Need Your Support or Opposition

[JollyGood]

Personally I am not against using the Reputation board for matters that could also be listed in the Scam Accusations board and if there is merit it should be supported. Having said that, in this particular instance from what I can understand (unless I am missing the obvious), Rollbit have stated their downtime would have had no impact on the outcome. Is this what your actual complaint is based on?

Also, now that you have received a definitive response from Rollbit stating they will not review the matter again, what is your next step in your complaint? I ask because you have brought your matter to the forum for the members to look and we have therefore the pertinent question has to be about what you intend as your next step.

I have posted this in scam accusations, however after looking; I think this place is a better place to share this hence the Rollbit’s reputation should be questioned after this event that had happened to me.

[tetaeridanus]

Personally I am not against using the Reputation board for matters that could also be listed in the Scam Accusations board and if there is merit it should be supported. Having said that, in this particular instance from what I can understand (unless I am missing the obvious), Rollbit have stated their downtime would have had no impact on the outcome. Is this what your actual complaint is based on?

Also, now that you have received a definitive response from Rollbit stating they will not review the matter again, what is your next step in your complaint? I ask because you have brought your matter to the forum for the members to look and we have therefore the pertinent question has to be about what you intend as your next step.

I have posted this in scam accusations, however after looking; I think this place is a better place to share this hence the Rollbit’s reputation should be questioned after this event that had happened to me.

Hello JollyGood,

Thanks for your interest;

I have as I have described above; believe and have proof that I should be compansated according to rollbit’s policy that they have applied after this sudden maintenance event.

Just because my position wasn’t liquidated doesn’t mean I wasn’t affected from downtime. I was affected with a 40.000 usd loss while being stripped of my ability to control my position. They have answered as you can see stating my previous trading history as proof that the downtime would have no impact on my trade from an assumption point of view, giving previous 5 trades as evidence.

Even if they have gave 165 of the trades as proof (which they can’t because it will contradict their assumption) this would not change the fact that they have not looked at liquidated users’ past trades while compansating them (or the people who got stop losses)

I would also add that why did rollbit then compansate my 800 usd trade, which had no stop loss and got liquidated.

Because of the amount of money, they are dodging this case with not even their ToS, but my previous trades as evidence. Which is a blantant scam attemt.

I have came here and wrote these, so to show people how Rollbit Razer acts on his users, don’t even care about his reputation, and how easily he can close a topic.

He avoided and is avoiding responsibility on this case, so I opened a flag to him; to not only him to reconsider his actions but to show the site which he holds a signature campaign, how he treats his users.


The latter of the incident is talked between me and my attorney. If you are interested or it is a must for me to describe what I will do about this case in the future, I would rather talk privately about this.

Thanks for your interest in the topic JollyGood.

Regards.

[suzanne5223]

The issue the Op was experiencing is something I pointed out in my last post.
It is time for every gambler to start prioritizing the terms and conditions (that include the rules and regulations) of all the casinos they're using because this is the only way to avoid complications.
Having said that, I honestly don't see the casino refunding the OP based on what was stated in the email he/she screenshotted. Their point was maintenance notification was pinned, the OP doesn't apply stop lost, and he/she manually cancels the trade when the site comes back online.
Technically, they are saying no refund for OP.

So... Am I to infer here that had he let himself get liquidated, would he get his $ back?

This is something only the casino team can provide an answer to but from what I read in the email sent by the casino support which the OP provided the chance of him/her getting the fund is slim.

Was that the problem here? That interface above someone posted looks shady. why do something like that?

According to the screenshot email. I believe the problem was OP placing the trade 1-2min when the casino had their platform maintenance, and manually canceling the leverage trade at a loss when the casino was back online.

[tetaeridanus]

Dear owlcatz,

As you can see from my original thread, my 800 usd trade with no stop loss was liquidated during the maintenance, and was compansated fully with even a bonus on top. This should answer your question.

Your opposition’s reasoning doesn’t fit this case.

Altough I respect your opinion, you literally said you opposed because I don’t care about $.

This is a blantant scam attempt from rollbit.com.

With respect.

[Fixelifix]

I am opposing. OP has some sort of problem, just read his posts at casino guru. All got rejected.
Reminder:

https://casino.guru/stake-casino-the-player-s-self-exclusion-failed-2

"The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts."

https://casino.guru/rollbit-casino-player-requested-a-refund-of-his-deposits

The player from Turkey was able to open a new account despite an active self-exclusion. After reviewing all available evidence, we ended up rejecting the complaint.

