As a newbie myself I think it is not that inviting. Investing for years without being able to access the amount doesnt feel that nice. I as a person would like to invest while still having ability to access my funds and cash out whenever I want but I think success demands sacrifice and you have to make them to be successful. If dca is the only way to become successful with Bitcoin then it is no problem for me to accept some doubts in order for success
You want to trade rather than invest?
I have a hard time seeing how you can build up your bitcoin holdings in less than 4 years.. what would be your plan?
You want to buy bitcoin for a couple of years, and then sell the bitcoin if it goes up 2x or more? and then buy back?
That would be a fantasy, and it is not likely to work out when you try to structure in that kinds of a way...
Historically the longer term buyers in bitcoin have done better than the traders, and sure a lot of stories about traders make it seem like the best and/or easiest way to make money, but the actual facts on the ground don't bear out trading to be better than investing for 95% or more of the people. Are you banking on that you, as a trader-wannabe, will end up being the lucky one who happens to gamble with his bitcoin correctly?
None of us can for sure say that you would be wrong or end up losing more than you gain, even though we could proclaim that the odds are quite greatly stacked against you... which is also part of the problem that the traders fall into thinking that they will be the lucky (or more skillful) one who is able to overcome the odds.
You seem to not understand DCA, since DCA allows you to adjust your level of aggressiveness, so if a guy maximizes his level of aggressiveness, then DCA does not limit him from receiving the upside of a short-term BTC price increase.
Let's say that a guy has a practice of maximizing his DCA amount and every time that his money comes in and he is able to determine his discretionary funds, he puts 90% of his discretionary funds into bitcoin... some weeks he invests $100, other weeks he invests $10, and there might be weeks in which he invests $1k or more. How is such a guy who is aggressively employing a DCA approach being limited by his DCA approach?
My point is that unlike trading where people can instant big profit, in DCA we have to spend some time in accumulating Bitcoins before we see good profit.
Your point seems to be even worse than what I was accusing you of... since at least if we were sticking with the idea of investing (rather than trading) which seems to be the topic of this thread, then the other options, besides DCA would be lump sump and buying on dips.
You want to compare trading to investing and to suggest that there are possibilities that trading might have situations in which it is short-term profitable without explaining it well.
Sure there could be a possibilities of short term profits with trading and being able to take out the profits and spend those profits in one way or another that will bring satisfaction, and then what? Does such a person buy back in and repeat?.. this seems like such a deviation from the topic.
Sure with trading the entry price might go up, and if the BTC keeps going up, he can cash out again and again and again as the price is going up.
But if the BTC price goes down, then does he get locked in, right? or does he cash out at a loss in order to get his money back to put into something else?
DCA can no doubt work better if you increase your investment specially during dips like the one we are having right now.
Buying on dips is different that DCA... and it is quite short-sighted to proclaim that buying on dips is going to give you better results than pure DCA.. since buying on dips could well lead to a slippery slope of waiting and strategizing rather than ongoingly buying. There is nothing wrong with guys supplementing DCA with buying on dips, yet proclaiming that buying on dips is better than DCA is failing to account for the trade offs that involve the waiting aspect that might end up happening.
If a person is brand new to bitcoin (which might be a no coiner), then why the fuck should he start out with buying on dips rather than DCAing? And, the same logic applies to guys who are trying to build their position and they have a 4-10 year or higher investment timeline, you think they are going to be better off to be fucking around with trying to figure out dips rather than ongoingly buying?
Don't get me wrong. I am not against the employment off all three buying techniques, yet proclaiming that guys are going to be better off to try to time the dips hardly makes sense, especially since we don't really know which way the BTC price is going to go.. Do you think that you can know the BTC price direction in advance sufficient enough to proclaim that you would be better to wait for such dip rather than ongoingly buying? Yeah, after the fact we can maybe proclaim that we would have had been better to buy some bitcoin at $65k in February rather than at $126k in October, yet how are we going to know in advance? When the BTC price was $126k, we probably could not have had high levels of assurance that the price was going to go below $120k ever again.
