Which accounts seemed to register in time for competitions including Pizza Day?

[JollyGood]

"be far more conservative when giving merits to newbies"

"One action that members can take in order to discourage and affect the plans of these account farmers (including prolific account operators such as naim027) is to be far more conservative when giving merits to newbies and relatively new accounts that seem to know far more about the forum than real newbies should."

Being conservative with merits to newbies on the basis they are newbies, in my opinion is a wrong action.

Being conservative with merits to newbies on the basis they are operating newbies accounts but are not new to the forum, in my opinion is a correct action.

It is your prerogative how you decide to merit but there is a big difference between the part you quoted and the full quote.

[RickDeckard]

be far more conservative when giving merits to newbies

I'm not going to do that. Merit was introduced to stop spammers, not to discourage Newbies from the few Merits they get. Even if a few spammers manage to get some Merit from me, that shouldn't mean the good real users have to suffer because of them.

I also don't support this suggestion as we can't generalize that all newbies are here for the forum contests/signature campaigns/bounty hunters. While I feel that there is a great percentage that just joins the forum for a quick cash grab (and later realize that it wasn't as simple as they thought), there is also really great users amongst those. The same users that are able to judge if a certain posts is worth meriting, are also the same users that judge that it isn't worth meriting, that is how the ecosystem is balanced. If the user stopped making merit worth posts then this will be reflected on his account long term.

[Wonder Work]

there any accounts that anybody found were created suspiciously close to competitions, contests and lotteries?

I don't know if there is such a thing. Still, if I had made any mistakes, I would not have come to clear my matter, if I had known who created the account. When did someone participate in which contest, and if there were any rules like that, I could not participate because someone had participated. If I had broken those rules, I would have accepted such suspicion or harassment. I have no mistakes and cleared the issues, but it is not good to think negatively and tag me.

Doubting me despite getting permission to participate in the competition is definitely not acceptable. My account activities are completely different. Am slowly learning and moving forward, and you are trying to hinder this. Anyway, learn to think positively and do not harass those who are not at fault. I will always respond because I will not leave the talk where Am not at cheater. Who participated in the contest and when, these can't be the cause of any doubt. Please refrain from doing such injustice, thank you JollyGood. I know you understand my all things.

[nutildah]

Wonder Work creates his account on 20th May 2024 and enters the Pizza Day contest on 21st May 2024. Not exactly the behaviour of a newbie to the forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3632550;sa=showPosts;start=560

Agreed its weird; by itself, I wouldn't personally issue any kind of tag over it. Some type of connections to other accounts would substantiate the "account farm" portion.

2Pizza410000BTC creates his account on 30th May 2023 and enters the Pizza Day contest on 31st May 2023. Not exactly the behaviour of a newbie to the forum:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3558224;sa=showPosts;start=2240

That is low-key hilarious. I hadn't paid much attention to that account, other than I knew it was an alt right off the bat.

I'll tell you the accounts I have looked into, that I suspect are part of account farms, do a good job of keeping their addresses separate and don't make errors when it comes to accidentally posting under other accounts. More sophisticated analyses that may be considered evidence can be performed but its not really worth the cost (time).

[LoyceV]

there is a big difference between the part you quoted and the full quote.

The part I left out of the quote assumes many thing about users. Merit is for good posts, not for users, not for potential alt accounts, just for good posts. If the posts are good, they can have my 4 or 6 Merits. If the manage to repeat that about 200 times, their Merit starts to mean something for ranking up. One way or another, that's a long way to go.
As someone who processed a lot of forum data, I can honestly say I don't want to do a larger "background check" on users before Meriting them. If their post is even slightly worth it, that's enough for me.

[examplens]

The part I left out of the quote assumes many thing about users. Merit is for good posts, not for users, not for potential alt accounts, just for good posts.

This should probably be repeated often. The basic definition of merit is rewarding quality and constructive posts, not users. At least that's how I understood it. I may not agree with some users, but I cannot ignore the fact that some of them know what they are writing and do it well.
Also, I'm not keen on investigating whether some newbie is an alt account or a farmer before giving one or two merits.

