To tariff or not to tariff

[o48o]

The thing you are missing is that trading with other countries isn't a requisite for existing. All the states can exist on trading with each other all the things that they trade internationally. Or they can manufacture the products themselves.

Canada, Mexico, China, Australia, etc., are nice thoughts. They are beautiful countries. But we don't NEED them for trade or to live. If we can't make the exact product ourselves, we are ingenious enough that we will develop substitutes that will work as good as, or better than, the imports. Wise tariffing will bring us to that point.

Sure, you don't even need shops to buy things because you can make your own toothpaste from salt (which you also make), but you don't seem to understand the upsides of having strong trade allies and decentralized production.

BRICS hasn't gone away. A threatened tariff on BRICS nations across the board is nothing. In fact, it will strengthen BRICS except, possibly, in one circumstance... that the USD is brought back under the US Treasury, and that the Fed is eliminated. This will mean a fair, international USD rather than one that gives tons of money to the Fed bank owners for nothing. In that case, the BRICS countries might table BRICS, because a fair USD might be better than a good BRICS.

EDIT: Note that the article you linked to calls BRICS by the name BRIC. When was South Africa dropped or removed from BRICS.

The Ukraine war... Ukraine is being funded by the banking system as well as the US and Nato. With Russia and other countries using the USD when they are against Ukraine, means that they are funding the country they don't believe in and are against.

Interesting, so now you strongly disagree with Trump? This was the first time you are directly opposing him, as he has said that he wants to sanction them if they try to create their own sanction free economy and currency. Because that would be threat to USD (that local currency you seem to loath). And trump seems to love USD and US banking system. Only reason i can see you being against this, if you lived in any of these BRICS countries.

[BADecker]

The thing you are missing is that trading with other countries isn't a requisite for existing. All the states can exist on trading with each other all the things that they trade internationally. Or they can manufacture the products themselves.

Canada, Mexico, China, Australia, etc., are nice thoughts. They are beautiful countries. But we don't NEED them for trade or to live. If we can't make the exact product ourselves, we are ingenious enough that we will develop substitutes that will work as good as, or better than, the imports. Wise tariffing will bring us to that point.

Sure, you don't even need shops to buy things because you can make your own toothpaste from salt (which you also make), but you don't seem to understand the upsides of having strong trade allies and decentralized production.

BRICS hasn't gone away. A threatened tariff on BRICS nations across the board is nothing. In fact, it will strengthen BRICS except, possibly, in one circumstance... that the USD is brought back under the US Treasury, and that the Fed is eliminated. This will mean a fair, international USD rather than one that gives tons of money to the Fed bank owners for nothing. In that case, the BRICS countries might table BRICS, because a fair USD might be better than a good BRICS.

EDIT: Note that the article you linked to calls BRICS by the name BRIC. When was South Africa dropped or removed from BRICS.

The Ukraine war... Ukraine is being funded by the banking system as well as the US and Nato. With Russia and other countries using the USD when they are against Ukraine, means that they are funding the country they don't believe in and are against.

Interesting, so now you strongly disagree with Trump? This was the first time you are directly opposing him, as he has said that he wants to sanction them if they try to create their own sanction free economy and currency. Because that would be threat to USD (that local currency you seem to loath). And trump seems to love USD and US banking system. Only reason i can see you being against this, if you lived in any of these BRICS countries.

You don't seem to understand that America making its own things for itself is not like you making your own things for yourself. The 50 States are like 50 countries that are already set up to trade with each other. Trading with other nations is weakening the 50-State trade.

Interesting how you consider that agreeing with Trump is really disagreeing with him. However, my ideas are not intended to agree with or disagree with him. BRICS is simply a thing that is happening. Will the rest of the world combine into a one world government for themselves if the US pulls away from operating according to their ideals?

The logic of BRICS is that the US Fed is screwing the nations. BRICS nations will have to decide where the advantage lies.

Trump is way better for America than Biden. He would be magnanimously better if he took America off the Fed... and maybe even shut it down. If that happened, there might not be any need for BRICS. The BRICS nations will trade among themselves without the US if it is to their advantage.

