The Ultimate Seed Phrase Security: MEMORIZATION

[JayJuanGee]

In the current world, where cybersecurity threats and natural disasters and theft are prevalent, the best form of security is doing things the traditional way: memorizing a seed phrase. When you memorize your phrase, you are also free from all the risks that you have with the physical and digital storage. Though it takes time and commitment, But still, you are secure knowing your seed phrase is safe and can be used at any time needed. Therefore, attempt memorizing your seed phrase today; you should start memorizing it today if you haven’t. You’ll be glad you did it for your digital assets.

Finally, I found someone who agrees with the idea of memorization being superior. Memorization is the best method in the world in terms of safety and independence. When you memorize your seeds, you no longer depend on other devices, you no longer have to keep them safely secured and you no longer need to worry about if someone finds your seed phrase metal plates.

My opinion about memorization is that you should not use anything longer than 12 words seed phrase. Once you create a 12 words seed phrase, then you write it down on metal plates and keep them safe for a few months but during these months, you'll spend 30 minutes or one hour into memorizing your seeds. I believe that in one month, you'll know it so well that you'll no longer need to save metal plates, so you can destroy them. But keep in mind that you'll have to always remind yourself what are your 12 words seed phrases every day, so it will be sealed into your brain.
P.S. That's just my approach and I really believe that it's safe. Everyone should check their cognitive abilities and be sure before they do this.

You are just as retarded as OP...especially when you are referring to it as "the best."

...Truth be told, I don't even have a seed phrase to remember, so I guess I'm way behind the times. 

Hahahahahaha

Nearly 14 years in bitcoin and no bitcoin, who would-a-thunk?

[iBaba]

I literally wouldn't trust myself to remember my seed phrase with any amount of BTC on the line.  I know I wouldn't remember it.  Sometimes I have to think long and hard to make sure I remember my password to unlock my wallet as it is.  Maybe I just have a terrible memory compared to others and know this about myself, but it seems insane to try and "remember" your seed phrase.  Truth be told, I don't even have a seed phrase to remember, so I guess I'm way behind the times. 

Memorization will be the least option for me in storing my seed phrase and it will also be the least option I can recommend to anyone else regardless of my closeness with the person or his capacity of retentiveness. I know things can happen that will result to the memorized seed phrase to vanish from the brain. Things such as accidents or shocks could bring about forgetfulness in things we've memorized therefore my best option remains writing it in a steel paper or any other hard surface that will be fireproof and free from corrosion. I will also love to use the multiple splitting of the seed phrase into different folders and having each folder locked with a name tag for my own identification, then share it across different locations for a more protective measure.

[apogio]

It's not responsible telling people that memorizing seed phrases is the safest option, because it's a terrible lie.

It only takes one millisecond to have a stroke, or to have a car accident, or to... just die.

If you have backups on physical media and a well constructed recovery plan for family members, your bitcoins are safe.

If you have them stored in your brain, you convict your family to live without inheritance, if you care about it of course.

It's not only unsafe and insecure, but also irresponsible.

[DubemIfedigbo001]

...Truth be told, I don't even have a seed phrase to remember, so I guess I'm way behind the times.  

Hahahahahaha

Nearly 14 years in bitcoin and no bitcoin, who would-a-thunk?

I don't think it's even possible he has no Bitcoin and he's a donator here in the forum, it sounds contradictory.

Maybe he only uses Bitcoin core and has a wallet.dat file  and/or private keys to safeguard.

Or perhaps, he's in a joking mood.

[Churchillvv]

...Truth be told, I don't even have a seed phrase to remember, so I guess I'm way behind the times.  

Hahahahahaha

Nearly 14 years in bitcoin and no bitcoin, who would-a-thunk?

I don't think it's even possible he has no Bitcoin and he's a donator here in the forum, it sounds contradictory.

Maybe he only uses Bitcoin core and has a wallet.dat file  and/or private keys to safeguard.

Or perhaps, he's in a joking mood.

Perhaps it's not a joke because he probably has his bitcoin stored in a cold wallet with seed phrase kept in a well secured manner so he doesn't have to memorize any seed phrase.
However it's really insane to depend on your memory for some asset that the value appreciates over time because it's more like repeating mistakes that you taught others not to make.

