Signature campaigns question. How fair is this?

[acroman08]

I have not seen a manager ask users to wear a signature while applying, it is usually the applicants that wear it thinking it will increase their chances of getting accepted.

They do actually, i have seen two or more campaign managers request that applicants must wear the signatures and avatar before applying but it doesn't mean anything since users can still remove the advertising codes and avatar when they are not accepted.

I haven't seen such a rule in at least seven years. Can you share which campaigns are in question here?
Of course, I hope you don't count some trash bounty campaigns run by some wannabe managers.

looking around it seems like apart(though I might have missed someone) from Jokerbet.biz, Hhampuz is one of the camapaign managers that require his applicants to wear signature and avatar when applying. though I am not sure if he is strictly enforcing it, I have not been in one his campaigns in a while. anyway, I don't really see any issue with it.

here's the most recent campaigns he has where he requires his applicants to wear signature and avatar

How to Apply:

1. Wear the Signature and Avatar.
2. Copy and fill out the below form and post it as a reply in this thread:

Code:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: 
Current Amount of Posts: 
Merit EARNED in the last 120 days: 
bech32 BTC Address for Payouts: 

How to Apply:

1. Wear the Signature and Avatar when applying.
2. Copy and fill out the below form and post it as a reply in this thread:

Code:

Bitcointalk Profile Link: 
Current amount of Posts: 
EARNED merit in the last 120 days: 
bech32 BTC Address: 

[Helena Yu]

Technically it's not fair, it's the same thing for campaign managers who require to use username or ID from the account they sign on the site they promoted. Also asking to write a review on ANN thread.

The first one is, they "working for free" to get organic traffic and the second one is, they "working for free" get review.

looking around it seems like apart(though I might have missed someone) from Jokerbet.biz, Hhampuz is one of the camapaign managers that require his applicants to wear signature and avatar when applying. though I am not sure if he is strictly enforcing it, I have not been in one his campaigns in a while. anyway, I don't really see any issue with it.

here's the most recent campaigns he has where he requires his applicants to wear signature and avatar

Yeah maybe @OP of that thread was inspired by Hhampuz, hence they use that rule too.

I have participated in few campaigns managed by Hhampuz and he still accept me even I didn't wear both signature and avatar when/before applying, although I can't answer whether it's increase the chance or not to get accepted.

I really don’t see this as a Meta issue.

True, this thread should be moved to Service Discussion board.

[Woodie]

The fact that I have seen several members wearing a different Signature applying for a campaign countless times and get accepted tells me this whole free advertisement doesn't exist!!

But possibly if you are enrolled in a different campaign and forfeit  your other weeks works..technically that could be free advertisement,  and counter measure is wait for week to finish then get on to the other campaign 


And from experience,  I have worked with over 10+ managers on the forum , all with different standards and I can say for certain that wearing a Sig isn't a prerequisite,  besides wearing a sig is one part, then posting on the forum is a duty on the user..so you can choose to wait for your application to be accepted then post to avoid this so called free advertisement, otherwise wearing a sig during the application process gives you a 25% chance of getting accepted !!

[Strongkored]

I was wondering what you think of this: When you see someone making a signature campaign thread, usually the manager or the person in charge, they require that you meet a certain criteria and so on, which is reasonable. However, isn't it not fair that they ask people to wear a signature campaign while they are thinking about thinking about getting the person accepted? They are basically asking for free advertisement.

You're talking about this signature campaign, right? 🎭JokerBet.biz Signature Ad Campaign [ Accepting Applications ]
If you are not comfortable with the rules for applying then ignore it, because each campaign manager has their own way of marketing.
And in my opinion, the rule is stated to see the seriousness of the applicant, because usually there are members who like to move from one campaign to another and usually to get a higher payment, so by using the signature code it shows that they are serious.
However, for that signature campaign it seems that it will only get applicants who are free because the value is not high.

[Plaguedeath]

If you are not comfortable with the rules for applying then ignore it, because each campaign manager has their own way of marketing.
And in my opinion, the rule is stated to see the seriousness of the applicant, because usually there are members who like to move from one campaign to another and usually to get a higher payment, so by using the signature code it shows that they are serious.
However, for that signature campaign it seems that it will only get applicants who are free because the value is not high.

If all users are like this, it's not surprising we would see these kind requirement in the future.