[tetaeridanus]

I am opposing. OP has some sort of problem, just read his posts at casino guru. All got rejected.
Reminder:

https://casino.guru/stake-casino-the-player-s-self-exclusion-failed-2

"The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts."

https://casino.guru/rollbit-casino-player-requested-a-refund-of-his-deposits

The player from Turkey was able to open a new account despite an active self-exclusion. After reviewing all available evidence, we ended up rejecting the complaint.

You fool also came to my other thread and have put the same message. To all reading, This is a paid bot account controlled by rollbit.com which woke up after months to come to my threads and post to frame me for different causes.

I have bad news for you bud, this account you are talking about does not belong to me; go ahead and ask for my data from Casino Guru.

Secondly, if you are not a bot, you are an imbecile who put stake.com complaint which went on for months. Twice in two threads.


Also another bad news from you, M1cha3lM and you opposed my flag in the same time frame; which means two of the accounts are probably owned by the same person. Which M1cha3lM is known to be a worker of rollbit.com; shows how legit your opposition is.


After all this gets done, AND if you become a legit casino (legal); I am going to sue the fuck out of you especially for paying bot accounts to manipulate people's opinions.


This is why I asked for support here, sadly 2 DT's who opposed don't even know who they are supporting at this point. These people are trying to de-rail the topic and change it to another thing. They know they are at fault here, they are changing the topic so you may oppose me. How about M1cha3lM come up like a man and answer this accusation. You cannot, because you are a coward puppet who is trying to dodge responsibility for your boss.

WARNING!!! This puppet accounts both are controlled by rollbit.com to derail this topic. Their opposition does not value anything.

Fixelifix, M1cha3lM

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[Fixelifix]

I am opposing. OP has some sort of problem, just read his posts at casino guru. All got rejected.
Reminder:

https://casino.guru/stake-casino-the-player-s-self-exclusion-failed-2

"The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts."

https://casino.guru/rollbit-casino-player-requested-a-refund-of-his-deposits

The player from Turkey was able to open a new account despite an active self-exclusion. After reviewing all available evidence, we ended up rejecting the complaint.

You fool also came to my other thread and have put the same message. To all reading, This is a paid bot account controlled by rollbit.com which woke up after months to come to my threads and post to frame me for different causes.

I have bad news for you bud, this account you are talking about does not belong to me; go ahead and ask for my data from Casino Guru.

Secondly, if you are not a bot, you are an imbecile who put stake.com complaint which went on for months. Twice in two threads.


Also another bad news from you, M1cha3lM and you opposed my flag in the same time frame; which means two of the accounts are probably owned by the same person. Which M1cha3lM is known to be a worker of rollbit.com; shows how legit your opposition is.


After all this gets done, AND if you become a legit casino (legal); I am going to sue the fuck out of you especially for paying bot accounts to manipulate people's opinions.


This is why I asked for support here, sadly 2 DT's who opposed don't even know who they are supporting at this point. These people are trying to de-rail the topic and change it to another thing. They know they are at fault here, they are changing the topic so you may oppose me. How about M1cha3lM come up like a man and answer this accusation. You cannot, because you are a coward puppet who is trying to dodge responsibility for your boss.

WARNING!!! This puppet accounts both are controlled by rollbit.com to derail this topic. Their opposition does not value anything.

Fixelifix, M1cha3lM

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Not really. But you are not trustworthy and just blaming Rollbit for your losses. Just read the links I sent from Casino guru. LoL

The player's self exclusion failed as he was able to play casino games. The case was rejected since the player filled different personal information, as the ones that were used in his initial self-excluded account. Therefore, the system could not prevent him from making deposits or the accounts.

Whats the problem with you? Do you think casinos will pay you back when you are changing personal information?

[tetaeridanus]

I have bad news for you bud, this account you are talking about does not belong to me; go ahead and ask for my data from Casino Guru.

Anyways;

I have looked at your topic history which shows how you farmed the merits prior to 120 days. Your account has zero value to a person who has above average IQ, so does your beliefs.

Who believes that your opinion is valid is a loser like your boss Michael and Razer.

