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January 10, 2025, 01:06:50 PM
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To be able to win long term, self control is one key to it and I think that's the harder part. As you've mentioned OP, you're having hard time following that percentage you'll be betting from your bankroll and that's why that's the harder part. But once you master the self control, winning long term is very easy and everything that comes easy in front of people like winning in the long term, there's always the story behind it and on how people attained it in the hardest possible ways.
This is a false belief, self-control alone is not enough for you to easily win, you can be as disciplined as you like and always bet no more than 1% of your deposit, but if you have more losing bets than winning ones, or these are bets with low odds, then this will not allow you to have a profit in the long term. In order to make a profit, you need to be a good bettor in any case, who is able to win most of his bets, without this discipline will not be enough.
You are absolutely correct, discipline is not a prerequisite or major criteria required to guarantee any form of winning in gambling, discipline only helps us as gamblers control how much we pour into gambling, and as well as how much we spend gambling, of which we all know that there should be a certain percentage of our income that we should use for our gambling activities depending on how much we are earning, any thing more than that is already not good, same goes with how much time we invest in gambling, we can set all of this, but discipline helps us keep to it.

Whereas winning has more to do with our level of good luck, and knowledge of sports if sports betting is our area of focus, discipline does not increase our winning chances, but only helps us control how much time and money we invest in gambling.
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January 10, 2025, 02:46:38 PM
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This question is directed at all regular gamblers because we are the ones who experience this the most. Personally, I find that learning self-control is harder than becoming a long-term winner.
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Do we have the same struggle?

And how can someone become a long-term winner? We all have good & bad days, if our overall winning rate is over 50% (and I guess most of us are around) we can be happy. Simply said, it's impossible to win all the time, especially if we play lucky-based original, live, and slot games.

It's hard to have self-control in gambling all the time... I guess we are all normal, or at least we wish to play normal in the beginning, but here & there we slip and go crazy. For sure to some people that happens more often than to others.
I always end up like this, especially in slot games. I have some crazy thoughts in my mind whenever a losing streak happens and I think I am being cheated by the online gambling casino application that I am using. Whenever that happens, I will lose control and I tend to keep on depositing even though it's just for the minimum deposit amount. It hurts in the long run as you see your balance being taken away from you slowly.
So yeah, self control is indeed a difficult thing to achieve while maybe winning long term can be done by those who bet in sports who are likely to be good at what they are doing and researching whatever is needed to increase their chance to win.

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January 10, 2025, 04:15:34 PM
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And how can someone become a long-term winner? We all have good & bad days, if our overall winning rate is over 50% (and I guess most of us are around) we can be happy. Simply said, it's impossible to win all the time, especially if we play lucky-based original, live, and slot games.

It's hard to have self-control in gambling all the time... I guess we are all normal, or at least we wish to play normal in the beginning, but here & there we slip and go crazy. For sure to some people that happens more often than to others.
I always end up like this, especially in slot games. I have some crazy thoughts in my mind whenever a losing streak happens and I think I am being cheated by the online gambling casino application that I am using. Whenever that happens, I will lose control and I tend to keep on depositing even though it's just for the minimum deposit amount. It hurts in the long run as you see your balance being taken away from you slowly.
So yeah, self control is indeed a difficult thing to achieve while maybe winning long term can be done by those who bet in sports who are likely to be good at what they are doing and researching whatever is needed to increase their chance to win.

It's a dreadlock of trouble to win at all times and the dreadful thing is to target winning opportunities. The importance of being learned as a player places the player in a position of lesser risks. In slot games gamblers face a fast challenge that requires self control. Due to the quick results in the game, players try to gain immediate control of their lost money, and end up losing more funds in the process.

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January 10, 2025, 05:41:51 PM
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Do we have the same struggle?

Both are hard. Controlling yourself is very hard especially for players who are used to putting money in casinos, this will always make us want to gamble even when the funds run out because curiosity will usually add funds to be able to continue playing so that it exceeds the bankroll that has been set, and winning in the long term is even harder, because gambling is not an activity that can be predicted when you can win, because there is a luck factor that plays a big role, even though it is a sports bet that requires analysis but often we also lose even when choosing small odds.

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January 10, 2025, 07:19:09 PM
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And how can someone become a long-term winner? We all have good & bad days, if our overall winning rate is over 50% (and I guess most of us are around) we can be happy. Simply said, it's impossible to win all the time, especially if we play lucky-based original, live, and slot games.

It's hard to have self-control in gambling all the time... I guess we are all normal, or at least we wish to play normal in the beginning, but here & there we slip and go crazy. For sure to some people that happens more often than to others.
I always end up like this, especially in slot games. I have some crazy thoughts in my mind whenever a losing streak happens and I think I am being cheated by the online gambling casino application that I am using. Whenever that happens, I will lose control and I tend to keep on depositing even though it's just for the minimum deposit amount. It hurts in the long run as you see your balance being taken away from you slowly.
So yeah, self control is indeed a difficult thing to achieve while maybe winning long term can be done by those who bet in sports who are likely to be good at what they are doing and researching whatever is needed to increase their chance to win.

