What do you think about this campaign?

[Don Pedro Dinero]

From a colleague's post on the local forum the JokerBet.biz campaign has come to my attention, I will translate what I said there:

I think that, in general, it looks bad. The manager is an unknown newbie, the avatar is badly designed, he doesn't say how many members he will accept, he doesn't say the maximum number of posts he will pay for, he doesn't say if he pays for local posts, and, if so, how many, there is no proof that he has the funds to pay. Anyway, I don't know if I'm missing something, but this looks disastrous, if you look at the only people who are applying, there's not much chance of them being taken on another campaign.

From what I have said I think there is a certain risk of it ending badly, and that is why I wanted to share it here, but I cannot say that it is a high risk, at least for the time being. I would like to know your opinion on this.

[Jawhead999]

They did say 15 posts is the maximum.

a maximum of 15 eligible posts will be paid.

Well, we don't know what will happen, maybe it could be like bestchange?

I think it doesn't look that bad since they've prepared the signature and avatar, I agree there's a risk for participating in a campaign managed by unknown newbie, but it just risking for a week right? I guess users who applied in that thread don't mind for that, especially there are many posters aren't campaign right now.

[Odohu]

The manager may be new but that does not mean he cannot manage the campaign, so we should not judge based on that. Secondly,  the signature thread specified maximum of 15 posts to be paid $1.5/per post.

However,  you are right that a lot of things are not clear about the signature campaign especially on the hire and fire weekly base on the discretion of the manager. I think they should find a reputable manager to handle the campaign for them. If there is risk, it will be working for one week without pay so only those not in campaign should take such risk.

[Cantsay]

From what I have said I think there is a certain risk of it ending badly, and that is why I wanted to share it here, but I cannot say that it is a high risk, at least for the time being. I would like to know your opinion on this.

I think we have to wait for at least a week or two before we can actually judge if it’s going to work or not; for now we can’t say anything because we don’t know who’s working behind scenes or if they actually have any experience about how this signature works so let’s just watch and see. Those applying already know the risks of campaigns that are not escrowed and being managed by unknown newbies accounts.

Let’s just give them the benefit of doubt and hope they actually fulfill their promise and pay those that are going to be selected and also don’t enforce ridiculous rules like where users shouldn’t make posts. That’s all that matters at this point.

[Fiatless]

From what I have said I think there is a certain risk of it ending badly, and that is why I wanted to share it here, but I cannot say that it is a high risk, at least for the time being. I would like to know your opinion on this.

Your observations are valid because the last time a newbie handled a campaign in the forum, it was a total mess. He made so many errors that, I think he became confused. The campaign was later handed over to an experienced campaign manager who ran it for a long time till it finally ended.

From the campaign announcement, it is clear that the manager is inexperienced and will have to learn on the job which might lead to mistakes. The company would have simply hired a campaign manager that will teach this newbie the rudiments of the management sector. Maybe after a few weeks, the campaign manager would hand over to MoonReaver to continue with the management.

You will never know until you try, maybe MoonReaver might end up surprising everyone through his sound Management skills.

I wish them the best.

[rachael9385]

Since the OP haven't done any illegal things, the forum should give him/her a chance to manage a signature campaign, besides I haven't seen any rules that states a newbie is not allowed to run a signature campaign.
He's a newbie but might make a mistake while managing his campaigns because he haven't stayed on the forum for long and he might not know a proper way for signature campaign management. But I hope he's mistakes shouldn't be like crytomus campaign that was run by a newbie last year.

[acroman08]

as other have already said, they did specify how many post will be paid. over all I think the only concern here are the funds(at least for me) but they can ease poeple's concerns if they use an escrow to hold the funds(which I think has been done before by other signature campaign if I remember correctly)

[dkbit98]

I think this casino probably wanted to save money for this campaign and they just used one account for ANN topic creation and to act as a campaign manager.
I personally wouldn't waste time on this campaign because of their terms and higher risk, but every merchandise usually finds it's buyer.

[Perfectbaby]

From what I have said I think there is a certain risk of it ending badly, and that is why I wanted to share it here, but I cannot say that it is a high risk, at least for the time being. I would like to know your opinion on this.

I am sensing danger because he doesn't show escrow wallet or how much is in their custody to run the campaign, I could remember a campaign that ended so bad without paying their applicants. From my observation this campaign could likely take that move, and my concern is that why they don't hire a reputable campaign manager to handle the campaign for them at least escrowing specific funds to the manager could also bring enough results to them but this only people that are wanting to warm their account are likely to apply for this campaign because they have stayed for long periods without getting into any campaign. Anyway, we can't entirely judge because something good may likely comes out from it but let just have our fingers crossed while we watch how they do their selections and passes week 1 to week 3 then we know how serious they are.

[examplens]

From what I have said I think there is a certain risk of it ending badly, and that is why I wanted to share it here, but I cannot say that it is a high risk, at least for the time being. I would like to know your opinion on this.