[vapourminer]

...Truth be told, I don't even have a seed phrase to remember, so I guess I'm way behind the times. 

Hahahahahaha

Nearly 14 years in bitcoin and no bitcoin, who would-a-thunk?

I don't think it's even possible he has no Bitcoin and he's a donator here in the forum, it sounds contradictory.

Maybe he only uses Bitcoin core and has a wallet.dat file  and/or private keys to safeguard.

Or perhaps, he's in a joking mood.

Perhaps it's not a joke because he probably has his bitcoin stored in a cold wallet with seed phrase kept in a well secured manner so he doesn't have to memorize any seed phrase.
However it's really insane to depend on your memory for some asset that the value appreciates over time because it's more like repeating mistakes that you taught others not to make.

early bitcoin core wallets did not use seed phrases. i still run my wallet that i created in 2011 on core 27.1 and ive still never set up the seed phrase (the HD is lined out in the GUI). ie i have to back up my actual wallet.dat file or risk newly generated addresses not being in my backup set.

i wouldnt keep large amounts that way but spending money is another thing.

[JayJuanGee]

...Truth be told, I don't even have a seed phrase to remember, so I guess I'm way behind the times. 

Hahahahahaha

Nearly 14 years in bitcoin and no bitcoin, who would-a-thunk?

I don't think it's even possible he has no Bitcoin and he's a donator here in the forum, it sounds contradictory.

Maybe he only uses Bitcoin core and has a wallet.dat file  and/or private keys to safeguard.

Or perhaps, he's in a joking mood.

Perhaps it's not a joke because he probably has his bitcoin stored in a cold wallet with seed phrase kept in a well secured manner so he doesn't have to memorize any seed phrase.
However it's really insane to depend on your memory for some asset that the value appreciates over time because it's more like repeating mistakes that you taught others not to make.

early bitcoin core wallets did not use seed phrases. i still run my wallet that i created in 2011 on core 27.1 and ive still never set up the seed phrase (the HD is lined out in the GUI). ie i have to back up my actual wallet.dat file or risk newly generated addresses not being in my backup set.

i wouldnt keep large amounts that way but spending money is another thing.

Sounds scary. 

[Synchronice]

You are just as retarded as OP...especially when you are referring to it as "the best."

I really didn't expect such reply from you.
Do you listen to music or have you learnt any lyrics at school? Don't you remember any of them? If no, then this isn't really for you, that's why I say that everyone should keep in mind their cognitive abilities before they follow this approach.

When you memorize 12 words seed phrase, you are the only one who knows it, you don't have to worry about secure place anymore, it's your brain now. Some might argue that it's not a good idea to memorize but why it isn't if you spend 1st month repeating your 12 words seed phrase for 1 hour every day for 30 days? Will you still forget 12 words after repeating them for so many times? I can't imagine how it's possible for someone to forget it. I don't say that you have to stop after 1 month, you still have to remind yourself seeds very regularly.

You might tell me, what if you get a brain injury, then your Bitcoins are lost. Then, my question is, how will saved seed phrases protect you in that case? If you get brain injury, you'll forget where your seed phrases are saved and you might not even have an idea what they are. Now you might say that your spouse will help you but should you really tell your spouse your seed phrases and about you owning Bitcoin? I think it's not a good idea, especially today when women are far from loyalty and hunt on money.

You are welcome to continue this discussion but please, give me good arguments about why it's hard to remember 12 words seed phrase after repeating them for hours over and over again.

[apogio]

You might tell me, what if you get a brain injury, then your Bitcoins are lost. Then, my question is, how will saved seed phrases protect you in that case? If you get brain injury, you'll forget where your seed phrases are saved and you might not even have an idea what they are. Now you might say that your spouse will help you but should you really tell your spouse your seed phrases and about you owning Bitcoin? I think it's not a good idea, especially today when women are far from loyalty and hunt on money.

I disagree on this part.
Everyone should have developed a proper inheritance plan, exactly for this reason.
Because you want, in case of an emergency, your loved ones to acquire the bitcoin. If everything is stored in your mind, you eliminate every possibility of getting access to the coins.
So, I said above, it's irresponsible to lock your inheritors out of the bitcoin, unless of course you don't care about it. It's your money after all.
But, what I am saying is, if your seed phrase is memorized, then you lock out both yourself and your loved ones.

