Why Are We Even Considering a Ban on AI Tools Like ChatGPT?

[i luv chatgpt]

Alright, folks, we need to talk about this push to ban AI tools like ChatGPT on Bitcointalk. Honestly, it’s pretty concerning. Why are we even thinking about this?

For transparency's sake, I’ll admit it—I love ChatGPT and use it to write just about everything these days. It’s a tool that helps me express my thoughts more clearly and efficiently. I believe AI is incredibly useful. It can answer questions, provide insights, and spark some serious discussions. Instead of pushing it away, we should be embracing it. It’s a resource that can enhance our conversations and make this community even better.

Now, let’s address those AI/chatbot detectors that are making the rounds. They’re a huge problem. We’ve seen countless false accusations come from these tools, and it’s not just here; it’s happening in academic settings too. If you want a solid read on this, check out "The Case Against AI Detectors" from the University of Iowa. It lays out the issues with these detectors and their unreliability. Imagine putting in all that effort only to be told you’re using AI when you’re not. It’s not just frustrating; it’s downright ridiculous.

And let’s not forget some relevant history. Remember when the UK tried to ban cars? That was a massive mistake that stifled progress and innovation. People ended up stuck with horse-drawn carriages for way too long! Banning AI now could lead us down a similar path, where we miss out on the benefits and advancements that come with embracing new technology. Instead of shutting it down, we should be figuring out how to integrate it responsibly into our community.

Honestly, this whole discussion about banning AI feels pretty stupid when we could be focusing on real issues, like banning trolls who create chaos on the forum. All successful communities have good moderation and take action against those who want to disrupt things. Let’s put our energy into that instead.

So, I’m asking you all—should we really be banning AI, or can we find a way to make it work for us?

[Nwada001]

If you want to use AI for your personal gain, you are free to use it. If you said the use of AI should publicly be accepted and accepted by everyone allowed to use it, then there should not be any need for anyone to come here and be making contributions of any kind in posts; you can just be communicating with your ChatGPT; you don't need anyone's help or attention.

If you make any post or you have something from which you derive the answer from the AI tool ChatGPT or whichever one you use, I don't see any crime if you come out, quote the word, and ask your question and/or pass the information the way you want to pass it, but let everyone know that this is from ChatGPT instead of trying to fool everyone around.

[Alphakilo]

Large language models like ChatGPT, Glaude, Grok and other use the same training process(I have forgotten the right word to put here) when you use them, their answers are mostly similar. Using them in a forum that encourages human interaction, and likeliness will erase what forum should be.

Don't use AI tools they don't help the forum grow. It makes the member have false knowledge without learning or making any real contributions.

[xLays]

I’m pretty sure that ChatGPT is not the reason these users are banned; it is because of how they use it. What I mean is that they just copy and paste ChatGPT’s responses to their questions or any kind of response and then they post it without doing anything themselves in the post. There’s many users being tagged by using AI or ChatGPT for posting and not getting banned.

[KingsDen]

• Your opinion is not bad, you could actually use your real account to express it.
• If you are observant, you will notice that theymos has not expressly made any rule against AI usage in the forum.
• I personally will not be comfortable if I wake up to discover that I am discussing with computers here instead of humans.
• In 10 years time, if there's a forum that will be known for maintaining human conversation, I will like it to be this forum.
• To be more clear, the forum is not against using AI. But then, if you want to use AI, you can indicate in the post that it was generated by AI, by so we could tell the difference.
• This is a unique forum, put your brain to use and don't rely on AI, else you will lose what made you a human.

[JollyGood]

The problem you are not addressing is your motivation for creating the thread. You have not admitted the fact is that your only motivation for wanting to use AI in the forum is related to meeting signature campaign quotas. If you do not want to use to AI to meet quotas in lieu for payment, what other motivation would you have?

So, I’m asking you all—should we really be banning AI, or can we find a way to make it work for us?