[o48o]

You don't seem to understand that America making its own things for itself is not like you making your own things for yourself. The 50 States are like 50 countries that are already set up to trade with each other. Trading with other nations is weakening the 50-State trade.

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Trump is way better for America than Biden. He would be magnanimously better if he took America off the Fed... and maybe even shut it down. If that happened, there might not be any need for BRICS. The BRICS nations will trade among themselves without the US if it is to their advantage.

Do you understand how much time it takes to build that infra? And how much more products will end up costing to consumer anyway, even if they are made in America?

And who is even doing the work if those products will be made in america? You have a full time job just kicking away "illegal immigrants" which probably take years and will cost near trillion dollars itself. And i am not counting the costs of civil unrest happening because of that. Meanwhile you ignore that those illegal immigrants are paying yearly $96.7 billion worth of taxes.

And funny how you praise Donald over Biden, crime is down, markets are up, US economy is booming under Biden, but somehow that's bad. And trump will make it better?

Here's a fun checklist for you:

Source: Tax Foundation

And don't pretend like you aren't cheering for BRICS currency, because you have praised it for a long time while loathing USD. Here's one example:

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I can't wait until they make it available to individuals. Of course, maybe it is for bigger people already. Doesn't mean that you have to put all your money into it. Simply means that there will be fair trade across borders... without the corrupt USD.
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[Hispo]

It all boils down to one of two choices:
1. No tariffs - control by some undetermined, hidden world government;
2. Tariffs - Control of the US for the US by the US - MAGA.

That is rather an over-simplification of the problem and the alledged solution which tariffs are for the American people, of was so simple, then previous administrations would have already considered to apply tariffs widely and sole the problem of the economy and also the self-determination of the United States a nation, which for now it depends on the labor of other countries to keep their prices down...
You can me a good use of tariffs when the market you are targeting is small and there is an actual punctual objective for it, for example, those tariffs being applied on Chinese electrical vehicles (so European and American EVs have more chances of survival in the USA), but it is not the same to apply tariffs to a surging technology then doing the same to products are services which are already established and are part of the economy at their low prices.

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Of course making America great takes away from funding for other countries (Venezuela). Total import tariffs would cut off other countries stealing of the US 'energy'. If the US were only one or two people, things might be different, but America doesn't need other countries. Other countries need America.

What are you even talking about? there is no Funding from the United States coming to this country whatsoever... this country have pretty bad political relationships with the United States, they do not send a penny here to fund anything... comments like that only prove your lack of understanding on the relation your country has with other republics within the same hemisphere.
Also, it is pretty much not true the United States in independent from other countries and other countries need the USA for them to continue to function normally, otherwise the USA would not import as much raw materials and products from Africa and Asia, for example. Also, the USA if the biggest producer of oil on the planet and yet they need to import gas and oil from abroad... that is not enegy independence at all, and I doubt it will change with Trump in the white house, the UsA will still need to bring oil from the middle east.

[BADecker]

You don't seem to understand that America making its own things for itself is not like you making your own things for yourself. The 50 States are like 50 countries that are already set up to trade with each other. Trading with other nations is weakening the 50-State trade.

-cut-
Trump is way better for America than Biden. He would be magnanimously better if he took America off the Fed... and maybe even shut it down. If that happened, there might not be any need for BRICS. The BRICS nations will trade among themselves without the US if it is to their advantage.

Do you understand how much time it takes to build that infra? And how much more products will end up costing to consumer anyway, even if they are made in America?

And who is even doing the work if those products will be made in america? You have a full time job just kicking away "illegal immigrants" which probably take years and will cost near trillion dollars itself. And i am not counting the costs of civil unrest happening because of that. Meanwhile you ignore that those illegal immigrants are paying yearly $96.7 billion worth of taxes.

And funny how you praise Donald over Biden, crime is down, markets are up, US economy is booming under Biden, but somehow that's bad. And trump will make it better?