[JayJuanGee]

You are just as retarded as OP...especially when you are referring to it as "the best."

I really didn't expect such reply from you.
Do you listen to music or have you learnt any lyrics at school? Don't you remember any of them? If no, then this isn't really for you, that's why I say that everyone should keep in mind their cognitive abilities before they follow this approach.

I did not really expect that you are going to want to continue to defend such a position.  

Sure, there might not be anything wrong with memorizing 12 words if you are merely having fun with memorizing, perhaps $100 worth of bitcoin... or maybe temporarily when crossing a border, but not for long-term security of any kind of meaningful value.

When you memorize 12 words seed phrase, you are the only one who knows it, you don't have to worry about secure place anymore, it's your brain now.

I am not proclaiming that it is hard to memorize 12 words, but I am proclaiming it is risky, and not worth the risk, especially if you have any kind of meaningful value.  There are also quite a few of us who have several seed phrases, and we have other things to memorize in our lives.. and  so sure, the more we memorize then the more we are able to memorize more and more things, but I don't want to have to remember to repeat my seed phrases of  each of my 10 wallets or whatever,  once a day, or once a week or once a month, and you are taking real chances if you don't do such repeatings at least once a month, even if you believe that you have such seed phrases well memorized.

Some might argue that it's not a good idea to memorize but why it isn't if you spend 1st month repeating your 12 words seed phrase for 1 hour every day for 30 days? Will you still forget 12 words after repeating them for so many times? I can't imagine how it's possible for someone to forget it. I don't say that you have to stop after 1 month, you still have to remind yourself seeds very regularly.

Remind yourself around once a month or so, otherwise you might have a lapse..  Does not sound like a good idea.  Should I do all 10 wallets at once?  Oh?  Apparently I am going to keep a master seed, and hope no one hypnotizes me to find that out, or that I don't mention those seed words in my sleep or at some other vulnerable time in my mental life.

You might tell me, what if you get a brain injury, then your Bitcoins are lost.

Yes.  I will tell you that.

Then, my question is, how will saved seed phrases protect you in that case?

Your brain injury might ONLY be temporary, and it might not  be complete.  There are a lot of cases, so it seems fruitless to describe all of the cases.  You can do whatever you like for yourself, even dumb stuff, but it seems problematic to be  describing what you are doing as if it were a good practice for anyone except for people who don't really care about their stash being secure under a variety of scenarios.

If you get brain injury, you'll forget where your seed phrases are saved and you might not even have an idea what they are.

Sure.  That is possible.  There are various levels of memory, but still does not make memorizing your seed phrase to be a good idea.

Let's say that I have my seed phrase  engraved  into three pictures that are hanging in my living room..and all three have to be  put together.   I also have  it in in a few other locations with the same method.  I have to remember where those are at, in case I otherwise need the backup seed words.  That is a lower level of  memory.. I might have also written down the secret so that my heirs can put them together if I were to die an they go into  my safe for instructions or if they maybe have to consult  with an attorney to get the contents of a letter that I wrote that gives the combination to the safe and/or other things.

Now you might say that your spouse will help you but should you really tell your spouse your seed phrases and about you owning Bitcoin?

You might not tell your spouse before you die, going back to the  letter from the attorney or some other arrangement.  Sure, there might be  various safeguards to make sure that the spouse  does not know, and would not know  until death and maybe after she rummages through  stuff and maybe you left  some information.. I am not going to proclaim other systems don't have their flaws, but your memorization really is flawed in more ways than conventional ways of having some kind of a written (or stamped backup).

I think it's not a good idea, especially today when women are far from loyalty and hunt on money.

I am not proclaiming that anyone has to leave their spouse with certain financial information... including that no one should leave information with someone that creates motivation for them to help to expedite your passing more quickly than you otherwise would have had.

You are welcome to continue this discussion but please, give me good arguments about why it's hard to remember 12 words seed phrase after repeating them for hours over and over again.

I am not saying that it is difficult to memorize 12 words, and you might even be successful for a long time with that, until you are no longer successful, and it may well could have had been a good idea to have them written down somewhere  so that you could  remind yourself about the $1 million worth of bitcoin or whatever amount that you are holding therein.