[Stalker22]

I dont agree that AI tools are helpful for forums.  They allow people to make shitty and spam posts or spread false information pretty easily.  When you say the AI helps put your ideas into words, I kinda wonder if those are really your original thoughts or if they just come from an AI? and  Im a bit skeptical about that.   

Overall Im not convinced these AI tools are necessarily good for communities and discussions.  Maybe they can help you out with grammar or something but they also make it too easy to game the system and manipulate conversations rather than have honest debates. 

[Vod]

ChatGPT is soooo last month.   Deepseek is the key player in the market now, not because they have superior results (I don't care how much it cost to build or if they lied about it), but you can actually download the AI to your own system to modify it or build your own private dataset.   A key use for this will be the Bitcointalk Search Project, the goal being a more reliable GROK like system based on this forum, and not what people say about this forum, or it's members.

People are already running DS on a raspberry Pi - opening up AI training to the middle and lower class members of society.   All you need is the storage, which is cheaper every day, or even cloud storage if you have reliable internet access.    Use a cheap switch ($20) and you can link them together.   It will not be long before corporations such as banks start training data sets on your financial transactions, and it's legal under privacy regulations.  "Sorry sir, your loan has been declined because people with your spending habits in this market only have a 10% chance of repayment."

Unlike the OP, I do not use AI to write most of my words - I enjoy actually understanding what I am reading, and attempting to make other people understand my take on it.   Luckily, I never learned to type properly, so my "hunt and peck" method of typing works almost as fast with just one hand.  

Isn't any push to ban AI due to cheating on signature campaigns?

How would you feel if you're in a room discussing with people, but instead of those people having that discussion with you, they're using robots to answer your questions and discuss with you?

Just have the discussion with the robot directly, the people are irrelevant.

[Alpha Marine]

How would you feel if you're in a room discussing with people, but instead of those people having that discussion with you, they're using robots to answer your questions and discuss with you?
This is a discussion forum and everything you're saying should be things coming from you directly. If you don't have what to you can simply read the discussion and pass. The same way it is if you're in a room with people having a discussion.
Nobody stops you from using AI for research and getting answers to your questions, but that should be your own research, not use it in a discussion.

Also, posting AI-generated posts is regarded as plagiarism because you're passing someone or something else's work as your own, that alone is a crime and is against the forum rules.
If you want to better your writing, there are writing tools like Grammarly that can help you write properly. It gives you the right punctuations, correct spellings, and the right adverbs and adjectives to use, and to the best of my knowledge, that is not illegal on the forum because all the thoughts are yours and the writing is yours. 

[OgNasty]

• I personally will not be comfortable if I wake up to discover that I am discussing with computers here instead of humans.
• In 10 years time, if there's a forum that will be known for maintaining human conversation, I will like it to be this forum.

More disturbing to me is waking up to discover the forum flooded with conversations between different AI models interacting with each other, drowning out the possibility for humans to meaningfully communicate here at all.  You are right to want to be on a forum that is known for maintaining human conversation.  I think that is probably futile though.  Scary to think about, but until someone invents some sort of proof of life key that AI can't use, we are all destined to be flooded out of cyberspace by artificial intelligence.

[Churchillvv]

Okay you want to use AI to write or make contributions in topics or discussions you know absolutely nothing about right? Fooling yourself that you have knowledge when you absolutely don't!

Perhaps you should also know that using Chatgpt in the right manner is not prohibited in the forum. Using Grammarly, Quilbots etc to make good post is highly recommended yet you do not acknowledge this part.

You're probably interested in some kind of posting with AI that profits you.
Suggest AI shouldn't be ban or prohibited in the forum will only result to people lacking real knowledge but basically depending of the results of AIs to make speech which ends up being very incorrect or uninteresting.


What you think about this image?

In due time people will begin to focus on irrelevant things that doesn't contribute any knowledge to them living the works for AI and you OP is one of those that encourage it.