Here's a fun checklist for you:
https://talkimg.com/images/2024/12/02/pMteG.png
Source: Tax Foundation

And don't pretend like you aren't cheering for BRICS currency, because you have praised it for a long time while loathing USD. Here's one example:

-cut-
I can't wait until they make it available to individuals. Of course, maybe it is for bigger people already. Doesn't mean that you have to put all your money into it. Simply means that there will be fair trade across borders... without the corrupt USD.
-cut-

Biden over Trump... worldwide deaths up at least several millions, direct operations. Besides, the US economy isn't booming under Biden... just the opposite. You dense or something?

BRICS would be great if the Fed remained. Way more honest than the current Western banking systems.

MAGA won't happen over night. The sooner we get started the better.

[franky1]

Botomline, I think you core idea is wrong, tariffs work, they do not have loopholes (unless the receiving country is turning a blind eye) and it will increase the costs for the end users (it is pointless to discuss where that tariff is applied or who pays, because in the end it always goes to the consumer. The US consumer.)

tariffs dont work to sway consumers to buy domestically..
this is why there is so much money wasted on patriotic advertising trying to sway people to avoid imports
(if domestic made produce was competitive, the patriotic advertising wouldnt be needed, because price competition would sell itself)

for instance i have a projector which a replacement bulb from a made in the UK official vendor of the brand would cost £100
yet i can go to aliexpress and get the same bulb from a chinese vendor for $20
the only way to tempt me to pay for the UK made version is if the tariff was 500% of goods price

an electric bike battery is £320 in the uk, but i can aliexpress a battery for £80
the only way to tempt me to pay for the UK made version is if the tariff was 400% of goods price

if you look at the difference between materials cost and labour cost of china vs US.. a tariff would need to be more then 100% on imports to make US manufactured goods competitive

tariffs will never make "made in america" same/cheaper than imports even if tariffs were +100% of goods

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as for your other waffle, you have not even spent 30 seconds looking into freeports to know how they work/their purpose.. so your silliness is still silly on the subject. and yes there are many loopholes manufacturers can negate the need to have their recipients pay premium tariffs

EG shipping bagged wine is not tariffed like bottled wine is. and then sending it through a freeport makes it 'bottled domestically' thus not treated as an import

[BADecker]

^^^ And it's becoming more and more like that all the time. We need to implement those tariffs as fast as we can, so that we can manufacture strength for ourselves, before we fall into becoming less than a third world country.

[franky1]

^^^ And it's becoming more and more like that all the time. We need to implement those tariffs as fast as we can, so that we can manufacture strength for ourselves, before we fall into becoming less than a third world country.

when chinas highest minimum wage is equivelent of $3.70 and america's minimum wage is $15
it shows that china can manufacture things with cheap labour of minimum wage 4x less than america

again you need to realise america will not be able to compete with asia even if they had 200-400% tariff

the only thing america can try to do is advocate why people should pay a premium for patriotism
american made goods will ALWAYS be higher price

the only thing american advertisers can do is pretend quality of imports is worse and being patriotic = high quality to sound worthy of premium

[BADecker]

^^^ And it's becoming more and more like that all the time. We need to implement those tariffs as fast as we can, so that we can manufacture strength for ourselves, before we fall into becoming less than a third world country.

when chinas highest minimum wage is equivelent of $3.70 and america's minimum wage is $15
it shows that china can manufacture things with cheap labour of minimum wage 4x less than america

again you need to realise america will not be able to compete with asia even if they had 200-400% tariff

the only thing america can try to do is advocate why people should pay a premium for patriotism
american made goods will ALWAYS be higher price

the only thing american advertisers can do is pretend quality of imports is worse and being patriotic = high quality to sound worthy of premium

China's minimum - When the tariffs are high enough, it doesn't matter. The US will need to manufacture its own stuff. The balance will be between tariff amount, people wanting to work and develop, government reducing regs for the little guy so he can develop, and the black market.

What does compete with Asia mean? No competition necessary. Tariffs will supply govt funds.

Don't buy offshore. Manufacture. As tariffs grow, they will gradually offset the need for income taxes. People using their income tax money for the right things will bring back manufacturing.

DOGE is reducing size of government already. Small government means no need for IRS taxes.

Advertising isn't needed and really doesn't have anything to do with it.

