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August 04, 2025, 04:14:08 AM
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work-related communication—it’s incredibly useful.

Seeing the emdash (elongated hyphen) is triggering for me.  Cheesy

Because humans don't use it, so its a dead giveaway that text was AI-generated.

The murky middle ground is that a lot of shitposters will post AI-generated text claiming they are just using it for grammar & spelling but in reality they are using it to think on their behalf. For your particular post, its very straight-forward and doesn't use any of the phrases most commonly used by GPT models. But its a slippery slope to letting machines think on your behalf.
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Is using AI to improve and refine responses considered a mistake on this forum?
Yes, because typical AI can change the content so much, that it is not just a grammar correction tool. It can change whole words and sentences, and quite often hallucinate, and produce responses, which looks correctly, but are totally wrong, when you dig into the details.

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I believe the main goal is to provide relevant and accurate information.
AI can only provide you some data, if they were in the training set, or if a given set of algorithms, used to made a given AI, are smart enough to produce it out of thin air. In all other cases, models will hallucinate, because they are designed to do so. If you have an answer for f(0) and f(1) in a given training set, then the answer for f(0.5) is a mix of both. If you have a big training data, and proper algorithms, then many hallucinations are correct, so AI is perceived as "intelligent". But it isn't much smarter, than data and algorithms, which were used to make it.

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Considering the increasing use of AI in the digital world, is it reasonable to completely ban its use on this forum?
Yes, as long as people will copy-paste all answers from bots, without thinking about it. If I want to talk with bots, then I have a lot of tools, where I am sure, that all replies are produced automatically. I can even run some offline models, to be 100% sure, that I am talking with AI, and not with thousands of humans, connected to some "smart network" in "AI startup".

Here, forum is used mainly by humans, and many people prefer human-written answers. And as long as AI answers are below some level of correctness, it should stay that way. And any AI copy-pasted posts should be reported as plagiarism, especially when AI companies are scraping the web, and mixing content with different licenses, while violating all copyrighted materials. Either that, or "intellectual property" should be discarded entirely as a concept, no matter if it is done by humans or bots. Because if bots can plagiarize any content, then why humans shouldn't. And if nobody should, then bots should also be trained only with data, where the AI creator has the right to use and distribute, and where no license restricts that.

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AI can provide useful and relevant information, as long as the results are carefully filtered.
You can get out of AI only things, which were put into AI during training.

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Could this forum consider a similar feature, rather than completely banning AI use?
AI usage is not banned. The text you are reading now, is written by humans. However, it is not a product of a single individual, but a collective effort of at least three people, if not more (I am not sure about the total size of our network, I can only see shared public keys, and my job is to collect pseudonymous messages, and publish it, with a random time delay, if I consider it useful). We use different tools to produce our content, but the final version is always read by a real human, at least once before publishing, and we use automated tools only as a source of information, but not the source of content. None of my posts are auto-generated, they are always human-made, but there are many tools in use, which can provide accurate calculations (and for example not hallucinate, when I share SHA-256 of something, ECDSA calculations, signed transaction data, or anything else).

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A prime example of incorrect AI 'answers' is it all too often calling mining "a process of solving complex mathematical equations".
This. Ask about any hash function, and AI will tell you, that it is "complex". While in practice, it can be implemented with just a few hundred lines of code in C++, as done by vjudeu here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=293382.msg61865839#msg61865839

And then, you can copy-paste it here, and explore it, try to change values, constants, break some rounds, and so on: https://www.programiz.com/cpp-programming/online-compiler

Or, you can have a more copy-pasterino version, for exploring each individual value of SHA-256. My implementation: https://github.com/stwenhao/small_curves/blob/master/sha256.cpp

My version could be much shorter in practice, but all loops are expanded on purpose, to make analysis easier, and to allow focusing on individual rounds, and writing equations like "z21=g20+s2(h24)+ch(h24,e20,f20)+k21+w21" easier, and compare, if given simplifications are true or not, for a given message.
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August 18, 2025, 10:25:43 PM
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AI is so yesterday .....Emotional Intelligence is just about to juice it up for the masses......very soon. Maybe the forum AI responses will become more emotional and you will no longer know they are AI responses?

AI is NOT your friend and your future personal assistant will only assist you in becoming a walking talking corpse that sounds really smart but is actually very foolish.

Get right with Jesus Christ of Nazareth (The real one)
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October 08, 2025, 03:15:10 AM
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2 differences.