I don't have any burden to persuade you to do anything else, and surely anyone is free to do dumb shit and an  overwhelming number of guys who have so far chimed into this thread have recognized that memorization is not a good idea for anything beyond temporary, or maybe fun with a small amount... but not  for meaningful amounts, and you, Tungbulu (aka OP) and/or other guys are free to do dumb shit with your bitcoin.  That is your choice.  It will be all fun and games, until one day you go to access your wallet and you realize that your memory is not as accurate as you had thought... and a sufficient amount is missing that you are not able to recover the wallet and your $1 million worth of bitcoin or whatever might happen to be contained therein at the time that you finally figure out that you need to access your wallet with the seed words..maybe 10 years after you first started memorizing them and maybe 3 years after the last time that you actually verified them by opening your wallet with them.. and yeah, you had been busy in the last 3 years so you had not had time to verify your system by actually opening your wallet.

[Becassine]

Now you might say that your spouse will help you but should you really tell your spouse your seed phrases and about you owning Bitcoin? I think it's not a good idea, especially today when women are far from loyalty and hunt on money.

You are welcome to continue this discussion but please, give me good arguments about why it's hard to remember 12 words seed phrase after repeating them for hours over and over again.

Your comment is totally inappropriate. Scammers are genderless, and if you've had bad experiences with women, that's no reason to generalize about them.

Besides, there are plenty of ways to protect your seed without having to play Russian roulette with your brain. Just ask the investigators if human memories aren't faulty.
And what if one day 12 words aren't enough?

[Tungbulu]

You are welcome to continue this discussion but please, give me good arguments about why it's hard to remember 12 words seed phrase after repeating them for hours over and over again.

I am not saying that it is difficult to memorize 12 words, and you might even be successful for a long time with that, until you are no longer successful, and it may well could have had been a good idea to have them written down somewhere  so that you could  remind yourself about the $1 million worth of bitcoin or whatever amount that you are holding therein.

I don't have any burden to persuade you to do anything else, and surely anyone is free to do dumb shit and an  overwhelming number of guys who have so far chimed into this thread have recognized that memorization is not a good idea for anything beyond temporary, or maybe fun with a small amount... but not  for meaningful amounts, and you, Tungbulu (aka OP) and/or other guys are free to do dumb shit with your bitcoin.  That is your choice.  It will be all fun and games, until one day you go to access your wallet and you realize that your memory is not as accurate as you had thought... and a sufficient amount is missing that you are not able to recover the wallet and your $1 million worth of bitcoin or whatever might happen to be contained therein at the time that you finally figure out that you need to access your wallet with the seed words..maybe 10 years after you first started memorizing them and maybe 3 years after the last time that you actually verified them by opening your wallet with them.. and yeah, you had been busy in the last 3 years so you had not had time to verify your system by actually opening your wallet.

I’ve read through all the comments and responses of everyone, and I believe I have every reason to change my assessment, rather than saying it’s  the best or ultimate phrase storage method, I change my assessment and opinion to saying memorization is rather the best back up storage solution. Although, while I still believe that storing one’s key phrases in a physical location may not indeed offer a 100% security to your assets, but yeah I’ve seen reasons beyond doubt that it does actually provide more security than memorization.

But then again, I was thinking and I believe a much better solution could actually be hiding those words in a song, for those who good with writing songs or poems, it’s possible to compose a song or a poem hiding your phrases inside that song in a way only you could understand, and even if someone else is to read the lyrics of the song, they still wouldn’t find a single clue that the song contains your seed phrases. And then rather hiding those keys in a secret location where there are possibilities that it could be damaged or stolen, you could actually posts or upload the song on different platforms, everyone could have access to that piece of work but would never know what’s embedded on the lyrics of the song. I don’t know, but I think this is a much better solution, because it’ll be possible to access your key phrases, whenever and wherever, as long as you got access to the internet.

[JayJuanGee]

You are welcome to continue this discussion but please, give me good arguments about why it's hard to remember 12 words seed phrase after repeating them for hours over and over again.

I am not saying that it is difficult to memorize 12 words, and you might even be successful for a long time with that, until you are no longer successful, and it may well could have had been a good idea to have them written down somewhere  so that you could  remind yourself about the $1 million worth of bitcoin or whatever amount that you are holding therein.

