My first post in the forum

[BitcoinFather]

Hi everyone,

I've been lurking for years and this is my first post. Bitcoin hit 100K dollars several days ago. Congrats on the achievement. As the bitcoin father, I'm quite sure that it will hit 1 million dollars sooner or later. Let's see.

Considering investing on bitcoin, I have some questions. First and foremost, how can we keep the trade safe enough? I'm living in China and as everyone knows, it's not legal to trade here. I can top up of course but there's no way to withdraw and convert to CNY in any exchange. The P2P transaction can be detected by the bank and my account will be blocked, so I dare not use this way to trade. Anyone has some suggestion? Moreover, how should I use Trezor Suite desktop APP? Due to Internet blocking (GFW), I have no access to trade without VPN. However, the common ones only work for browser pages, which does not support Trezor APP. Last but not least, if someone is rich enough, please donate some to me. The economic outlook in China is looking grim because of the high unemployment rate. Almost everything related to the economy tends to be in decay. If anyone is willing to give me a hand, just contact me or make some comments.

[Plaguedeath]

Welcome to the forum.

Since you said CEX and P2P aren't possible in your country, then there are only two options left.

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

The second one is fly to Macau or Hongkong, Bitcoin is legal there.

This forum not allow begging.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

You might want to move this thread to Beginners & Help, since it's your first post and contains a number of subjects that don't fit neatly into Bitcoin Discussion.  You can do that yourself or perhaps one of the mods will if they see fit.  You might get answers to your questions there; this section is filled with garbage posters who just want to post for the sake of their campaigns, and in the end you probably won't have any good advice come your way.

And by the way, bitcoin hitting $1M would be increasing by 10x (obviously), and normally I'd be the first to say "no way!".  But after seeing the market heat up the way it has over the past decade, I wouldn't rule that out at all.  Hopefully it'll get there slowly and not in the form of a bubble that's going to pop....but who knows. 

[BitcoinFather]

You might want to move this thread to Beginners & Help, since it's your first post and contains a number of subjects that don't fit neatly into Bitcoin Discussion.  You can do that yourself or perhaps one of the mods will if they see fit.  You might get answers to your questions there; this section is filled with garbage posters who just want to post for the sake of their campaigns, and in the end you probably won't have any good advice come your way.

And by the way, bitcoin hitting $1M would be increasing by 10x (obviously), and normally I'd be the first to say "no way!".  But after seeing the market heat up the way it has over the past decade, I wouldn't rule that out at all.  Hopefully it'll get there slowly and not in the form of a bubble that's going to pop....but who knows.  

I'm not a beginner LOL. As for the price, I have said it will definitely increase by 10x just because I'm the BitcoinFather.

Welcome to the forum.

Since you said CEX and P2P aren't possible in your country, then there are only two options left.

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

The second one is fly to Macau or Hongkong, Bitcoin is legal there.

This forum not allow begging.

Aha~ Thanks for reminding me and giving me advice. Both of them are good but difficult. BTW, I'm not begging. I'm not living in poverty compared to other families. I just hope someone could give me some if they are willing. I'm not asking them LOL.

[un_rank]

I'm not a beginner LOL.

You were not called a beginner, but it was suggested you move your topic to the appropriate section of the forum. Not only beginners post in that board.

BTW, I'm not begging. I'm not living in poverty compared to other families. I just hope someone could give me some if they are willing. I'm not asking them LOL.

Asking for personal donations or suggesting people send money to you is not allowed here.

- Jay -

[Catenaccio]

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

Cash is traceable in some cases like if you trade with big cash value and it comes from banks, but if it is peer to peer trade, in person between you and your trade partner, it's more likely anonymous.

I see another option is moving to Singapore which is a cryptocurrency friendly country.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Welcome to the forum.

Since you said CEX and P2P aren't possible in your country, then there are only two options left.

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

The second one is fly to Macau or Hongkong, Bitcoin is legal there.

This forum not allow begging.

Aha~ Thanks for reminding me and giving me advice. Both of them are good but difficult. BTW, I'm not begging. I'm not living in poverty compared to other families. I just hope someone could give me some if they are willing. I'm not asking them LOL.

If you are well off, why are you asking? How many people make up China's population? Maybe we should call everyone and help everyone?
OP, you're off to a bad start, and I'm sure you won't last long here.