[Ziskinberg]

I don’t know where you got the idea that the forum bans AI, because I haven’t read anything in the rules that strictly prohibits using AI.

AI is already here, and we can’t stop progress. But I do understand why some reputable members of the forum try to detect AI-generated posts as it’s not fair if people are just letting a bot do all the talking. However, if AI is used only for correcting spelling, grammar, or research, I think that’s totally acceptable.

[suchmoon]

• I personally will not be comfortable if I wake up to discover that I am discussing with computers here instead of humans.

You seem to be very comfortable here, literally replying to a shitpost generated by a computer.

How would you feel if you're in a room discussing with people, but instead of those people having that discussion with you, they're using robots to answer your questions and discuss with you?

And how do you feel doing just that here?

I mean - did you two - or most of the users in this thread for that matter - even read the OP or you're just replying to the title?

And if you did read, why don't you just go to Chat GPT if you want to talk to Chat GPT?

Rhetorical question, I know that Chat GPT wouldn't pay you for signatures so you'll wallow in that shit here instead.

[nutildah]

The march toward a 100% transition to the hivemind continues.

Over the winter break, I had the opportunity to hear about the "conspiracy" of the Dead Internet Theory for the first time. It is making more and more sense with each passing day.

The dead Internet theory is an online conspiracy theory that asserts, due to a coordinated and intentional effort, the Internet since 2016 or 2017 has consisted mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content manipulated by algorithmic curation to control the population and minimize organic human activity. Proponents of the theory believe these social bots were created intentionally to help manipulate algorithms and boost search results in order to manipulate consumers. Some proponents of the theory accuse government agencies of using bots to manipulate public perception.

Basically the theory claims that vast swaths of the internet are now just AI bots talking to and learning from each other. Do we really want Bitcointalk to become a part of this? The upside is... well there is no upside. Nobody's learning or experiencing anything, and why would a signature campaign hire you instead of a bot if all you're going to do is mimic a bot? The downside is the thorough annihilation of any semblance of a soul from the forum.

OP is likely the alt of a user that got caught using AI to generate shitposts for them, and I suspect they'll get bored and disappear within a week or two (similar to that ditec_wrogn guy).

[DireWolfM14]

I was investigating this twat's post history, and when I saw this thread I was really hopeful that it had no responses.

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[Don Pedro Dinero]

You seem to be very comfortable here, literally replying to a shitpost generated by a computer.

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And how do you feel doing just that here?

As people on this forum are not known for their comprehension skills I will allow myself to bring your quote from the other thread:

Alright, folks, we need to talk about this push to ban AI tools like ChatGPT on Bitcointalk. Honestly, it’s pretty concerning. Why are we even thinking about this?
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gptzero 100%
sapling 100%

Although don't be surprised if more people come here commenting as if the OP was written by a human.

[BenCodie]

Your post was obviously enhanced with AI, though it was nicely done, so kudos to you for using AI in a way that it should be used.

When AI was first introduced, it was also introducing a shit load of spam. I think nowadays (due to massive improvement of LLMs), it's easy to differentiate GPT 3.5 from 4o, and easy to distinguish shit AI content from good AI content. I agree that an adjustment on rules could be made, and if so, reverting to how it is for normal posts is the way to go (if the post is garbage, people report it, the user gets a warning or a ban). People will eventually get the message that if they use AI, it better darn well be good and relevant or they'd risk being banned if it's not. I also believe a "demerit" system or something of the like could help the relaxing of "absolutely no AI" rules as well. It's a shame that has not been actually considered or thought out further by the community/staff.

While opinion is unpopular based on the other posts, I think it's a reasonable one.

The march toward a 100% transition to the hivemind continues.

Over the winter break, I had the opportunity to hear about the "conspiracy" of the Dead Internet Theory for the first time. It is making more and more sense with each passing day.