I don't have any burden to persuade you to do anything else, and surely anyone is free to do dumb shit and an  overwhelming number of guys who have so far chimed into this thread have recognized that memorization is not a good idea for anything beyond temporary, or maybe fun with a small amount... but not  for meaningful amounts, and you, Tungbulu (aka OP) and/or other guys are free to do dumb shit with your bitcoin.  That is your choice.  It will be all fun and games, until one day you go to access your wallet and you realize that your memory is not as accurate as you had thought... and a sufficient amount is missing that you are not able to recover the wallet and your $1 million worth of bitcoin or whatever might happen to be contained therein at the time that you finally figure out that you need to access your wallet with the seed words..maybe 10 years after you first started memorizing them and maybe 3 years after the last time that you actually verified them by opening your wallet with them.. and yeah, you had been busy in the last 3 years so you had not had time to verify your system by actually opening your wallet.

I’ve read through all the comments and responses of everyone, and I believe I have every reason to change my assessment, rather than saying it’s  the best or ultimate phrase storage method, I change my assessment and opinion to saying memorization is rather the best back up storage solution. Although, while I still believe that storing one’s key phrases in a physical location may not indeed offer a 100% security to your assets, but yeah I’ve seen reasons beyond doubt that it does actually provide more security than memorization.

But then again, I was thinking and I believe a much better solution could actually be hiding those words in a song, for those who good with writing songs or poems, it’s possible to compose a song or a poem hiding your phrases inside that song in a way only you could understand, and even if someone else is to read the lyrics of the song, they still wouldn’t find a single clue that the song contains your seed phrases. And then rather hiding those keys in a secret location where there are possibilities that it could be damaged or stolen, you could actually posts or upload the song on different platforms, everyone could have access to that piece of work but would never know what’s embedded on the lyrics of the song. I don’t know, but I think this is a much better solution, because it’ll be possible to access your key phrases, whenever and wherever, as long as you got access to the internet.

Of course, any time that we write something down, we run the risk of someone seeing it who was not the intended recipient, and in order to obscure it, we have to rely on some form of memory.. even to have an envelop inside of one of our books, we have to know that the envelop is there and what the envelope is for.  

There are likely quite a few creative ways to largely obscure your seed words, and you still have to remember how you had obscured them, but having a method of obscuring is not as prone to error as remembering all 12 words through a long period of time.  

I recall one time writing down my seed words (it was 24 at the time) in form that ONLY I would know the pattern in which each of the words were located, and they were a bit disjointed in regards to subject matter of how the words were strung together, and even after a year or two when I was going to access the words, I was doubting myself about the pattern that I had chosen to put the words and if i had indeed found the correct words, so if you were to have written a song with your 12 words, you may well be challenged to such creativity, and for example, if you were to know that the 5th word of every 3rd line was going to be one of your seed words, then you may well have some challenges to accomplish the placement of each of the words in that location in a way that was not overly weird.. but at least you could both have that written form as a backup to your memory, but you could also have your formula written somewhere... such as "5th word in every 3rd line of Magdalena" (and the song is really called Margarita, but for some reason you associate Magdalena and Margarita in terms of a hint that you would not likely forget) and maybe your writing it down was also a way for you to want to pass down such message to someone or if you wanted to remind yourself 5 years later in case you might have forgotten the exact formula that you had used, then your writing of the hint is helpful but the writing of the hint may well be quite a difficult puzzle for your heir to know after you pass and your description might have to be more clear so that the heir would be able to solve your puzzle, but ONLY at the right time..

and yeah there can be challenges in regards to how to pass things down to heirs for anyone wanting to pass down bitcoin value to heirs while assuring that they don't get access prior to your death or prior to your permanent rather than temporary mental incapacitation...and even if you were to be permanently mentally incapacitated, you still may want your heir to feel some obligation to use your money for your well-being until your actual death, and some people want their passed down money to be used within some kind of parameter of their wishes, which also calls for someone who is trusting to carry out such wishes... which also might be difficult to achieve with any level of certainty.