[OgNasty]

You and all your goofy scenarios. Anybody could make thousands of them. The point is, your precious UK would be cut off from much of its leaching off America if the tariffs went worldwide.

America doesn't need the world. The world needs America. America has enough wealth internally to make all the things that its people want. All this international trading simply exists to bring America under the thumb of the one world government. Tariffs bring strength back to America as a nation.

Here's how much America doesn't need those countries trump wants to put tariffs on:



Most economics would side with paxmao, but what do they know, they only do that for their living.

Also, weren't you excited about Brics at some point? What happened to that now when trump is threating to put 100% tariff on the BRIC bloc of nations. How does it fit on your anti-american narrative?

Losing billions in trades and taxes (that could be put on infra, education and health) is a weird tactic to make American infra work more like in soviet union.

The point is to Make America Great Again by putting America First.  Who cares about foreign trading partners.  It's time we stopped selling out our currency in order to have cheap goods.  Canada can pay their fair share along with the rest of the world.  One thing is for sure though, if I was in Canada I would be looking to get the hell out as fast as I can.  The next year is going to be rough.  I imagine once Trudeau loses the next election by a landslide then things may start returning to normal, but Canadians better be tightening their belts and making themselves irreplaceable at their jobs...

[paxmao]

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Most economics would side with paxmao, but what do they know, they only do that for their living.

Also, weren't you excited about Brics at some point? What happened to that now when trump is threating to put 100% tariff on the BRIC bloc of nations. How does it fit on your anti-american narrative?

Losing billions in trades and taxes (that could be put on infra, education and health) is a weird tactic to make American infra work more like in soviet union.

The point is to Make America Great Again by putting America First.  Who cares about foreign trading partners.  It's time we stopped selling out our currency in order to have cheap goods.  Canada can pay their fair share along with the rest of the world.  One thing is for sure though, if I was in Canada I would be looking to get the hell out as fast as I can.  The next year is going to be rough.  I imagine once Trudeau loses the next election by a landslide then things may start returning to normal, but Canadians better be tightening their belts and making themselves irreplaceable at their jobs...

I think you are quite confused about the result of tariffs. Tariffs will not make goods cheaper.

It is very simple, you are buying product XZY from China at 100. The reason is that if you manufacture it in the US it costs 200. Now, you slap a tariff on the Chinese version and make it at least 200. You now will buy US made, but ... at 200.

There will be obviously some job creation in the US and very likely... inflation with it. It will not make the US industry more competitive, it will make it lazy and based on the hidden handover of the consumers who will have no option but the local product.

Is that puting the US first? Yes, but only that bit of the US that is going to benefit from not having competition - not the middle class, certainly not all that working class that has merely voted for Trump.

[BADecker]

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The point is to Make America Great Again by putting America First.  Who cares about foreign trading partners.  It's time we stopped selling out our currency in order to have cheap goods.  Canada can pay their fair share along with the rest of the world.  One thing is for sure though, if I was in Canada I would be looking to get the hell out as fast as I can.  The next year is going to be rough.  I imagine once Trudeau loses the next election by a landslide then things may start returning to normal, but Canadians better be tightening their belts and making themselves irreplaceable at their jobs...

I think you are quite confused about the result of tariffs. Tariffs will not make goods cheaper.

It is very simple, you are buying product XZY from China at 100. The reason is that if you manufacture it in the US it costs 200. Now, you slap a tariff on the Chinese version and make it at least 200. You now will buy US made, but ... at 200.

There will be obviously some job creation in the US and very likely... inflation with it. It will not make the US industry more competitive, it will make it lazy and based on the hidden handover of the consumers who will have no option but the local product.

Is that puting the US first? Yes, but only that bit of the US that is going to benefit from not having competition - not the middle class, certainly not all that working class that has merely voted for Trump.

Tariffs is even simpler than you say.

- Tariffs incentivize average citizens to make their own products so we don't need to rely on other nations.
- Tariffs supply money to government so we don't need income taxes.
- Tariffs give us money and manufacturing strength.
- Tariffs equal MAGA.