Not really. But you are not trustworthy and just blaming Rollbit for your losses. Just read the links I sent from Casino guru. LoL

The only person who is untrustworthy is you my friend not anybody else. I am not blaming Rollbit.com for my losses. If I did I would be demanding my 250.000 USD loss on this account. You are a delusional puppet who came here to talk nothing but utter bullshit.

Whats the problem with you? Do you think casinos will pay you back when you are changing personal information?

Again, another bot reply. I am not asking for a payback nor I changed any personal information. That dispute account was used both by me and another friend. I will not give any more details since you are someone no one should care.

Now I will do the following;

1- Put you on my ignore list, so you can talk to yourself over here.

2- If you continue on spilling shit in my serious thread, I will give negative trust and report you. You cannot come to my thread and spread false information.

3- If you still insist on doing this, I will also open a flag on you.

[tetaeridanus]

Hello 14z4rus,

Thank you for your interest in my cause.

It is obvious that this is a dodging attempt from the casino itself; given that both accounts michael and this flyfix opposed my flag at the same time correspondingly.

I have zero interest in both of them since I have put both on ignore. I don't respect their words or sayings if they continue on this road like this.

Fileflix is not a professional but an amateur framer. This words are not cared by anyone, I can assure you this.

If he is not, then it is so funny, probably he is trying to get paid from rollbit.com for defending them blindfolded.

If his accusation was true indeed (I can assure you it is not with proof), It has nothing to do with this case; compansation or not.

We live in such a world that 0 IQ people can come these forums and open accounts; and even earn 100 merit.

What a world we live in.

[nutildah]

To all reading, This is a paid bot account controlled by rollbit.com which woke up after months to come to my threads and post to frame me for different causes.

Actually it appears they are not:

As long as your a loosing customer they dont care about KYC, when you start winning they will do everything to cancel your withdrawal. Dont wager on Rollbit. Stake is much better and has better bonuses.

If anything they promote Stake, mention them in a lot of posts, but who knows what's going on really. I'm sorry I can't add anything constructive to your dilemma.

[tetaeridanus]

To all reading, This is a paid bot account controlled by rollbit.com which woke up after months to come to my threads and post to frame me for different causes.

Actually it appears they are not:

As long as your a loosing customer they dont care about KYC, when you start winning they will do everything to cancel your withdrawal. Dont wager on Rollbit. Stake is much better and has better bonuses.

If anything they promote Stake, mention them in a lot of posts, but who knows what's going on really. I'm sorry I can't add anything constructive to your dilemma.

Hey nutildah,

MicahelM is a worker of rollbit.com and you can find him in even the chat as a mod or support I don't remember.

They both opposed in the same timeframe.


On fileflix case, it is really shady why he mentions a dispute with stake.com in my thread. Maybe he also works for stake.

Don't you think, he suddenly wakes up and only interests in my threads? Doesn't this concern you nutildah?

 It is nonesense and with an only motive; DE-RAILING the topic, and also framing.

Edit: I see why this bot account has showed up; if not for rollbit but because of my previous battle with stake 2 years ago... Wow...


What is your thoughts in my case?

[examplens]

As you can see from my original thread, my 800 usd trade with no stop loss was liquidated during the maintenance, and was compansated fully with even a bonus on top. This should answer your question.

One more thing to ask you. So you had a case where you asked for a refund because you didn't set a stop loss. The excuse was that the platform was unavailable. Later you repeated the same thing again, you didn't set a stop loss again and the same thing happened.
Has your strategy always been to play without damage control and hope that the house will accept your complaint and refund your losses?

[tetaeridanus]

One more thing to ask you. So you had a case where you asked for a refund because you didn't set a stop loss. The excuse was that the platform was unavailable. Later you repeated the same thing again, you didn't set a stop loss again and the same thing happened.
Has your strategy always been to play without damage control and hope that the house will accept your complaint and refund your losses?

Hello,

Not exactly, seems you haven’t read my initial post?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5520613.0

I never asked for refund of loss before, and have this type of incident happen to me before.

I had 2 open positions when this maintenance happened, 2 of them both had no stop loss.

800 usd one was higher leverage, which got resulted in liquidation during the maintenance.

When I wrote to chat, support said me to write to live support if I got liquidated or stop lossed during the maintenance. Then:

1- I have written to live support.
2- 20 minutes later they said they have refunded my bet.
3- The other bet was still live, but almost liquidated; they denied refunding.


Any more questions? Why do you talk like I am a freeroller? I have posted every evidence of my sayings; open the link and below the original thread, you can see the bets, and refunded or lost.