You might need to describe some kind of an example in which you think that a guys going to do better to be fucking around with trying to figure out dips rather than regularly buying.
If someone is more aggressive during current dip
How is it good to change your level of aggressiveness based on dips? You get into the same trap as the guy waiting for dips, which means that the ONLY reason that you can increase aggressiveness is because you were not already aggressively investing with your DCA.
Again, don't get me wrong, since I have several times mentioned that guys might choose to hold back a certain percentage of their regular DCA for dips, such as 20%, yet there are trade-offs with such choices, and it is not automatically a better practice, as you seem to be suggesting, which is similar to what a lot of guys proclaim that they can increase their aggressiveness during dips. .which might not be a good idea.
then at the start of very next bull season he will be able to see profit on his investment.
And? Are you planning to trade the waves of the bull season? I thought that we were talking about investing here and not trading? What is your timeline? less than 4 years? I would not consider that to be investing if your timeline is less than 4 years.
If one has understanding of DCA then he can defiantly tweak it to get profit even in short duration.
Your goal is to get profits in the short term? Why? are you selling in the short term too? or you want to feel better on paper because you were able to get more sats for the same dollars that you injected?
Surely, I am not opposed to buying bitcoin cheaper if you have $100 and you could use that $100 to buy at $64,500 (the current price as I type this post), or you are going to be able to buy at a lower price in the near future, then sure, it would be better to buy the bitcoin at the lower price, yet how are you going to know in advance? Right now you know it is $64,500, yet how you going to structure your supposedly genius, insightful and guru wannabe dip-buying practices? It seems to be that you need more specifics regarding your supposed bitcoin price foreseeing abilities rather than just presuming that you are going to know when the dips are coming in advance. You know that one of the actual characteristics of DCA involves the regular-ness of buying that is based on when your money that comes available and dip buying is a different strategy - yet you want to proclaim that you can make it even better based on your supposedly being able to figure out when dips are coming in advance.
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The DCA strategy cannot be implemented by someone, who cannot allocate part of their income sources which can be used for investing, especially in crypto or Bitcoin. If someone wants to use the DCA (Dollar Cost Averaging) strategy for investing, they must have proper financial management to be able to spend it, and I think forcing yourself to do DCA from income that can't be spent, is unwise.
So, what is the solution?
- Well, you have to increase your income so you can do it, and this is intended to not interfere with finances for basic needs.
Maybe, someone else is asking,
"How do I increase my income?" - I suggest you look for additional work, or find a side hustle, or invest your time in improving your skills so you can use those skills to increase your income.
The point is, you must be truly prepared to provide funds that you can actually allocate to investments anywhere, including in Bitcoin, and I think this is what @Proty was referring to. Cmiiw.
I agree with the general idea that discretionary income can be increased by increasing income, yet it can also be increased by cutting expenses, and sure increasing income might be preferred - even though sometimes there can be ways to cut some of the expenses, too...and sometimes even recategorizing wants and needs to realize that some expenses had been categorized as needs, even though they were wants... which means that sometimes wants can be either eliminated or maybe deferred... Generally, needs cannot be eliminated or deferred.
If one has understanding of DCA then he can defiantly tweak it to get profit even in short duration.
A brand new investor shouldn't put making profits first when he starts his bitcoin investment so that he does not get carried away with little profits and lose focus on his long-term bitcoin investment goal.
You should invest in bitcoin for your future and not in a short term even if you see profit in your portfolio because the longer you hodli your bitcoin portfolio and DCA overtime, the higher your profits in future. Don't because of little profits and turn into a trader overtime. This is why when you're DCAing, you should have a bitcoin target and do it consistently and persistently till you have reached your bitcoin target.
As a first step in investing in Bitcoin (especially beginners) you should focus on long-term investment goals and not get carried away by the excitement of small profits. Ideally, the best strategy is to invest in Bitcoin for the future, not just for the short term.
Beginners should also know that Bitcoin investment goals must be clear and specific, so they can focus on predetermined targets and not be affected by unexpected price changes.
You have been on the forum since May 2017. Did you have clear and specific goals when you started?
