Development & Ethical Discussion

[imthatguy]

Hi there brothers and sisters,

I just started this new topic on the Bitcoin talk forum to open up the discussion of Bitcoin’s development from a ethical point of view.

Any questions, theories, research or just anything related to improving the ethical development of Bitcoin is much appreciated in this newly opened topic.

I believe that the future of Bitcoin existince is based on its intrinsic values. Many of these values are being jeopardised by greed, power and controle.

If the OG Bitcoin community and Bitcoin core developers fail to execute.. it could mean the end of what Bitcoin was intended to become by Satoshi and members of the cypherpunk manifesto.

I also like to note that in this topic you are freely to speak about religious doctrines, philosophical doctrines, spiritual doctrines, atheistic doctrines etc.

Your opinion is valued regardless of your religious or non religious views, ethnicity or color of skin, gender or gender preference and social class.

Hope all is well and let’s start this journey together.

[Wiwo]

Hi there brothers and sisters,

I just started this new topic on the Bitcoin talk forum to open up the discussion of Bitcoin’s development from a ethical point of view.

Any questions, theories, research or just anything related to improving the ethical development of Bitcoin is much appreciated in this newly opened topic.

I believe that the future of Bitcoin existince is based on its intrinsic values. Many of these values are being jeopardised by greed, power and controle.

If the OG Bitcoin community and Bitcoin core developers fail to execute.. it could mean the end of what Bitcoin was intended to become by Satoshi and members of the cypherpunk manifesto.

I also like to note that in this topic you are freely to speak about religious doctrines, philosophical doctrines, spiritual doctrines, atheistsic doctrines etc.

Your opinion is valued regardless of your religious or non religious views, ethnicity or color of skin, gender or gender preference and social class.

Hope all is well and let’s start this journey together.

Where did you get this crab mentality about bitcoin development and bitcoin developers from?

You got it Al wrong and just to set the record straight, butcoiyis doing pretty well and everything about bitcoin is being run according to the core satoshi mindset towards bitcoin development and it involvements.

Satoshi said, allow bitcoin to develop naturally and without interference.

And from all you pointed out, there are no sound technicalities about how Bitcoin can advance above what ut is tight now.

[Ambatman]

So prior development of Bitcoin has been unethical?
Not to mention about different doctrine and all
Bitcoin doesn't discriminate.
I see no relevance of this topic since there's already a full board dedicated to development and technical.


It would had helped a lil if you personally had dropped an ongoing 'ethical' development on Bitcoin.

[NotATether]

I, too, am curious as to exactly what parts of Bitcoin development are unethical.

[ABCbits]

I have gut feeling OP use chatbot to generate this thread. Anyway, i think bringing multiple religious/spiritual doctrines into discussion about Bitcoin development wouldn't end up well due to various reasons.

[imthatguy]

Hi there brothers and sisters,

I just started this new topic on the Bitcoin talk forum to open up the discussion of Bitcoin’s development from a ethical point of view.

Any questions, theories, research or just anything related to improving the ethical development of Bitcoin is much appreciated in this newly opened topic.

I believe that the future of Bitcoin existince is based on its intrinsic values. Many of these values are being jeopardised by greed, power and controle.

If the OG Bitcoin community and Bitcoin core developers fail to execute.. it could mean the end of what Bitcoin was intended to become by Satoshi and members of the cypherpunk manifesto.

I also like to note that in this topic you are freely to speak about religious doctrines, philosophical doctrines, spiritual doctrines, atheistsic doctrines etc.

Your opinion is valued regardless of your religious or non religious views, ethnicity or color of skin, gender or gender preference and social class.

Hope all is well and let’s start this journey together.

Where did you get this crab mentality about bitcoin development and bitcoin developers from?

You got it Al wrong and just to set the record straight, butcoiyis doing pretty well and everything about bitcoin is being run according to the core satoshi mindset towards bitcoin development and it involvements.

Satoshi said, allow bitcoin to develop naturally and without interference.

And from all you pointed out, there are no sound technicalities about how Bitcoin can advance above what ut is tight now.

Hey Wiwo,

Not sure what you are referring to with ‘crab mentality’ about Bitcoin development and developers.

I think there is room for a lot of improvement for Bitcoin and its development from a governance point of view. And I think there is a lot of room for improvement for Bitcoin from a usecase point of view.

When the narrative of Bitcoin shifted in 2014 from the usecase of p2p cash into ‘digital gold’ the dynamic of what Bitcoin can possibly mean for the world shifted.

Satoshi named Bitcoin a Peer-To-Peer Electronic System and not ‘digital gold’ with a careful reason. When mankind believes and treats Bitcoin as a vehicle of investment it creates the possibility for humans to promote inequality.

A Peer-To-Peer Electronic System instead creates the opportunity for humans to use Bitcoin as a medium of exchange or economic opportunity.

Power dynamics are less involved with the latter goal.

The paradigm shift that took place this year in Bitcoin’s adoption from a global governmental and tradefi markets point of view showcases the importance of Satoshi’a message embedded in the genesis block:

“The Times 03/Jan/2009 Chancellor on brink of second bailout for banks.”