Not all casinos have a large campaign budget. For now, there is no basis for any accusations, I think it is even better if they start with a budget that is in their domain than to promise big payouts, and later just go offline.
We had some similar cheap campaigns before, like Bitvest, it lasted for years, but in the end, it ended ingloriously even though the owner ^lightlord is a Legendary member.

[ryzaadit]

Not gonna to know, before the things you are worried is happened.

But still, the decision for every campaign is always the user's decision. If we don't want a bad ending, we can always joined the campaign with some manager doing the fund being escrow.


Perhaps, he wants to save cost spending by not hiring any manager. We can advice him, to use "escrow" only without any manager check at all and let him do the rest. That's will save him some cost money cause manager costs/weeks could be in range 100-300$/weeks (my prediction).


I also sure, those newbie could be already ask some manager for the rates campaign and could be not suitable with the budget.

[FinneysTrueVision]

It does look amateurish. They don’t say when the campaign will start, but they want people to wear the signature before applying. They could drag out the application process for weeks just so they can get free publicity and then disappear. Anybody that is skeptical should hold off for a while and let them prove they are a legitimate campaign before applying. I have a feeling this will be like the Eloncoin campaign where it will attract many spammers.

[KingsDen]

It does look amateurish. They don’t say when the campaign will start, but they want people to wear the signature before applying. They could drag out the application process for weeks just so they can get free publicity and then disappear. Anybody that is skeptical should hold off for a while and let them prove they are a legitimate campaign before applying. I have a feeling this will be like the Eloncoin campaign where it will attract many spammers.

How will they prove they are legitimate if no one tries them. It is only when they are giving opportunity that we will know if they are legitimate or not.
I am not defending them or supporting them, I am just being cautious because same thing happened to BestChange years ago but they ended up proving everyone wrong.
They should continue their campaign, if anyone feels comfortable to apply, it's fine and they'll accept the outcome.

[adultcrypto]

as other have already said, they did specify how many post will be paid. over all I think the only concern here are the funds(at least for me) but they can ease poeple's concerns if they use an escrow to hold the funds(which I think has been done before by other signature campaign if I remember correctly)

I really do not see any source of concern here because if there will be a problem, the first week of running the campaign will clarify that. With or without the payment for the first week, the users who apply can make the specified number of posts in the forum to keep their accounts active so it will not be a big loss for them. Considering the way the signature campaign was created and the fact that the manager is a newbie that is not known here, everyone applying already know the risk involved and will be willing to bear the loss should it happen that they don't get paid. Although I believe the first week payment will be made, what I don't know is the longevity of the campaign.

[Wiwo]

Anyone participating in such a campaign should be prepared for whatever happens along the line, this is not the first time we have seen a newbie coming up with a signature campaign, most time such campaigns end up as free promotions since the participants will eventually end up not getting paid and the manager pulling an exit scam of their participants.

We may not know what the outcome of this particular campaign will be but sincerely speaking the risk is very high and I advise that forum members should avoid this offer due to its high risk of not getting paid.

[Sanitough]

The only risk I see here is that the OP might not pay. That's why it's really a good idea to put the funds in escrow if the manager is new or hasn't built a reputation in the forum yet. But since there's no rule stopping anyone from running a campaign, those who apply probably know the risk of not getting paid, it's just for one week anyway. And to @Don Pedro Dinero, thanks for the concern. I hope applicants see this too, so it can help them decide whether to continue or cancel their application.

[JollyGood]

If they are working on a smaller budget and using their funds wisely, for now at least that demonstrates good business practice on their part. There is no need to suspect JokerBet of any wrongdoing but (as with any campaign and/or business) that could change in future. For now I would give them the benefit of the doubt and if they were using an escrow that would strengthen their case.

Not all casinos have a large campaign budget. For now, there is no basis for any accusations, I think it is even better if they start with a budget that is in their domain than to promise big payouts, and later just go offline.
We had some similar cheap campaigns before, like Bitvest, it lasted for years, but in the end, it ended ingloriously even though the owner ^lightlord is a Legendary member.

[yahoo62278]

Running your own campaign is allowed, but at a minimum they should have looked at using an escrow for the funds. Escrow fees are pretty small in most cases.

The issue that they will find with their campaign is the accounts joining are going to likely be alts because noone will try to join with their main account for $22.50 a week.

[hugeblack]

It is better to allow signature campaign manager for all ranks so that even newbies can run a signature campaign but it is necessary for everyone who intends to join to have a week of escrow payment.

 - If you want to join such a campaign without escrow you should know that you may not receive payments.
 - It is possible to add a neutral trust and it may be negative if they do not pay.
 - The campaign can be reported here if they start spamming.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

They did say 15 posts is the maximum.

Txs, fixed.

Apart from this error which does not invalidate the concerns that I had there are many other points that raise concerns and I see that they are shared with you. I guess we can use this thread as a follow up on what may happen in the campaign. If everything goes well I guess there will be few comments and if so I will lock the thread, but if we see that they start to spam or do not pay, or that there are delays in payments, etc., we can comment here. As I said in the OP and I share with you at the moment we can do nothing but wait and watch.