I doubt that beginners need clear and specific goals in order to get started. Sure, maybe a beginner might start out by saying that every week, he is going to buy between $10 and $100 of bitcoin until he figures out his cashflow situation a bit better... and maybe he will tell himself that he wants to invest at least a couple of years, even though the beginner guy heard other saying that bitcoin investing needs to be 4-10 years or longer, yet he might not be willing to commit to anything longer than 1-2 years... He can still get started even though he has not completely resolved his timeline.
Therefore, it is highly recommended for beginners to use the DCA strategy because it can help reduce the risk of losses due to price fluctuations, increase long-term profits, and form good investment habits. It's also important to emphasize that investing in Bitcoin is a long-term journey, not a sprint. Therefore, beginners should always focus on their goals and avoid being overly tempted by small profits, as this can lead to a loss of direction and ruining their initial plans.
I agree with you that both the beginner and DCA allows for not needing to be worried about profits, and the guy can just figure out how much he is going to invest in bitcoin on a weekly basis (or whatever might be his investment increment) based on his funds as they come in.. and surely the guy might have various aspects of his income and/or his expenses that are messed up and even inconsistent. He might have a variety of other loosely and even sloppy goals that might relate to his merely wanting to get his finances in better order. Perhaps the guy earns around $30k per year, yet he has around $7k in various kinds of debt (like 3 different loans at differing interest rates) that he needs to attempt to resolve in the coming year.. so even though he decided to get started investing in bitcoin, there are various other aspects of his finances that are a wee bit messy, and he is still working out the specifics of his goals .. and at the same time, it seems to me that he can still get started, even though he has a variety of matters that he needs to work out.. Maybe he has expenses that are around $2k per month, even though his income is $2,500 per month, and maybe he only has around $900 in back up funds, so he knows that he has to build up his back up funds as he is also starting to build up his bitcoin investment too.. including his tentatively thinking to start out by putting $10 to $100 per week into bitcoin, depending on other aspects of his weekly finances as they work themselves out (and he tentatively plans to be more active in his monitoring of his future cashflows in order that he can build up a bitcoin investment).
You seem to not understand DCA, since DCA allows you to adjust your level of aggressiveness, so if a guy maximizes his level of aggressiveness, then DCA does not limit him from receiving the upside of a short-term BTC price increase.
Let's say that a guy has a practice of maximizing his DCA amount and every time that his money comes in and he is able to determine his discretionary funds, he puts 90% of his discretionary funds into bitcoin... some weeks he invests $100, other weeks he invests $10, and there might be weeks in which he invests $1k or more. How is such a guy who is aggressively employing a DCA approach being limited by his DCA approach?
My point is that unlike trading where people can instant big profit, in DCA we have to spend some time in accumulating Bitcoins before we see good profit. DCA can no doubt work better if you increase your investment specially during dips like the one we are having right now. If someone is more aggressive during current dip then at the start of very next bull season he will be able to see profit on his investment. If one has understanding of DCA then he can defiantly tweak it to get profit even in short duration.
It is very risky to achieve short-term success from Bitcoin, but when we decide to invest in Bitcoin in DCA through a consistent strategy, our risk will be greatly reduced. Consistency is important in achieving Bitcoin success, those who decided to collect more instead of panicking during the down market have achieved faster and better success in the next upward trend. We should try to buy more when the price drops with consistent investment, but in this case, one important thing is not to be aggressive beyond our ability, but we should first consider our financial situation, then if we have the ability, we should continue to buy dips with consistent investment. However, when we stick to long-term decisions, our decisions will be the best decisions, because Bitcoin is an asset where people have the opportunity to benefit the most in the long term, not the short term.
I think that you have several of the right ideas ChocolateBitcoinK, yet I have difficulties understanding how you think that might be good to increase aggressiveness based on BTC price movements, since it is likely better to get your cashflow management into a stronger position before increasing aggressiveness. it can be problematic to be focusing on price in regards to changing bitcoin buying aggressiveness rather than focusing on cashflows and the strengthening of cashflows (and perhaps back up systems) first.