[BitcoinFather]

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

Cash is traceable in some cases like if you trade with big cash value and it comes from banks, but if it is peer to peer trade, in person between you and your trade partner, it's more likely anonymous.

I see another option is moving to Singapore which is a cryptocurrency friendly country.

Should anyone consider asking the government in China to allow transaction so that new exchanges can be built?

[Lucius]

Hi everyone,
I've been lurking for years and this is my first post. Bitcoin hit 100K dollars several days ago. Congrats on the achievement. As the bitcoin father, I'm quite sure that it will hit 1 million dollars sooner or later. Let's see.

It would be good if you had found some time in all these years to read the forum rules - maybe then you wouldn't have broken rule number 32? It's not something particularly bad, but rules exist for a reason.

Considering investing on bitcoin, I have some questions. First and foremost, how can we keep the trade safe enough? I'm living in China and as everyone knows, it's not legal to trade here. I can top up of course but there's no way to withdraw and convert to CNY in any exchange.---. Last but not least, if someone is rich enough, please donate some to me.
~snip~

I would write that you are breaking another rule, but does that even make sense given your stance. If you can't convert BTC to fiat, then what's the point of donations? There's no logic to it.

If you want a better life, why don't you move out of China? I don't know if that's true, but supposedly CP encourages people to move abroad by financially motivating them.

[reagansimms]

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I'm not a beginner LOL. As for the price, I have said it will definitely increase by 10x just because I'm the BitcoinFather.

It seems you need to understand more details about what @The Skeptical Chymist meant, there he did not say you are a beginner, but suggested you move this topic to the H&B Board.
Pay attention to these words I quoted.

You might want to move this thread to Beginners & Help, since it's your first post and contains a number of subjects that don't fit neatly into Bitcoin Discussion. 

Even if @The Skeptical Chymist says you are a Beginner because as a newcomer to the Bitcointalk forum you always start from Newbie, so you don't need to be offended by this term because the level of measurement is based on your current rank, not your experience outside the forum.

[BitcoinFather]

Welcome to the forum.

Since you said CEX and P2P aren't possible in your country, then there are only two options left.

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

The second one is fly to Macau or Hongkong, Bitcoin is legal there.

This forum not allow begging.

Aha~ Thanks for reminding me and giving me advice. Both of them are good but difficult. BTW, I'm not begging. I'm not living in poverty compared to other families. I just hope someone could give me some if they are willing. I'm not asking them LOL.

If you are well off, why are you asking? How many people make up China's population? Maybe we should call everyone and help everyone?
OP, you're off to a bad start, and I'm sure you won't last long here.

I'm sure you are one of the idiots I've ever seen.

[SmartGold01]

Just the only way to buy bitcoin is to locate people from your country here in the forum, send them your address to send you bitcoin while you send CHY to them, with this while making transactions you wouldn't include any cryptocurrency related words therefore, they wouldn't question you for having transfer of money to other account. This is similar to our country as well, when you make transaction and include cryptocurrency related words automatically your account is blocked. you can transfer on P2P (person 2 person) without any restrictions, and of which you wouldn't dare using any crypto word while sending out payment to him.

Last but not least, if someone is rich enough, please donate some to me. The economic outlook in China is looking grim because of the high unemployment rate. Almost everything related to the economy tends to be in decay. If anyone is willing to give me a hand, just contact me or make some comments.

If I am not mistakenly enough this part is the Major reason why you created this topic but you just wanted to sugar-coat it without being to straightforward asking to people to make donations. Usually there is economic crisis almost everywhere and the inflation is eaten everyone up, so you gat to live within your means than entirely relying on anyone for assistance and support over here. Between it's very hard for low profile person to raise a concern about financial assistance and they honors it.

[Die_empty]

If you are well off, why are you asking? How many people make up China's population? Maybe we should call everyone and help everyone?
OP, you're off to a bad start, and I'm sure you won't last long here.

I'm sure you are one of the idiots I've ever seen.

You are really starting on a wrong note. There are people from less-developed nations on this forum and they are facing more terrible economic problems than Chinese citizens. Yet they have stayed in the forum and obeyed the no-begging rule. Most people who focus on seeking financial assistance instead of pursuing knowledge usually don't last long on the forum. They would end up being disappointed and frustrated. You will succeed here if you focus more on learning than any other thing. Insulting someone because of her comment is unnecessary, you have to grow a thick skin.         