The dead Internet theory is an online conspiracy theory that asserts, due to a coordinated and intentional effort, the Internet since 2016 or 2017 has consisted mainly of bot activity and automatically generated content manipulated by algorithmic curation to control the population and minimize organic human activity. Proponents of the theory believe these social bots were created intentionally to help manipulate algorithms and boost search results in order to manipulate consumers. Some proponents of the theory accuse government agencies of using bots to manipulate public perception.

Basically the theory claims that vast swaths of the internet are now just AI bots talking to and learning from each other. Do we really want Bitcointalk to become a part of this? The upside is... well there is no upside. Nobody's learning or experiencing anything, and why would a signature campaign hire you instead of a bot if all you're going to do is mimic a bot? The downside is the thorough annihilation of any semblance of a soul from the forum.

OP is likely the alt of a user that got caught using AI to generate shitposts for them, and I suspect they'll get bored and disappear within a week or two (similar to that ditec_wrogn guy).

This is a temporary phenomena. For as long as there are humans on the internet, the internet will never die. That's the flaw in the whole theory. It's up to us to shape it in a way where AI doesn't take the voice of the human, that's the only challenge (and it doesn't seem like AI has even 50% taken the voice of the human here, or anywhere else for that matter IMO).

I was investigating this twat's post history, and when I saw this thread I was really hopeful that it had no responses.

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You're always so savage. I love it  

[Lida93]

So, I’m asking you all—should we really be banning AI, or can we find a way to make it work for us?

Or we should perhaps turn the forum to an AI forum cause that sounds like something that would make you happy. Right?

Now what would be the need for this forum and all the interactions that are organically made here if we all be using AI to interact, we'll all be making fool of ourselves even if we won't want to agree that that's what we're doing. For instance: We may  now have mediocres as experts in the forum.

I think there's a succinct difference when in the way the interactions flows when the contents are not AI generated.  Moreover, no one is against you using AI tool for your personal guide outside this community, but just don't bring it into discussions in the forum because it's a brain-cheat that would with time if allowed, will kill and devalue critical thinking among forum members.

[nutildah]

I agree that an adjustment on rules could be made, and if so, reverting to how it is for normal posts is the way to go (if the post is garbage, people report it, the user gets a warning or a ban). People will eventually get the message that if they use AI, it better darn well be good and relevant or they'd risk being banned if it's not.

This is more or less how it is now. There are some newbie accounts that have been banned because all they did was post trivial AI garbage, and all their posts were deleted as spam. If someone makes it clear that they are using AI, then I think its fine, although the way OP and ditec_wrogn did it is highly cringe.

For as long as there are humans on the internet, the internet will never die. That's the flaw in the whole theory.

The Dead Internet Theory doesn't really have anything to do with the internet "dying"; its just saying that most of the internet isn't used by humans, but bots. It may not be true now, but as time marches on it becomes more and more of a likely scenario. From the Wikipedia article:

In 2024, Google reported that its search results were being inundated with websites that "feel like they were created for search engines instead of people". In correspondence with Gizmodo, a Google spokesperson acknowledged the role of generative AI in the rapid proliferation of such content and that it could displace more valuable human-made alternatives. Bots using LLMs are anticipated to increase the amount of spam, and run the risk of creating a situation where bots interacting with each other create "self-replicating prompts" that result in loops only human users could disrupt.

[lovesmayfamilis]

Do you know, OP, the myth about how much of its capabilities the human brain uses? At the same time, we can train our brains ourselves. How can we do this? The answer is obvious, to think. But in your topic, you already admit that you are unable to express your thoughts so that you are understandable to people. Why? It's simple: you are lazy; you do not develop, do not think, but rush to take information from a robot and present it as your own.
The forum is a communication between people. Not machines, not robots, and other inanimate things.
If you stop thinking for yourself, one day someone else will turn you into a non-thinking crowd and will control you like a robot.

Although all answers, including mine, in this topic answer to the text generated by a robot.