[JollyGood]

It does make you chuckle somewhat when you try to understand why somebody that wants to stay under the radar while using farmed accounts would use a name that stands out like a sore thumb and not only that but almost immediately enters a contest too.

There is no doubt about it, 2Pizza410000BTC posts in a very similar manner to a prolific industrial level account farmer that we all are familiar with but what can be seen as making links between accounts is getting more difficult as the compulsive liar is getting better at covering tracks.

He still inadvertently gives away clues out of habit that some members could immediately identify but persuading others to accept it evidence is a different matter altogether.

Apart from Wonder Work and 2Pizza410000BTC are there any accounts anybody found that were created suspiciously close to competitions, contests and lotteries?

2Pizza410000BTC creates his account on 30th May 2023 and enters the Pizza Day contest on 31st May 2023. Not exactly the behaviour of a newbie to the forum:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3558224;sa=showPosts;start=2240

That is low-key hilarious. I hadn't paid much attention to that account, other than I knew it was an alt right off the bat.

I'll tell you the accounts I have looked into, that I suspect are part of account farms, do a good job of keeping their addresses separate and don't make errors when it comes to accidentally posting under other accounts. More sophisticated analyses that may be considered evidence can be performed but its not really worth the cost (time).

[Wonder Work]

Agreed its weird; by itself, I wouldn't personally issue any kind of tag over it. Some type of connections to other accounts would substantiate the "account farm" portion.

I don't know if you notice here that I tried to make my whole point but I'm being misunderstood the opposite way. And how to prove me? I have shared my whole journey, I participated in the contest with permission and yet you think it's okay to misunderstand me like this? I have shared my whole subject and how can you understand if I share? Even after I share the whole thing,  am still being misunderstood. It's not right.

There is no doubt about it, 2Pizza410000BTC posts in a very similar manner to a prolific industrial level account farmer that we all are familiar with but what can be seen as making links between accounts is getting more difficult as the compulsive liar is getting better at covering tracks.

I don't know if you've noticed that my account has nothing to do with it. My journey is totally different but how he made me doubt his journey is amazing to me. Someone came to you and told you that the owner of this account gave you the tag, so where did the matter go? I don't have the slightest idea who is suspected but is it okay for a new member to be falsely accused of someone I have no connection with on this side?

He still inadvertently gives away clues out of habit that some members could immediately identify but persuading others to accept it evidence is a different matter altogether.

I gave you the whole point here you still misunderstand me. If you take a look, you will definitely understand the stark difference with those accounts. I have told you all my solid points in details but you still don't understand.  Dear brother, if I had any such restrictions to participate in the competition, I definitely would not have participated in the competition. Please try to understand the matter because I have cleared the issues completely. I have clearly stated the points to be proved. I'm hopeful that my proof will be accepted. I have proved myself completely but still being misunderstood and how can I prove myself to you?

[Odohu]

The part I left out of the quote assumes many thing about users. Merit is for good posts, not for users, not for potential alt accounts, just for good posts.

This should probably be repeated often. The basic definition of merit is rewarding quality and constructive posts, not users. At least that's how I understood it. I may not agree with some users, but I cannot ignore the fact that some of them know what they are writing and do it well.
Also, I'm not keen on investigating whether some newbie is an alt account or a farmer before giving one or two merits.

You are one person I hold in high esteem especially when it comes to giving out merits.  I remember how you help lower ranking members grow in one of those threads and you do that without bias. Indeed you understood that merits was introduce to bring a process of growth in the forum and that if the flow of merits is truncated, then the forum will be dysfunctional. Anyways kudos to you on your selflessness and happy new year.

I have come to understand that every user have their role in the community, some help in fighting cheaters, some bursting spams, some fighting AI posting, some are helping with knowledge of Bitcoin tech, others in the business of building and helping the newbies and so on. This is what makes the forum unique and we must appreciate such uniqueness and understand that sending merits will follow such diversity as there will never be one method that will be suitable for all.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Apart from Wonder Work and 2Pizza410000BTC are there any accounts anybody found that were created suspiciously close to competitions, contests and lotteries?