Edit: Also can I ask what made you believe that way? You can see from rollbit’s response from my old trades, or I can post here. I have lost this amount many times and never asked for refund? Also all threads are about this topic, please read them all and decide.

[JollyGood]

I appreciate the detailed response you provided. This is the key part of your post that caught my eye because you mentioned your conversation with your attorney (which could lead to litigation). As of now there are several threads that had OPs stating they would take various casinos/gaming websites to court but to my knowledge never actually did. I would advise you to think about your next step very carefully.

As mentioned earlier, Rollbit have stated they will not review your case therefore it was important to know your intentions going forward.

What I would advise you is to consider your steps very carefully because no matter how much you believe you have a solid case, that belief will need to filtered down to an easily understood level to resonate with a judge, keeping in mind the defendant will have some of the best lawyers that money can buy. If you lose the case you could be forced to pay their legal fees as well as your own.

The latter of the incident is talked between me and my attorney. If you are interested or it is a must for me to describe what I will do about this case in the future, I would rather talk privately about this.

[FinneysTrueVision]

Razer's 5 dollars a day workers came here to oppose?    I am not SUPRISED.

You can try everything you want, he has all the support he needs in his back and he is not alone in this.

Go and get your 5 usd paycheck you loser, while you are at it; pay for a life coach.

You need to lack any self respect or dignity to be bought by a thief; and blabber bullshit in this forum.

I have also looked at your reply and topic history and cannot fathom but think that why did you suddenly wake up and answer this threads of tetaeridanus with the same answers. Which is strange. Really strange.

What a strange coincidence that your username is just a leet version of the OP’s name and that your entire post history is just you always coming to their defense and attacking anybody who doesn’t agree with their accusations.

This is the following mail from Rollbit.com;

"Hi Mr Lazarus,
…

Using alt accounts to try and manipulate opinions, to boost support on your own flags, and giving yourself merit is enough to discredit the case you have made against Rollbit. I thought the accusation was weak to begin with since they did the bare minimum to absolve themselves of responsibility by giving users enough of a heads up about the upcoming maintenance. If the downtime had resulted in your position achieving a higher profit because it was kept open longer than you otherwise would have, then you would not have expected that result to be nullified. It’s unfortunate this resulted in such a big loss, and I don’t want to kick you while you’re down, but I don’t see much validity to the arguments you have made.

[tetaeridanus]

Hello,

Finneys’True’Vision;

To begin with, no one is hiding anything; you probably don’t have a friend in your real life, so let me tell you he is a real life aquitance, that is closely watching the case here. Unlike you and people like you, no one is hiding anything. If they did, why put the name 14z4rus? Lol at your face.

Secondly; what merit farming you talking about? I merited everyone who had a valid argument and support on the start. Choose to believe whatever you want.

Thirdly; you can choose to believe whatever you want, however be a man/woman or whatever you identify yourself as (I don’t care) and own some dignity, stop taking the topic to somewhere else.

Fourthly; tell me what is weak about the argument and I will answer it. Seems like you have read sh**, camer here and post sh** about me, took a sh*** on my thread and leave. A account who knows me trying to defend does not discredit anything; you might as well take this knowledge and get out of my thread if you are here to change the topic.

Oppose if you like for days,weeks,months but don’t derail my topic, get it?



Else: Also, your behavior is an insult to Hal Finney, who was a advocate for ‘liberation and freedom of information’.


Hello JollyGood,

Thanks for your detailed answer as well;

As I said, I am getting ready for legal action; already, almost finished.

This forum sadly(I should’ve known) is full of spammers and bots who try to de-rail the topic.

Sadly most of the people took middle ground, and who aren’t taking it (especially 2 DTs) opposed the flag.

I will keep my thing going here for all my supporters and opposers as well.

This is what I can publish.

I wish the very well for you.

Thanks.


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[owlcatz]

@tetaeridanus Don't let these people change your topic; I advise you to ignore them as soon as you see this kind of people.

Seems like the swarm is headed towards us.

This guy is using alt accounts and basically just talking to himself for 3 weeks - OFC I'm going to oppose his flag.

I have no real opinion on whether or not he should technically be repaid, but had it been me, I never would have gambled with 70x leverage. that's insane, and from the losses they say you incurred, this can't mean too much to you overall. Are you a degenerate gambler and this was your last bitcoins?