User A: Reads post, copies entire text of thread, "hey ChatGpt, respond to this - make it sound like me"
User B: Reads post, writes a response. Copies / pastes their response into ChatGPT to clean up grammer, prompt further context/thinking, perhaps changes wording/formatting

User A is adding AI intelligence - which frankly, adds nothing to the forum. It's 0 value
User B is still adding value, albeit having their intelligence reworded.

I see nothing wrong with User B. I see everything wrong with User A.
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October 14, 2025, 02:56:00 PM
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Hello everyone,

I would like to ask a few questions regarding the use of AI on this forum. Recently, I noticed some negative feedback towards users who use AI in their posts or responses. I would like to discuss the following points:

1. Is using AI to improve and refine responses considered a mistake on this forum? I believe the main goal is to provide relevant and accurate information.

2. Considering the increasing use of AI in the digital world, is it reasonable to completely ban its use on this forum? AI can provide useful and relevant information, as long as the results are carefully filtered.

3. Many other platforms have started adding features like "this content was created by AI." Could this forum consider a similar feature, rather than completely banning AI use?

I would love to hear the thoughts of the entire forum community on this matter. Thank you for your time and responses!

I wouldn't say using AI is bad, however copying and pasting AI content doesn't really add up as we all have access to AI. It is one's ability to refine an AI content and it give it a human feel that makes it interesting.
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August 21, 2026, 02:08:40 PM
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I had no idea using AI was a problem when I came back.
And i had around 150 posts when I returned.
AI rules seem to be applied very selectively.
I understand the problem when someone posts some weird AI generated nonsense or pretends to have knowledge they dont have.

Also Theymos said that using AI for a few posts is not a problem, but people act like they are AI police.
The point was to stop newbies from coming here and spamming with AI.
Not to go after someone who has been around Bitcoin for 14 years and has been on this forum since 2018 because of 3 or 4 posts after coming back.
The best part is the tools they use to detect AI.
services are selling AI text to human text rewriting
A 2025 account with a few months of activity can run an older members posts through these Ai detector services and report them.
That is where this whole thing starts getting ridiculous.

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August 21, 2026, 03:33:12 PM
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AI rules seem to be applied very selectively.
I understand the problem when someone posts some weird AI generated nonsense or pretends to have knowledge they dont have.


You can make a report in the AI spam topic and provide evidence when you believe the rules aren’t being applied to somebody. Moderators usually act on those reports.

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Also Theymos said that using AI for a few posts is not a problem, but people act like they are AI police.
The point was to stop newbies from coming here and spamming with AI.
Not to go after someone who has been around Bitcoin for 14 years and has been on this forum since 2018 because of 3 or 4 posts after coming back.

It doesn’t matter how long you’ve been on the forum. You are still not allowed to break the rules. The way you were using AI didn’t comply with those guidelines.

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The best part is the tools they use to detect AI.
services are selling AI text to human text rewriting

Those detectors that also offer paid text humanizing services tend to be less reliable and I try to avoid them. Nothing like that was used in the report made against you.

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A 2025 account with a few months of activity can run an older members posts through these Ai detector services and report them.
That is where this whole thing starts getting ridiculous.

A newbie is just as capable of identifying AI generated posts as anybody else. There isn’t any reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to make reports.
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August 21, 2026, 05:26:59 PM
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we really want to be reading a sampling of 20-40 of their posts.

You tagged me as a chatbot spammer without considering my older posts, and then you gave merit to this off topic post in my thread:

Hope you are no more using AI to post?


And now you are here giving me lectures about how AI rules should be applied. Seriously?
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August 21, 2026, 07:44:20 PM
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AI rules seem to be applied very selectively.

They apply to everybody pasting the most obvious types of AI spam. You have to be a bit more clever to get by us.

A 2025 account with a few months of activity can run an older members posts through these Ai detector services and report them.
That is where this whole thing starts getting ridiculous.

Why is it ridiculous? They are providing a beneficial service to the forum, unlike 90% of active accounts. Besides, the "older members" are often bought accounts or part of an account farm. They are either too stupid or too lazy to write their own posts, so no harm, no foul.
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we really want to be reading a sampling of 20-40 of their posts.

You tagged me as a chatbot spammer without considering my older posts, and then you gave merit to this off topic post in my thread:

Hope you are no more using AI to post?


And now you are here giving me lectures about how AI rules should be applied. Seriously?

You quoted an excerpt from a longer paragraph that is about banning accounts for spamming. You can still be tagged and have your posts deleted if you’ve made less than 20 posts with AI. That is beside the point because you had a full page of post history that was AI generated which is a large enough sample size anyways.

PostQuantumBTC’s post was 99% about the topic you created and they gave you helpful advice, which is why I sent them merit.
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