A message referring to the headline of the London newspaper, The Times, on the noted date.
The U.K. government was bailing out the banks for the second time during that period.

Satoshi’s message should remind us all how important it is to govern Bitcoin in such a way that Bitcoin’s usecase is separated from any power dynamics within government and state. A significant change is happening as we speak.

Thusfar my response for usecase and trajectory of Bitcoin.

My second response is regarding the governance point of view:

It is widely known that various contributors and maintainers of Bitcoin core have their personal world views from a religious, spiritual and ethical standpoint. If the OG and the new contributors and mainters of Bitcoin truly want Bitcoin to become adopted on a continuous global scale it is important that those involved with its governance are aligned to make it work for all of humankind.

It takes hard work to get people aligned for such a manifestation. A team of humanbeings working together for the all of the humanrace is a team healed of all the indoctrinations of hate.

A team of peace.

Let me know if you have any questions?

[imthatguy]

I have gut feeling OP use chatbot to generate this thread. Anyway, i think bringing multiple religious/spiritual doctrines into discussion about Bitcoin development wouldn't end up well due to various reasons.

I think that if you’re in Bitcoin, you actually promote freedom technology.

There goes a lot into Bitcoin philosophically. This combined with, mythological, theological and spiritual views from all core maintainers and contributors involved in the choices made for Bitcoin’s trajectory.

It is actually very eye-opening when it is openly discussed.

And no.

I’m not a chatbot hahaha. Just here to help out ethically.

[Wiwo]

There goes a lot into Bitcoin philosophically. This, combined with mythological, theological and spiritual views from all core maintainers and contributors involved in the choices made for Bitcoin’s trajectory.

It is very eye-opening when it is openly discussed.

And no.

I’m not a chatbot hahaha. Just here to help out ethically.

I think you gonna need help right now because at this point all that you mentioned above is far from being technical help which is the only help that is regarded here in the Bitcoin ecosystem, I see you mentioned spiritual in your writing, really are you being sarcastic right now, what have spiritual gat to do with bitcoin right here.

Just like I advised you above, you need to unlearn all the crabs you filled your head with and make attempts to get the right information and knowledge about Bitcoin and its technicalities.

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I believe that focusing solely on the philosophical and spiritual aspects of Bitcoin might not be the most productive approach to its development. While these aspects are important for the broader understanding of Bitcoin's potential, its true strength lies in its technical foundation and decentralized nature. By emphasizing the robust security, scalability, and innovation in blockchain technology, we can foster further adoption and integration of Bitcoin in the real-world economy. It's crucial to prioritize solutions that address challenges such as transaction speed, energy efficiency, and regulatory frameworks to ensure that Bitcoin remains sustainable and accessible to a wider audience. This balanced approach can help Bitcoin evolve and fulfill its potential as a global financial system.

[imthatguy]

There goes a lot into Bitcoin philosophically. This, combined with mythological, theological and spiritual views from all core maintainers and contributors involved in the choices made for Bitcoin’s trajectory.

It is very eye-opening when it is openly discussed.

And no.

I’m not a chatbot hahaha. Just here to help out ethically.

I think you gonna need help right now because at this point all that you mentioned above is far from being technical help which is the only help that is regarded here in the Bitcoin ecosystem, I see you mentioned spiritual in your writing, really are you being sarcastic right now, what have spiritual gat to do with bitcoin right here.

Just like I advised you above, you need to unlearn all the crabs you filled your head with and make attempts to get the right information and knowledge about Bitcoin and its technicalities.

Technically, the current mechanism for changing bitcoin hinges on what Core developers will merge.. unintentionally but a known truth among developers that worked or work on Bitcoin core.

For the technical proposals that are currently on the table like scaling UTXO ownership and new self custody capabilities I actually don’t have much to comment.

Yeah, I guess hard to comprehend for you that humans actually also use their religious or spiritual indoctrinations within development. And if it is not religious or spiritual there should be a set of norms and values to go into it for any developer.

Yet avoiding unethical practices helps out a lot in the longterm.

[franky1]

i would say that core dont follow historic religions when it comes to their level of ethics
their philosophy is not even bitcoins original libertarian view, core devs are mainly capitalists

instead of them developing bitcoin for bitcoins purpose where devs then profit from using the currency they help develop, core devs have decided to sell themselves out to the fiat corporate world. you can see this by their corporate deals, sponsorships and grants(emphasis: preferring fiat grabs instead of profiting from the monetary system they help develop)

research at their funding rounds of blockstream, chaincodelabs and brinks.. it shows they prefer to take employment from fiat puppet masters which have changed bitcoin to be a system that pushes people away from bitcoin and intends to push people into sub-standard sub-networks that pretend to be "solutions".. basically suggesting bitcoin is broke and other networks are the fixes.. which is a unethical mindset to have when they promote themselves as the bitcoin developers..
bitcoin can scale and grow, but the core governance model of bitcoin prefers the fiat corporate sponsored roadmap.. and thats a shame

..
if you do wish to speak of religion, then you will see the usual response from a few core loyalist followers who treat core devs as gods, and blindly believe core should act as gods and control/govern bitcoin and not progress/scale bitcoin (cultish behaviour)

[ABCbits]

I have gut feeling OP use chatbot to generate this thread. Anyway, i think bringing multiple religious/spiritual doctrines into discussion about Bitcoin development wouldn't end up well due to various reasons.