[batang_bitcoin]

Fly to Hong Kong or Taiwan and do the transaction there. It's even cheaper and will get you out of any scare that you're feeling since it's not allowed to do the trade in mainland China. So, there's nothing to be worried if you are going to hold for long term and wait until you're ready to sell. And when you are, that's how it goes. Go to the nearest land to mainland just like those two places that I've mentioned if not, Singapore and Macau could be a better choice and that's where you should open your holdings through your own laptop or device to sell whether in P2P or direct exchanges where they're not banned into those areas.

[bias]

Last but not least, if someone is rich enough, please donate some to me.

For what reason precisely? Do you run a project? Besides the obvious one, which is begging.

I'm not a beginner LOL.

That statement makes you even more foolish than a noob.

BTW, I'm not begging. I'm not living in poverty compared to other families. I just hope someone could give me some if they are willing. I'm not asking them LOL.

And that's why you won't get anything. LMAO

[DiMarxist]

The first one is F2F, where you buy Bitcoin using cash, cash is anonymous, so they will not able to track your money.

Thanks for this little information but it is not the best. Because it will cost additional expenses for the seller or the buyer, whoever travel to meet the other will spend more on transport unless they are on the same location with 10 to 20 kilometers trek or movement.
Op you are still dreaming and I you have to wake up from that deep sea dream. Bitcoin is still in $100k and you are dreaming 1m, and the funny part is that, you said it is coming soon. There are something you need to avoid saying because it is not realistic at the moment. Bitcoin started from 1-100 as it is for 15 good years now and it will start again from 100 to 1m and we don't know when that will happen and it will at anytime soon.

[Stablexcoin]

Just the only way to buy bitcoin is to locate people from your country here in the forum, send them your address to send you bitcoin while you send CHY to them, with this while making transactions you wouldn't include any cryptocurrency related words therefore, they wouldn't question you for having transfer of money to other account. This is similar to our country as well, when you make transaction and include cryptocurrency related words automatically your account is blocked. you can transfer on P2P (person 2 person) without any restrictions, and of which you wouldn't dare using any crypto word while sending out payment to him.

Can you trust having a transaction with someone who is not ready to buy Bitcoin but prefers begging one way or another? I believe OP is familiar with Bitcoin this means he is somewhat familiar with how to buy Bitcoin if he wants to but he chose to ask for help here. However, your suggestions are good he should identify his local board there are persons who will be willing to have a fair trade with him.

The second one is fly to Macau or Hongkong, Bitcoin is legal there.

Well said.

He can also visit Shenzhen and cross the border to Hong Kong. There are Bitcoin ATMs and brick-and-mortar crypto exchanges in Hong Kong where he can buy Bitcoin with ease.

[DiMarxist]

Can you trust having a transaction with someone who is not ready to buy Bitcoin but prefers begging one way or another?

How can you sell to someone or buy from someone that is not ready. You guys must have negotiated and agreed on the price before proceeding so it is not begging. And that is the real meaning of p2p.

The second one is fly to Macau or Hongkong, Bitcoin is legal there.

Well said.

I don't think that is a well said. Though I don't know the distance between the two countries and the Cities but how many bitcoins the Op wants to buy that he will be paying that transport everytime. It is better he find someone close the him who is willing to sell bitcoins for him than going to another places to buy.

[Familian]

Considering investing on bitcoin, I have some questions. First and foremost, how can we keep the trade safe enough? I'm living in China and as everyone knows, it's not legal to trade here. I can top up of course but there's no way to withdraw and convert to CNY in any exchange. The P2P transaction can be detected by the bank and my account will be blocked, so I dare not use this way to trade. Anyone has some suggestion?

How will the bank uncover that the money transferred into your account by a client through P2P trading is from bitcoin transaction without a crypto word attaching the transaction?

P2P as I know it in CEX it only demands the buyer of your coins to transfer the amount in fiat from his bank account to your own bank account as every other regular fiat transactions between different bank accounts holders.

The bank can only detect when the buyer while transfering the money to your account had to use crypto related words or symbol in the transaction description. So all you have to do is to ask the sender to not use crypto related words.

[Platinumys]

Welcome to this forum, like you I am a new member in this forum but my difference with you is that you are the first post after me and I have posted several posts in this forum before. Best of luck to you in the future, hope you don't get lost like others but give advice regularly and push yourself far.  Apply your maximum patience in staying in the forum, this will help you to move forward in the forum.