It's so simple it's scary.

[Yucky]

I think tariffs should be looked at from two angles. On one hand, they can encourage companies to move back to the US and create jobs. But on the other hand, it can make goods more expensive for us, the consumers.

Did you know that the US has a trade deficit of over $600 billion? That means we import way more goods than we export. So, if tariffs make imported goods more expensive, it could actually help reduce our trade deficit.

But here's the thing: tariffs can also hurt American businesses that rely on imported goods. For example, if a US company imports parts from China to make a product, tariffs on those parts can increase their costs and make their products more expensive for us.

So, it's not just a simple question of whether tariffs will make goods cheaper or more expensive. It's a complex issue that affects different people and businesses in different ways.

[paxmao]

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The point is to Make America Great Again by putting America First.  Who cares about foreign trading partners.  It's time we stopped selling out our currency in order to have cheap goods.  Canada can pay their fair share along with the rest of the world.  One thing is for sure though, if I was in Canada I would be looking to get the hell out as fast as I can.  The next year is going to be rough.  I imagine once Trudeau loses the next election by a landslide then things may start returning to normal, but Canadians better be tightening their belts and making themselves irreplaceable at their jobs...

I think you are quite confused about the result of tariffs. Tariffs will not make goods cheaper.

It is very simple, you are buying product XZY from China at 100. The reason is that if you manufacture it in the US it costs 200. Now, you slap a tariff on the Chinese version and make it at least 200. You now will buy US made, but ... at 200.

There will be obviously some job creation in the US and very likely... inflation with it. It will not make the US industry more competitive, it will make it lazy and based on the hidden handover of the consumers who will have no option but the local product.

Is that puting the US first? Yes, but only that bit of the US that is going to benefit from not having competition - not the middle class, certainly not all that working class that has merely voted for Trump.

Tariffs is even simpler than you say.

- Tariffs incentivize average citizens to make their own products so we don't need to rely on other nations.
- Tariffs supply money to government so we don't need income taxes.
- Tariffs give us money and manufacturing strength.
- Tariffs equal MAGA.

It's so simple it's scary.

It is very simple, but quite the opposite. How is having tariffs going to make your manufacturing stronger? It is exactly the opposite, you really, urgently need to read more about protectionism. The only beneficiaries are the large companies of the US, nobody else.

It is so simple that it is scary you do not understand it. US consumers will have no choice and will be held hostage by the local companies and will not be able to shop for better prices elsewhere. What it is exactly that you do not understand?

You will not "need other nations", but all the other nations will be producing better and cheaper because there is competence in prices.

The money you get from tariffs is paid by the US consumer!! The other nations will be selling their products pre-tariff at the same price, it will be the US citizens only paying the extra - a hidden tax.

There's only one benefit to protectionism, it is creating jobs - that the US does not need at the moment - all the rest goes to the monopolits of the US dumBAss. Who do you think has paid for Trumps campaign stupid!

[passwordnow]

The companies that are looking for cheaper manufacturers and laborers will continue to find it as long as it is going to save them a lot of money. Because money that has been saved for them is money earned for the company for which they can use for business expansion and other research and development purposes or any other reason that they're going to benefit in the longer term. So, those companies that are being hit by huge tariffs are going to find a better place for as long as they can be. The important matter for them is to find a country where cost-effective benefits are there, raw materials are cheaper but they're not going to sacrifice the quality that they do.

[BADecker]

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Tariffs is even simpler than you say.

- Tariffs incentivize average citizens to make their own products so we don't need to rely on other nations.
- Tariffs supply money to government so we don't need income taxes.
- Tariffs give us money and manufacturing strength.
- Tariffs equal MAGA.

It's so simple it's scary.

It is very simple, but quite the opposite. How is having tariffs going to make your manufacturing stronger? It is exactly the opposite, you really, urgently need to read more about protectionism. The only beneficiaries are the large companies of the US, nobody else.

It is so simple that it is scary you do not understand it. US consumers will have no choice and will be held hostage by the local companies and will not be able to shop for better prices elsewhere. What it is exactly that you do not understand?

