.
Perhaps it's too hard for you to read, and although understand what you are "responding to"?
Considering your workload, I understand you perfectly.

Did you report or complain in Meta before engaging in your vigilante attacks against the user who you think was spamming, or any other users that you're now complaining about?

Rhetorical question of course.

[Snork1979_]

Did you report or complain in Meta before engaging in your vigilante attacks against the user who you think was spamming, or any other users that you're now complaining about?

As I explained to you above, I am not attacking the user Alik Bahshi.
Despite his spamming in the Russian "Politics" section, I do not have any issues with him that would require me to file a complaint against him.