What's the real story. They say you won plenty too, or maybe you said that, I can't keep track. Anyhow, as the poster noted, using alts to boost your cause is not going to help here.

[JollyGood]

I noticed that too, it does appear as though he has created accounts in order to talk himself in an attempt to make the thread relevant and keep some interest going. I suppose you can understand his need to demonstrate some solidarity even if by newbie accounts but more likely than not, in most cases they will stand out like a sore thumb and will defeat the object as the conversation moves from being about the issue to being about the other accounts.

@tetaeridanus Don't let these people change your topic; I advise you to ignore them as soon as you see this kind of people.

Seems like the swarm is headed towards us.

This guy is using alt accounts and basically just talking to himself for 3 weeks - OFC I'm going to oppose his flag.

I have no real opinion on whether or not he should technically be repaid, but had it been me, I never would have gambled with 70x leverage. that's insane, and from the losses they say you incurred, this can't mean too much to you overall. Are you a degenerate gambler and this was your last bitcoins?

What's the real story. They say you won plenty too, or maybe you said that, I can't keep track. Anyhow, as the poster noted, using alts to boost your cause is not going to help here.

[tetaeridanus]

@tetaeridanus Don't let these people change your topic; I advise you to ignore them as soon as you see this kind of people.

Seems like the swarm is headed towards us.

This guy is using alt accounts and basically just talking to himself for 3 weeks - OFC I'm going to oppose his flag.

I have no real opinion on whether or not he should technically be repaid, but had it been me, I never would have gambled with 70x leverage. that's insane, and from the losses they say you incurred, this can't mean too much to you overall. Are you a degenerate gambler and this was your last bitcoins?

What's the real story. They say you won plenty too, or maybe you said that, I can't keep track. Anyhow, as the poster noted, using alts to boost your cause is not going to help here.

If you are going to say something, prove it.

I politely replied to your questions but seem to not even care, huh? Lol, I don’t think you even read my accusation.

This is doing DT Abuse, you are opposing a flag without any reasonable explanation or evidence.

No ones going to tell you stories over bed time, I am not going to continue conversation with a ignorant **** like you, I am not in any way obliged to tell you any more details.

**** rollbits clown, what alts you talking about? I only know 14z4rus as a real life acquitance.

Prove me I have alts here, I will pay you whatever the **** you want. Cheap ****, because newbies or people who are not high levels as you supported doesn’t mean they are alts.

It’s not hard to see you are a loser irl and come here and act like you are **** something.

So you opposed? Nice, go get a life. Or even give me negative trust because you ‘can’.

DT Abuser!

I noticed that too, it does appear as though he has created accounts in order to talk himself in an attempt to make the thread relevant and keep some interest going. I suppose you can understand his need to demonstrate some solidarity even if by newbie accounts but more likely than not, in most cases they will stand out like a sore thumb and will defeat the object as the conversation moves from being about the issue to being about the other accounts.

@tetaeridanus Don't let these people change your topic; I advise you to ignore them as soon as you see this kind of people.

Seems like the swarm is headed towards us.

This guy is using alt accounts and basically just talking to himself for 3 weeks - OFC I'm going to oppose his flag.

I have no real opinion on whether or not he should technically be repaid, but had it been me, I never would have gambled with 70x leverage. that's insane, and from the losses they say you incurred, this can't mean too much to you overall. Are you a degenerate gambler and this was your last bitcoins?

What's the real story. They say you won plenty too, or maybe you said that, I can't keep track. Anyhow, as the poster noted, using alts to boost your cause is not going to help here.

I didn’t create accounts, stop lying; just **** stop.

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[tetaeridanus]

This site only have a few people in DT that matters to me.

It’s clear that you are here to manipulate this topic.

I will be locking this topic due to unsufficient evidence behind an opposition which is an insult to my life situation and dignity. Just because he ‘can’, he opposed a legal battle I am giving. This trust system is a joke.

I hope justice will be served to all of the liars, manipulators and pieces of ****; who I have gave so much time trying to explain my situation for weeks and am getting called that am talking with alts.

in most cases they will stand out like a sore thumb and will defeat the object as the conversation moves from being about the issue to being about the other accounts.

No, not in most cases at; but sold out f***s can use this to change the issue.

At least in real life where you can’t talk behind your merits, but doxxed.

Not only change and manipulate but oppose as well.

Ffs.


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