You will not "need other nations", but all the other nations will be producing better and cheaper because there is competence in prices.

The money you get from tariffs is paid by the US consumer!! The other nations will be selling their products pre-tariff at the same price, it will be the US citizens only paying the extra - a hidden tax.

There's only one benefit to protectionism, it is creating jobs - that the US does not need at the moment - all the rest goes to the monopolits of the US dumBAss. Who do you think has paid for Trumps campaign stupid!

Actually, it's this simple. It doesn't have to do with a contest between nations. All it has to do with is what a nation is willing to do for itself.

It won't hurt the US to cut off trade with China. It will only hurt China. America can MAGA anything for itself that it wants. It's China that will fail without America buying their junk.

Price relationships between nations are fake, built by the greedy jokers who want the China slaves to make products cheaply. Tariffs will help both nations to grow. Ask yourself why Musk and Ramaswamy are being placed into DOGE. They are there to reduce government size and waste so that government can be supported off tariffs until tariffs aren't needed any longer.

You seem to think that the US doesn't have the ability to live without other nations. If this were the case, little, dinky Britain would never have never become a world power.

The US doesn't need China as much as China and the world need the US. You are totally missing it. And it shows, easily, in the fact that you seem to have to call me names... because you don't have anything else in your favor. It's the only thing you can do. You don't have anything else. You are kinda pathetic. Most of Britain isn't like that.

[Faktpanic]

We'll see, it's too early to judge...

[paxmao]

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Tariffs is even simpler than you say.

- Tariffs incentivize average citizens to make their own products so we don't need to rely on other nations.
- Tariffs supply money to government so we don't need income taxes.
- Tariffs give us money and manufacturing strength.
- Tariffs equal MAGA.

It's so simple it's scary.

It is very simple, but quite the opposite. How is having tariffs going to make your manufacturing stronger? It is exactly the opposite, you really, urgently need to read more about protectionism. The only beneficiaries are the large companies of the US, nobody else.

It is so simple that it is scary you do not understand it. US consumers will have no choice and will be held hostage by the local companies and will not be able to shop for better prices elsewhere. What it is exactly that you do not understand?

You will not "need other nations", but all the other nations will be producing better and cheaper because there is competence in prices.

The money you get from tariffs is paid by the US consumer!! The other nations will be selling their products pre-tariff at the same price, it will be the US citizens only paying the extra - a hidden tax.

There's only one benefit to protectionism, it is creating jobs - that the US does not need at the moment - all the rest goes to the monopolits of the US dumBAss. Who do you think has paid for Trumps campaign stupid!

Actually, it's this simple. It doesn't have to do with a contest between nations. All it has to do with is what a nation is willing to do for itself.

It won't hurt the US to cut off trade with China. It will only hurt China. America can MAGA anything for itself that it wants. It's China that will fail without America buying their junk.

Price relationships between nations are fake, built by the greedy jokers who want the China slaves to make products cheaply. Tariffs will help both nations to grow. Ask yourself why Musk and Ramaswamy are being placed into DOGE. They are there to reduce government size and waste so that government can be supported off tariffs until tariffs aren't needed any longer.

You seem to think that the US doesn't have the ability to live without other nations. If this were the case, little, dinky Britain would never have never become a world power.

The US doesn't need China as much as China and the world need the US. You are totally missing it. And it shows, easily, in the fact that you seem to have to call me names... because you don't have anything else in your favor. It's the only thing you can do. You don't have anything else. You are kinda pathetic. Most of Britain isn't like that.

And meanwhile you live in a parallel planet, with parallel rules of physics and parallel economic laws, the crude reality is that the currencies of nations are always competing. In the end, Trump may simply not be able to carry out the initial plan - which is already well wattered down - not even his usual "plan B" which is a minimal ultra-reduced version of it.

Good for US consumers if he can't, you cannot cheat your way into making your country a leader in manufacturing.

Again, US does not "need" China, but it certainly need to supply the immense number of underpaid and poor people in the country with goods - and they cannot pay "american made". Those who can pay it are de-facto paying a hidden tax to the US plutocrats.