Here are few more users whose account was created to participate in Pizza contest: 2Pizza410000BTC, Bd officer, synchronym, Gulttam2a2. Most of these users have received their first merit from Pizza contest. Now they are active in the local board of Bangladesh and sending merits to each other by involving in the discussions. Some of those accounts could be operated by the same person.

It seems that this issue has already been raised several times in 2023. More such accounts were created than last year. In addition, it is important to consider the experience that these alternative accounts gained after many began to accuse them of transferring merits between themselves. This experience did not allow them to make mistakes again and allow themselves to be discovered quickly enough.

[JollyGood]

Thank you for the post, it gives names that were quoted and indeed some of their profiles clearly demonstrate they were created in order to try win a prize in the Pizza contest or at the very least get some merits (as that would help build up those accounts in future).

The Wonder Work account was not in the list below because the post was made in 2023 and the Wonder Work account was created in 2024.

I completely agree, whether it is naim027 or any other nefarious player whenever a group of farmed accounts are caught out the account farmer learns from his mistake and as a result tries harder to hide his trails and any links.

Here are few more users whose account was created to participate in Pizza contest: 2Pizza410000BTC, Bd officer, synchronym, Gulttam2a2. Most of these users have received their first merit from Pizza contest. Now they are active in the local board of Bangladesh and sending merits to each other by involving in the discussions. Some of those accounts could be operated by the same person.

It seems that this issue has already been raised several times in 2023. More such accounts were created than last year. In addition, it is important to consider the experience that these alternative accounts gained after many began to accuse them of transferring merits between themselves. This experience did not allow them to make mistakes again and allow themselves to be discovered quickly enough.

[Wonder Work]

Here are few more users whose account was created to participate in Pizza contest: 2Pizza410000BTC, Bd officer, synchronym, Gulttam2a2. Most of these users have received their first merit from Pizza contest. Now they are active in the local board of Bangladesh and sending merits to each other by involving in the discussions. Some of those accounts could be operated by the same person.

It seems that this issue has already been raised several times in 2023. More such accounts were created than last year. In addition, it is important to consider the experience that these alternative accounts gained after many began to accuse them of transferring merits between themselves. This experience did not allow them to make mistakes again and allow themselves to be discovered quickly enough.

You have shared important things. Am constantly surprised that there is a lot of cheating on the forum. One account is fine to keep yourself fair and to move forward well. Whenever someone tries to handle multiple accounts, it is seen that the account cannot move forward well. Merit transfer through oneself is cheating because there are correct rules for transferring merit, but no one follows these rules. But I did not know anything like this. I have recharged a lot and am trying to learn a lot.

I feel very bad that I'm also being considered wrong by reducing the mistakes of others because I have a fair account. I do not know anything about your list because I came here in 2024. I do not know of any incident in 2023. I could learn this by highlighting various types of posts.

The Wonder Work account was not in the list below because the post was made in 2023 and the Wonder Work account was created in 2024. I completely agree, whether it is naim027 or any other nefarious player whenever a group of farmed accounts are caught out the account farmer learns from his mistake and as a result tries harder to hide his trails and any links.

Yes, but I'm a common user suspected of scams in the forum. Although I know nothing about these, I'm proven wrong even after clearing the matter. I understand I'm being suspected because some people have been involved in such scams on the forum, but I'm not a false person. am clear my all things. I'm affected by scams from other members, but I don't know anything about them.

[JollyGood]

It took some time but inevitably it had to happen. Now you have received negative tags for cheating in campaigns even though the campaign manager (icopress) was generous enough to give you the benefit of the doubt at least twice.

Keeping your deceptions aside, if you can be honest for a moment (and be completely transparent) how many accounts are you really controlling/operating in the forum?

The feedback you left for other members regarding your interpretation of their dishonesty and campaign cheating seems hilarious considering the irony:

Am new to the forum, and I'm learning a lot from you. I want to continue this learning process. I'm moving forward with your guidance and hope to reach a good position one day. But I have no intention of doing anything fraudulent in this forum, and I will not do anything that will cause any problem to the forum's reputation.