[sokani]

But then again, I was thinking and I believe a much better solution could actually be hiding those words in a song, for those who good with writing songs or poems, it’s possible to compose a song or a poem hiding your phrases inside that song in a way only you could understand, and even if someone else is to read the lyrics of the song, they still wouldn’t find a single clue that the song contains your seed phrases. And then rather hiding those keys in a secret location where there are possibilities that it could be damaged or stolen, you could actually posts or upload the song on different platforms, everyone could have access to that piece of work but would never know what’s embedded on the lyrics of the song. I don’t know, but I think this is a much better solution, because it’ll be possible to access your key phrases, whenever and wherever, as long as you got access to the internet.

What's the difference between what you wrote initially in your OP and what you're suggesting now? Why subjecting yourself to so much stress all in the name of trying to keep your seed phrase safe? Don't complicate things for yourself, your memory can fail you. You could forget a line or two of the song/poem or you could forget the right words even when you write it as lyrics. My advice is, get a clean sheet of paper or metallic steel, write down your seed phrase and keep it somewhere safe.

[Tungbulu]

What's the difference between what you wrote initially in your OP and what you're suggesting now? Why subjecting yourself to so much stress all in the name of trying to keep your seed phrase safe? Don't complicate things for yourself, your memory can fail you. You could forget a line or two of the song/poem or you could forget the right words even when you write it as lyrics. My advice is, get a clean sheet of paper or metallic steel, write down your seed phrase and keep it somewhere safe.

This is called taking extra measure to ensure a super extra security for your assets, just incase of unforeseen circumstances eventually happens in the future. You say, get a clean sheet of paper, write those phrases and keep them somewhere safe. Now I wanna ask you, where is that place that is 100% safe, that place that can ensure that your phrase won’t be penetrated, by either thieves, natural disasters like fire outbreaks and even from memory failure which you are making so much reference to? Even inscribing those phrases on a metal plate isn't 100% safe. So please, would you be nice to tell me that one place that can’t be penetrated.

Imagine hiding it in the safest place in your house and there’s a fire outbreak and everything is burnt to ashes before you’re able to retrieve a single pin, would you still consider your strategy as the best? My strategy can actually save you in such situation and several other situations too. No strategy is immune to memory loss or failure, you could even hide your phrase somewhere safe and there’s every chance of forgetting exactly where you hid it when you have a memory failure.

[sokani]

This is called taking extra measure to ensure a super extra security for your assets, just incase of unforeseen circumstances eventually happens in the future. You say, get a clean sheet of paper, write those phrases and keep them somewhere safe. Now I wanna ask you, where is that place that is 100% safe, that place that can ensure that your phrase won’t be penetrated, by either thieves, natural disasters like fire outbreaks and even from memory failure which you are making so much reference to? Even inscribing those phrases on a metal plate isn't 100% safe. So please, would you be nice to tell me that one place that can’t be penetrated.

Imagine hiding it in the safest place in your house and there’s a fire outbreak and everything is burnt to ashes before you’re able to retrieve a single pin, would you still consider your strategy as the best? My strategy can actually save you in such situation and several other situations too. No strategy is immune to memory loss or failure, you could even hide your phrase somewhere safe and there’s every chance of forgetting exactly where you hid it when you have a memory failure.

Well, I'll give it to you that there's no place 100% safe, but writing your seed phrase on a sheet of paper or cresting it on a metallic steel plate is far more better than what you're suggesting.

To prevent losing your seed phrase to fire, flooding, tsunami or earthquake, it's advisable to have multiple backups stored in different locations. For fear of theft/robbery, maybe you should try building a security safe in a wall like the one in this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5513715.0

[Tungbulu]

Well, I'll give it to you that there's no place 100% safe, but writing your seed phrase on a sheet of paper or cresting it on a metallic steel plate is far more better than what you're suggesting.

To prevent losing your seed phrase to fire, flooding, tsunami or earthquake, it's advisable to have multiple backups stored in different locations. For fear of theft/robbery, maybe you should try building a security safe in a wall like the one in this thread. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5513715.0

And how exactly is your strategy better than what I’m suggesting? The only danger associated with this very strategy is having some kind of a brain damage or complications that’ll make you forget that you actually do have a song that contains your seed phrases, which is also one amongst several other dangers and risks associated with what you are suggesting, so how exactly is your suggestion better?
This time you won’t have to worry about forgetting the lyrics since the lyrics could be scattered across the internet and several other places which you could easily access it even in many more decades to come.