A very simple example: Elon Tesla car cannot compete with the costs and quality of Chinesse made cars. He finances Trump, Trump slaps a tarrif. End result, you now have to either buy his expensive Tesla or pay the same for the Chinese. Guess who is going to pay the bill of "US made"? Hint: Not Elon.

[BADecker]

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Actually, it's this simple. It doesn't have to do with a contest between nations. All it has to do with is what a nation is willing to do for itself.

It won't hurt the US to cut off trade with China. It will only hurt China. America can MAGA anything for itself that it wants. It's China that will fail without America buying their junk.

Price relationships between nations are fake, built by the greedy jokers who want the China slaves to make products cheaply. Tariffs will help both nations to grow. Ask yourself why Musk and Ramaswamy are being placed into DOGE. They are there to reduce government size and waste so that government can be supported off tariffs until tariffs aren't needed any longer.

You seem to think that the US doesn't have the ability to live without other nations. If this were the case, little, dinky Britain would never have never become a world power.

The US doesn't need China as much as China and the world need the US. You are totally missing it. And it shows, easily, in the fact that you seem to have to call me names... because you don't have anything else in your favor. It's the only thing you can do. You don't have anything else. You are kinda pathetic. Most of Britain isn't like that.

And meanwhile you live in a parallel planet, with parallel rules of physics and parallel economic laws, the crude reality is that the currencies of nations are always competing. In the end, Trump may simply not be able to carry out the initial plan - which is already well wattered down - not even his usual "plan B" which is a minimal ultra-reduced version of it.

Good for US consumers if he can't, you cannot cheat your way into making your country a leader in manufacturing.

Again, US does not "need" China, but it certainly need to supply the immense number of underpaid and poor people in the country with goods - and they cannot pay "american made". Those who can pay it are de-facto paying a hidden tax to the US plutocrats.

A very simple example: Elon Tesla car cannot compete with the costs and quality of Chinesse made cars. He finances Trump, Trump slaps a tarrif. End result, you now have to either buy his expensive Tesla or pay the same for the Chinese. Guess who is going to pay the bill of "US made"? Hint: Not Elon.

The thing you are forgetting is supply and demand, without regs. Regs can exist for the big guys and be reduced for the little guys. America making its own products to sell to itself, is simply taking other countries of the world out of the equation. America is easily big enough to supply all of its own needs without the other countries of the world. What this does is MAGA, without having the other countries to be a weight around the neck of America.

What would a BRICS of trade between other countries of the world do? Let them do it if they want. America doesn't need them. MAGA, without the added weight of other countries. But the best thing that will come out of this is that Americans will recognize that each State is a country within the US. There will be no lack of trade between these American 'countries'. MAGA.




Trump is serious about tariffs, lol. Be scared you other countries. Tariffs are coming. Kneel or die, lol. Study the info at the site, and see that tariffs bring in tons of money. Trump will be able to easily cancel the IRS tax.Everybody will benefit from tariffs.


Should We Take Trump Seriously or Literally on Huge Tariff Hikes?


https://mishtalk.com/economics/should-we-take-trump-seriously-or-literally-on-huge-tariff-hikes/
Trump Not Budging on Tariffs

The Wall Street Journal reports CEOs Want Trump to Change Course on Tariffs. He Isn't Budging.

Donald Trump's tariff threats have triggered a behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to soften or alter the president-elect's plans. But the effort faces a potentially insurmountable roadblock: Trump isn't budging.

So far, executives are facing setbacks as they canvass Trump's aides for advice on how to influence the president-elect's next steps. Trump is largely acting on his own, leaving his incoming team of advisers with few opportunities to shape his thinking. His recent late-night social-media statements about tariffs have come with little warning even to some of his closest allies, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trump's team has told corporate consultants there is no waving the president-elect off his plans to make liberal use of tariffs once he gets into office, the people said.