I think that if you’re in Bitcoin, you actually promote freedom technology.

There goes a lot into Bitcoin philosophically. This combined with, mythological, theological and spiritual views from all core maintainers and contributors involved in the choices made for Bitcoin’s trajectory.

It is actually very eye-opening when it is openly discussed.

And no.

I’m not a chatbot hahaha. Just here to help out ethically.

I've followed some discussion among Bitcoin developer and contributor, but i never see anyone bring religion or spiritual doctrines. At most, i only remember certain pool put religious quote on block header/coinbase TX which happened long time ago where it's already resolved.

[Reatim]

I believe that the future of Bitcoin existince is based on its intrinsic values. Many of these values are being jeopardised by greed, power and controle.

If the OG Bitcoin community and Bitcoin core developers fail to execute.. it could mean the end of what Bitcoin was intended to become by Satoshi and members of the cypherpunk manifesto.

I don't know if I am reading it wrong because no one seems to notice that OP didn't say the development of bitcoin has been unethical but it could be if greed, power, and control continues to prevail through people. OP understands the values that are built into bitcoin and to me it seems like just wants to protect it. For me though it is less about the ethical concerns but more of how the greed, power, and control can affect the development of bitcoin. Bitcoin was made for the people. For a community to have something. If further developments no longer cater to the community due to greed and selfishness then bitcoin will crumble. But OP, I do not think it will happen or at least any time soon because as much as bitcoin is made for the community it is also built and operated by the people in said community.

Bitcoin not having one single entity allows it the "power" to be distributed hence why a single authority will not turn selfish and turn bitcoin upside down. Bitcoin will be fine.

[franky1]

Bitcoin not having one single entity

research core, especially their hierarchy, their allocation of github privileges, their funding and whom also controls moderation of all technical discussion platforms.. you will find out its not hundreds-thousands of random users

[imthatguy]

I have gut feeling OP use chatbot to generate this thread. Anyway, i think bringing multiple religious/spiritual doctrines into discussion about Bitcoin development wouldn't end up well due to various reasons.

I think that if you’re in Bitcoin, you actually promote freedom technology.

There goes a lot into Bitcoin philosophically. This combined with, mythological, theological and spiritual views from all core maintainers and contributors involved in the choices made for Bitcoin’s trajectory.

It is actually very eye-opening when it is openly discussed.

And no.

I’m not a chatbot hahaha. Just here to help out ethically.

I've followed some discussion among Bitcoin developer and contributor, but i never see anyone bring religion or spiritual doctrines. At most, i only remember certain pool put religious quote on block header/coinbase TX which happened long time ago where it's already resolved.

I know that there are some Roman Catholics part of Bitcoin core.

I tried to speak with LukeDash Jr. about his current mindset regarding morals and values and his Roman Catholic background but was met with a block on twitter.

Maybe because I also asked him about an old quote that I found that was pretty suspect in regards to racist and sinful ways. A quote that could suggest Luke still has issues with racist or sinful behaviour patterns.

Was just curious.

Openness about these behavioural patterns could help a lot of development teams. But I think for Bitcoin it could make a real difference.

[imthatguy]

I have gut feeling OP use chatbot to generate this thread. Anyway, i think bringing multiple religious/spiritual doctrines into discussion about Bitcoin development wouldn't end up well due to various reasons.

I think that if you’re in Bitcoin, you actually promote freedom technology.

There goes a lot into Bitcoin philosophically. This combined with, mythological, theological and spiritual views from all core maintainers and contributors involved in the choices made for Bitcoin’s trajectory.

It is actually very eye-opening when it is openly discussed.

And no.

I’m not a chatbot hahaha. Just here to help out ethically.

I've followed some discussion among Bitcoin developer and contributor, but i never see anyone bring religion or spiritual doctrines. At most, i only remember certain pool put religious quote on block header/coinbase TX which happened long time ago where it's already resolved.

I know that there are some Roman Catholics part of Bitcoin core.

I tried to speak with LukeDash Jr. about his current mindset regarding morals and values and his Roman Catholic background but was met with a block on twitter.

Maybe because I also asked him about an old quote that I found that was pretty suspect in regards to racist and sinful ways. A quote that could suggest Luke still has issues with racist or sinful behaviour patterns.

Was just curious.

Openness about these behavioural patterns could help a lot of development teams. But I think for Bitcoin it could make a real difference.

In my opinion, this is not a very mature way out of the situation, a block instead of a dialogue

Agreed.

At the same time,

Luke and other core devs are definitely not obligated to answer any questions regarding their (religious) world view or behavioural patterns they ‘could’ struggle with right.

It is a very personal thing for most people.

But core contributors and maintainers speaking about it openly would help the community hugely to understand the ethical vision and thought processes of those involved with Bitcoin’s governance and development upgrades.