 The same way it’s easy to remember that you’ve got some a piece of paper on the wall of your house, that’s exactly how simple and easy it is to remember the patterns you choose to hide your phrase in the lyrics of your song, so sorry but I really do not think I see how your strategy is better!

You mention hiding your phrase on the wall, so as to avoid theft, would you also break someone else’s wall to hide your phrases too as backup locations? Which is better, having to go through the stress of having to hide your phrase and hoping no one finds it or it doesn’t get destroyed or displaced, or having to save your phrase anywhere you want, your phone, computer, notepad, in your office, anywhere without anyone having a single clue of what they’re looking at when they eventually bump into it. You can also access your phrases from any location at all. Which do you think is better mate?

[Z-tight]

Which is better, having to go through the stress of having to hide your phrase and hoping no one finds it or it doesn’t get destroyed or displaced, or having to save your phrase anywhere you want, your phone, computer, notepad, in your office, anywhere without anyone having a single clue of what they’re looking at when they eventually bump into it.

You seem to have many ideas on how to back up your seed phrase, other users have recommended what could be said to be the safest approach to consider. However, it is your money and you can do you, but many of us will stand against 'bad' recommendations, so newbies do not get misinformed through it.

Storing your seed phrase on your phone, computer or anywhere online is not recommended, when you say 'in your office', what do you even mean, who keeps a copy of their seed phrase in their office. You have so many ideas in your head on how to store your seed phrase and all i can say is goodluck.

[Tungbulu]

You seem to have many ideas on how to back up your seed phrase, other users have recommended what could be said to be the safest approach to consider. However, it is your money and you can do you, but many of us will stand against 'bad' recommendations, so newbies do not get misinformed through it.

Sorry who are other users? Yeah there are some pretty cool recommendations but how exactly can you really call it the SAFEST when it’s got more Cons, Limitations and Drawbacks than my suggested strategy?

Storing your seed phrase on your phone, computer or anywhere online is not recommended, when you say 'in your office', what do you even mean, who keeps a copy of their seed phrase in their office. You have so many ideas in your head on how to store your seed phrase and all i can say is goodluck.

Your response here shows that you either didn’t read the previous posts thoroughly or you didn’t read them at all, else you would’ve gotten a much better insight or what I meant when I suggest storing phrases openly on your phone, computer, online and in your office. So rather than jumping into the conversation without actually knowing what exactly is being discussed, I’d advice you go back and take a much more proper look at the conversation so you’d understand much better because I don’t have the luxury of having to repeat myself or having to fill you in on the conversation.

[Lida93]

But then again, I was thinking and I believe a much better solution could actually be hiding those words in a song, for those who good with writing songs or poems, it’s possible to compose a song or a poem hiding your phrases inside that song in a way only you could understand, and even if someone else is to read the lyrics of the song, they still wouldn’t find a single clue that the song contains your seed phrases. And then rather hiding those keys in a secret location where there are possibilities that it could be damaged or stolen, you could actually posts or upload the song on different platforms, everyone could have access to that piece of work but would never know what’s embedded on the lyrics of the song. I don’t know, but I think this is a much better solution, because it’ll be possible to access your key phrases, whenever and wherever, as long as you got access to the internet.

What's the difference between what you wrote initially in your OP and what you're suggesting now? Why subjecting yourself to so much stress all in the name of trying to keep your seed phrase safe? Don't complicate things for yourself, your memory can fail you. You could forget a line or two of the song/poem or you could forget the right words even when you write it as lyrics. My advice is, get a clean sheet of paper or metallic steel, write down your seed phrase and keep it somewhere safe.

Actually the internet is never a safe environment to save your seed phrase no matter the technique you want to use in storing them. It isn't just sitting fine with me as long as safe practices to storing our seed phrase is concerned. More resistible to me is the idea of relying on our memory about the very technique you OP had proposed.

 I have witnessed people lost memory due to accident which caused injuries to the brain leading to their loss of memory, I mean everything and everyone they've ever known. They had to be taught back everything from scratch like a newborn child. I still believe having it crested on metal or paper using an indelible ink and have it saved in different distant safe locations is best for our seed phrase than memory.