Late last month, Trump said in a Truth Social post that he would place a 25% tariff on imports from Canada and Mexico if the countries didn't do more to stem the flow of migrants and drugs across the border. He raised the prospect of imposing an additional 10% levy on goods coming from China because, he said, Beijing hadn't done enough to prevent fentanyl from coming into the U.S. Days later, Trump warned that he could place 100% tariffs on Brics countries, which include Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa, if they try to replace the U.S. dollar as the main global currency. That is on top of his pledge during the presidential campaign to impose across-the-board tariffs of as much as 20% on all U.S. imports.
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Actually, it's this simple. It doesn't have to do with a contest between nations. All it has to do with is what a nation is willing to do for itself.

It won't hurt the US to cut off trade with China. It will only hurt China. America can MAGA anything for itself that it wants. It's China that will fail without America buying their junk.

Price relationships between nations are fake, built by the greedy jokers who want the China slaves to make products cheaply. Tariffs will help both nations to grow. Ask yourself why Musk and Ramaswamy are being placed into DOGE. They are there to reduce government size and waste so that government can be supported off tariffs until tariffs aren't needed any longer.

You seem to think that the US doesn't have the ability to live without other nations. If this were the case, little, dinky Britain would never have never become a world power.

The US doesn't need China as much as China and the world need the US. You are totally missing it. And it shows, easily, in the fact that you seem to have to call me names... because you don't have anything else in your favor. It's the only thing you can do. You don't have anything else. You are kinda pathetic. Most of Britain isn't like that.

And meanwhile you live in a parallel planet, with parallel rules of physics and parallel economic laws, the crude reality is that the currencies of nations are always competing. In the end, Trump may simply not be able to carry out the initial plan - which is already well wattered down - not even his usual "plan B" which is a minimal ultra-reduced version of it.

Good for US consumers if he can't, you cannot cheat your way into making your country a leader in manufacturing.

Again, US does not "need" China, but it certainly need to supply the immense number of underpaid and poor people in the country with goods - and they cannot pay "american made". Those who can pay it are de-facto paying a hidden tax to the US plutocrats.

A very simple example: Elon Tesla car cannot compete with the costs and quality of Chinesse made cars. He finances Trump, Trump slaps a tarrif. End result, you now have to either buy his expensive Tesla or pay the same for the Chinese. Guess who is going to pay the bill of "US made"? Hint: Not Elon.

The thing you are forgetting is supply and demand, without regs. Regs can exist for the big guys and be reduced for the little guys. America making its own products to sell to itself, is simply taking other countries of the world out of the equation. America is easily big enough to supply all of its own needs without the other countries of the world. What this does is MAGA, without having the other countries to be a weight around the neck of America.

What would a BRICS of trade between other countries of the world do? Let them do it if they want. America doesn't need them. MAGA, without the added weight of other countries. But the best thing that will come out of this is that Americans will recognize that each State is a country within the US. There will be no lack of trade between these American 'countries'. MAGA.




Trump is serious about tariffs, lol. Be scared you other countries. Tariffs are coming. Kneel or die, lol. Study the info at the site, and see that tariffs bring in tons of money. Trump will be able to easily cancel the IRS tax.Everybody will benefit from tariffs.

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Trump Not Budging on Tariffs

The Wall Street Journal reports CEOs Want Trump to Change Course on Tariffs. He Isn't Budging.

Donald Trump's tariff threats have triggered a behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to soften or alter the president-elect's plans. But the effort faces a potentially insurmountable roadblock: Trump isn't budging.

So far, executives are facing setbacks as they canvass Trump's aides for advice on how to influence the president-elect's next steps. Trump is largely acting on his own, leaving his incoming team of advisers with few opportunities to shape his thinking. His recent late-night social-media statements about tariffs have come with little warning even to some of his closest allies, according to people familiar with the matter.

Trump's team has told corporate consultants there is no waving the president-elect off his plans to make liberal use of tariffs once he gets into office, the people said.

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I think that Trump will try to improve international trade deals by slapping tariffs or threatening to. However it is very unlikely that he is going to achieve any result out of it other than yet another self-cheering operation.

International deals are fine-tuned and usual the result of many years of technical negotiations. Comming into the party pretending to know more than anyone else is bound to cause a dissaster - but a disassarter to all. Trump knows the report that has been presented above, he just thinks he does not need to work with numbers or data.