It's a dreadlock of trouble to win at all times and the dreadful thing is to target winning opportunities. The importance of being learned as a player places the player in a position of lesser risks. In slot games gamblers face a fast challenge that requires self control. Due to the quick results in the game, players try to gain immediate control of their lost money, and end up losing more funds in the process.
Self control has been the major reason why many players are becoming addicted to gambling. When you bet on a game that have a fast result which makes you to quickly see the outcome of your bet, sometimes it could increase your curiosity to win especially when you have been making losses over and over again. This will not give us the time to settle down and think we'll before going for the next game. Those that gambled on casino games can be in great danger mostly when it comes to making losses. You could be making losses and be going that the next game is going to change everything. You could continue without seeing any reasonable positive results.
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January 10, 2025, 07:29:48 PM
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Do we have the same struggle?

Both are hard. Controlling yourself is very hard especially for players who are used to putting money in casinos, this will always make us want to gamble even when the funds run out because curiosity will usually add funds to be able to continue playing so that it exceeds the bankroll that has been set, and winning in the long term is even harder, because gambling is not an activity that can be predicted when you can win, because there is a luck factor that plays a big role, even though it is a sports bet that requires analysis but often we also lose even when choosing small odds.

The whole feeling that's make gambler wants to continue playing is sometimes maybe due to some good winning experience that they have witnessed in probably one of their gaming session that have made their mind pinned to always trying to simulate such even when they continue to be on a losing streak and their bankroll continue to be in deep shit, the feeling of replicating such good experience is what makes it sometimes difficult for gamblers to seize playing.

 
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January 10, 2025, 07:42:27 PM
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When a gambler wins several times in a row, an invisible greed is awakened in him, due to which he cannot stop gambling later, i.e. he loses control over himself. If you compare between winning at gambling for a long time and self-control from gambling, self-control is definitely the most difficult task in gambling. A person who once flexiloaded a gambling balance can never stop himself from gambling until the balance is exhausted, in which case it becomes more difficult to remove himself from gambling than to achieve a long winning experience.











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January 10, 2025, 09:09:48 PM
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Do we have the same struggle?
As a gambler self control is very important and if you cannot control your gambling activities, you will not be able to control your emotions and your bankroll, because they work hand in hand. Your problem is thay maybe, you are chasing your losses or you are gambling to make profit by all means. If all thesw are in you head, there is no way that you will be able to have self control when gambling.

Self control has helped with gambling addictions in so many ways,and you can see that gambling needs mental efforts and support to replace the anxiety and impatience.Every gambler needs to possess some level of self control and the problem most gamblers have is that they overdo thier expectations and results.

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January 10, 2025, 09:11:29 PM
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Do we have the same struggle?

Both are hard. Controlling yourself is very hard especially for players who are used to putting money in casinos, this will always make us want to gamble even when the funds run out because curiosity will usually add funds to be able to continue playing so that it exceeds the bankroll that has been set, and winning in the long term is even harder, because gambling is not an activity that can be predicted when you can win, because there is a luck factor that plays a big role, even though it is a sports bet that requires analysis but often we also lose even when choosing small odds.

To resist that temptation of adding more money into your casino balance, you can just lock away some of the funds in your bank account and only keep a small amount that can be used to fill your needs and if you spend the money in gambling  that means you will have to go hungry, with thought in your head, you can stick to the plan of spending just the budgeted amount. You are right, we can not control our losses but we can limit it by betting with small amount.

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January 10, 2025, 09:37:22 PM
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Both are hard to learn. But it gets harder if you find yourself not able to control yourself and your emotions, as it will only prolong your losses, hence winning long term remains a struggle. That's why it's really necessary for us gamblers to do our best in order to set limits and control to ourselves, otherwise it would only make us prone into losses if we keep gambling not manageable.
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Both are hard to learn. But it gets harder if you find yourself not able to control yourself and your emotions, as it will only prolong your losses, hence winning long term remains a struggle.
Well both may be difficult but I think it's best to settle for the conclusion that self control is more difficult since basically more gamblers struggle to maintain it. Another thing is self control can be related directly to long term winning because practically speaking gambling addicts have the least level of self control and as a result they also tend to be the ones who lose most in gambling.
Most times winning on a long term also requires luck aside from self control because gambling isn't solely dependent on analysis and experience. Self control basically Helps you keep track of your habits.

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Which is hard to learn, self control or winning long term?
You can learn how to have a good self-control in gambling. But you can't learn how to keep winning in the long term. There is nothing that can guarantee the winning in the long run, it is something impossible in gambling. Moreover, it is for a luck-based game, the win will always rely on the luck. Even if you are experienced enough, you can't improve the opportunity to win. So, this is actually the challenge in gambling, your win percentage mostly will remain 50:50.


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Whereas winning has more to do with our level of good luck, and knowledge of sports if sports betting is our area of focus, discipline does not increase our winning chances, but only helps us control how much time and money we invest in gambling.
You are right tho, but I must say discipline counts as well because we can't have luck without properly cultured ourselves on how random we picked out games to gamble, even though we must rely on our luck but the major target should how good we are when we shoot our games. This will determined whether luck gonna be on our side or not and of course luck is what majorly drive this game but then we have to also plan well while make our selection/predictions.