1. User must wear avatar and signature, if you're currently in a campaign, you need to gamble to leave the present in order to join the new one.
2. Submit your CV, tell what you're good at, write good post on ANN thread and praise the manager.
3. Like, comment, and share every post in social medias.
4. User must not jump into another campaign less than 3 months, otherwise you will blacklisted for the next 3 campaigns.
5. Accepted user agree the first 100 posts will not be paid in order to know the naturally of your post.

These all ridiculous rules just for a sake of "seriousness", please distinguish between "seriousness" and "slavery".

[Strongkored]

These all ridiculous rules just for a sake of "seriousness", please distinguish between "seriousness" and "slavery".

Don't understand why you attack the word seriousness without reading the whole text. As I said at the beginning if you are not comfortable with the rules then ignore it, I mean can you change what is the company's rule to suit your wishes?, so applicants must read the rules if you don't like it then don't apply not tell the manager to change the rules, hopefully your intelligence understands that or you are an applicant who successfully makes the manager change the rules according to your wishes.

[examplens]

looking around it seems like apart(though I might have missed someone) from Jokerbet.biz, Hhampuz is one of the camapaign managers that require his applicants to wear signature and avatar when applying. though I am not sure if he is strictly enforcing it, I have not been in one his campaigns in a while. anyway, I don't really see any issue with it.

here's the most recent campaigns he has where he requires his applicants to wear signature and avatar

ok, I haven't been in his campaigns so far. However, I believe that he does not prioritize this condition, especially if someone applies and is already in another campaign.
I wouldn't be surprised if he just uploaded the same template with campaign conditions, so he didn't change this outdated rule.

Also, no one should be afraid to present such things publicly through constructive criticism, I am sure that a manager like Hhampuz will not put his own ego before reasonable suggestions.

[acroman08]

looking around it seems like apart(though I might have missed someone) from Jokerbet.biz, Hhampuz is one of the camapaign managers that require his applicants to wear signature and avatar when applying. though I am not sure if he is strictly enforcing it, I have not been in one his campaigns in a while. anyway, I don't really see any issue with it.

here's the most recent campaigns he has where he requires his applicants to wear signature and avatar

ok, I haven't been in his campaigns so far. However, I believe that he does not prioritize this condition, especially if someone applies and is already in another campaign.
I wouldn't be surprised if he just uploaded the same template with campaign conditions, so he didn't change this outdated rule.

Helena Yu mentioned that she had joined a few of his campaigns in the past and remembers that she applied and got accepted without wearing the signature and the avatar first, so that tells us that Hhampuzz doesn't strictly enforce the rule. That being said, Helena Yu also mentioned that she doesn't know if wearing the signature and avatar before applying increases the chance of being picked.

Also, no one should be afraid to present such things publicly through constructive criticism, I am sure that a manager like Hhampuz will not put his own ego before reasonable suggestions.

yeah, and I agree with that.

[LoyceV]

Why is this in Meta? Move it to Service Discussion.

Signature campaigns are a free market. It has nothing to do with "being fair". If you don't like the terms, ignore them.

[cygan]

@takuma sato it's quite simple...
ignore these types of campaigns/applications and only apply for the campaigns that you think are 'fair' and avoid in this case of 'working for free'

[un_rank]

ok, I haven't been in his campaigns so far. However, I believe that he does not prioritize this condition, especially if someone applies and is already in another campaign.

I also do not think he enforces the rule in his campaigns when picking participants. He is one manager who does not like to give free advertisement to projects so it is expected he will not enforce such a rule.

Yes, it will help to not include it in the rules if it is not enforced.

- Jay -

[UserU]

Well, I don't think there's anything wrong in applying a signature code on your profile when you aren't in a campaign already. Yes, that's some type of free advertisement but it's something good from participants side who apply to get accepted in those campaigns as it doesn't harm them in any way or doesn't cost them a dime.

It's a type of good will I believe and managers do admire such participants because they understand that such participants are active members of the forum and can be helpful to promote a service via their signature space. I also believe that something like this shouldn't be mandatory but there's no harm if someone applies a signature before getting accepted in the campaign.

From my perspective, not wrong, but not really savory either.

Just like a job application, no one in the right mind would simply list the new employer on their profile before applying for one of their jobs, while currently being employed.

Since many applicants are in some campaign, that would not look good if the current sig manager finds out.

In the end, willing buyer, willing seller. But I'd not want to apply for such.