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January 11, 2025, 12:22:28 AM
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You can learn how to have a good self-control in gambling. But you can't learn how to keep winning in the long term. There is nothing that can guarantee the winning in the long run, it is something impossible in gambling. Moreover, it is for a luck-based game, the win will always rely on the luck. Even if you are experienced enough, you can't improve the opportunity to win. So, this is actually the challenge in gambling, your win percentage mostly will remain 50:50.

You are right about that, I agree and I think it is a fact that in gambling something that can only be learned and improved are things that lead to risk management with the aim of minimizing the possibility of losing too much, such as learning and improving self-control as you mentioned, and one of the reasons why a gambler will never be able to improve everything that leads to the goal of getting more wins is because no matter what the name of victory can never be known when it comes, you will never know about what makes you win or you will not know about when luck comes especially when you are involved in a type of casino game, and this is the reason why we especially I always advise gamblers especially my closest friends to focus better on various actions to reduce the amount of loss is because that is the only thing we can improve, winning is something that can never be controlled.
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For instance, my plan is to bet only 2% of my bankroll per stake. However, there are times when I increase it to 5%, 10%, or even more, despite knowing it goes against my strategy. This lack of self-control can derail the long-term plan, and that’s a lesson I keep grappling with.

Do we have the same struggle?

Yes, I can understand the challenge you are facing and I also confess that self-discipline is one of the main obstacles we face when it comes to maintaining a long-term plan... It is as if there were a constant struggle between reason and emotion in which, on the one hand, we know that following a well-structured betting plan with good management is essential to achieving long-term success, but on the other hand, emotion and greed can lead us to make impulsive and risky decisions, which end up compromising the entire plan.

But I don't think there is anything completely wrong with that.

There are times in the game when, no matter how well structured our plans are, it is necessary to improvise and adapt to reality... a very good and optimistic outlook requires higher bets, while at other times we can lower them again when we realize that the risk is high. The real problem is when we cannot resist the temptation to increase the bet when we are on a winning streak or when we are anxious to recover losses.

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But I don't think there is anything completely wrong with that.
It’s wrong when you don’t learn to control yourself. As gamblers, it’s normal for us to get emotional during games and sometimes even chase our losses, which often leads to negative outcomes. The real problem is if you keep making the same mistakes repeatedly, that means your long-term goal will never be achieved. So, it’s important to change your mindset and realize that losing self-control is not okay. Focus on staying disciplined to avoid falling into the same traps.

 
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Do we have the same struggle?

Yes, I did face this type of problem in the past now I'm serious about my determination. In fact, people cannot control their emotions. And those who can control their emotions are at the peak of success in the world. So every person needs to control themselves.

It is normal to lose and win in every game. If you always think that you will never lose by winning and winning again, then it is like living in a fool's paradise. Again, if you keep losing everything by playing and playing again, it is also not right for you.

So you must invest a certain amount of money here. If you profit from that certain amount of money, then it is positive and if you lose, then do not invest again. This self-control is very important for every gambler.
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January 11, 2025, 07:43:16 AM
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Both are hard to learn. But it gets harder if you find yourself not able to control yourself and your emotions, as it will only prolong your losses, hence winning long term remains a struggle.
Well both may be difficult but I think it's best to settle for the conclusion that self control is more difficult since basically more gamblers struggle to maintain it. Another thing is self control can be related directly to long term winning because practically speaking gambling addicts have the least level of self control and as a result they also tend to be the ones who lose most in gambling.
Most times winning on a long term also requires luck aside from self control because gambling isn't solely dependent on analysis and experience. Self control basically Helps you keep track of your habits.
Actually, I think self-control can be done as long as we have strict discipline, with that there will be no behavior that leads us to risky actions. It's just that this is a problem that often occurs and I think it's because those who can't maintain their self-control when gambling until they experience something that is detrimental to themselves, after all, it's their own fault, not the casino's. Gambling that involves luck in terms of winning is indeed very appropriate, but I don't think there is luck that can make us get a win that lasts in the long term, because luck usually only happens occasionally and doesn't last long. Maybe if it lasts long it's not luck.
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January 11, 2025, 08:18:29 AM
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It’s wrong when you don’t learn to control yourself. As gamblers, it’s normal for us to get emotional during games and sometimes even chase our losses, which often leads to negative outcomes. The real problem is if you keep making the same mistakes repeatedly, that means your long-term goal will never be achieved. So, it’s important to change your mindset and realize that losing self-control is not okay. Focus on staying disciplined to avoid falling into the same traps.
Exactly. This is basically what self control is all about. As a gambler you have to make sure you keep track of your gambling activities which include how much you spend on staking and how often you win when you do make those stakes. You actually find out that most gamblers are in net loss but it seems like they are even in both win and loss or in win.
The better you keep track the more you can even tell the best games you are good at that help you win the most and with time you develop positive habits. Addicts do the direct opposite hence their condition and losses.

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I would say self control, coz when you have self control you will be able to take decision at right time and won't be under stress.

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