we88 stole my profit 5400 myr ( ≈1200usd )

[memehunter]

Friend. The people on the forum work for the casinos, they will make it seem like you are the one who did things wrong, they are all in cahoots to scam you, try to scam you,

It's true. These paid geeks always act like that. scum

I wonder then why are you guys here?
Who, among the reputed forum members, told you to deposit and play at a particular casino? You made your choice and now you are blaming us? Just look at the record of how many honest users got their winning just because of this wonderful forum.
The way you are throwing mud at us shows that you have practiced it a lot. Talk in terms of facts, because nothing else will help you here.

[Bitcoin_Arena]

The user called "holydarkness" always claims to have a contact who works for the casino where you have the problem, but this is totally false. Be very careful with "holydarkness" he is one of the biggest scammers on the forum.

holydarkness is just a volunteer who helps some members with genuine concerns resolved their issues with a few casinos he has contact with. You don't pay him, and he doesn't owe you anything.

Quit the bitching around. If you can't get help here. Try else where. If your accusation is not genuine, and you are looking to extort a casino, then f**k off. He is not going to be part of your extortion team.

[WE88 Official]

Hello denisbaran,

My apologies for the wait, as sports-related issues need to be confirmed with the sportsbook provider.

We've been informed that the reason for the ban was due to abnormal behavior, which was flagged as high-risk by the provider.

The decision is final on this matter, so I'm unable to assist you further.

Best regards,
WE88 Official

[memehunter]

Hello denisbaran,

My apologies for the wait, as sports-related issues need to be confirmed with the sportsbook provider.

We've been informed that the reason for the ban was due to abnormal behavior, which was flagged as high-risk by the provider.

The decision is final on this matter, so I'm unable to assist you further.

Best regards,
WE88 Official

So you can just make a vague statement and confiscate anyone's winnings? You have to be a little bit more specific regarding your statement. This is unprofessional at least and scamming at best and I am sure you care about your brand's reputation here.

[DGUDGUDGU]

Hello denisbaran,

My apologies for the wait, as sports-related issues need to be confirmed with the sportsbook provider.

We've been informed that the reason for the ban was due to abnormal behavior, which was flagged as high-risk by the provider.

The decision is final on this matter, so I'm unable to assist you further.

Best regards,
WE88 Official

So you can just make a vague statement and confiscate anyone's winnings? You have to be a little bit more specific regarding your statement. This is unprofessional at least and scamming at best and I am sure you care about your brand's reputation here.

Did the exact same thing to me but claimed I was bot betting, when I was literally just placing bets on NBA for the most part (low volume)

No one should be playing at this site.

[holydarkness]

Hello denisbaran,

My apologies for the wait, as sports-related issues need to be confirmed with the sportsbook provider.

We've been informed that the reason for the ban was due to abnormal behavior, which was flagged as high-risk by the provider.

The decision is final on this matter, so I'm unable to assist you further.

Best regards,
WE88 Official

Hi, I know we are yet to be acquainted and you barely know me at all. But... is it possible to eliminate at least one doubt from the overseers head here by showing the instruction from your provider to ban both this user and DGUDGUDGU? If you can't show it publicly but willing to show it privately to a limited eyes, I will take the honor, suppose other overseers agree to it.

Alternatively, OP, olixirisug69, and DGUDGUDGU, perhaps the best course right now is to escalate to CG, where WE88 can provide evidence that their provider indeed find signs of foul play from both of you that entitle them to confiscate your funds? Because other than the proposal on above paragraph, which [tbh] I think wouldn't do much, we're at a moot point here.

[ryzaadit]

perhaps the best course right now is to escalate to CG

Casino Guru not taking any sportsbet issues, IDK he can tried with AskGambler.

Since we all know the sportbets case is always complicated. Casino will never reveal any method has been used by the provider or the provider way to caught player who play against their term. You can check every sportbets issue case on every casino in BTT, it's not the first time for these questions.

A lot members already asking these, on every sports issue in different casinos. The conclusion, to avoiding player who abused or taking advantage on the system to created a loophole. You can tried ask the same things on other casino who have issue recently from sportbets, can they reveal the method to you or not. I doubt they will never reveal it to you.

[memehunter]

is it possible to eliminate at least one doubt from the overseers head here by showing the instruction from your provider to ban both this user and DGUDGUDGU? If you can't show it publicly but willing to show it privately to a limited eyes, I will take the honor, suppose other overseers agree to it.

I second this. This is a really good suggestion that will not only boost the credibility of the casino in question's claim but also remove a big part of the doubt. You (the casino in question) have to do this otherwise, there will be more reasons that you cant be trusted.   

[ryzaadit]

I second this. This is a really good suggestion that will not only boost the credibility of the casino in question's claim but also remove a big part of the doubt. You (the casino in question) have to do this otherwise, there will be more reasons that you cant be trusted.   

BK8 doing these for someone faked the KYC and sent to holydarkness

IMO, casino could share information like the list of multi-accounts, faked documents, IP access to some trusted member like DT. But, for how the provider caught some arbitrage stuff or these... I really doubt they will share how they caught the user. The reason: can be used for a loophole to avoid detection by the user.

This could be reason, why CG (Casino Guru) doesn't want to handle any Sportbet case. It's just to complicated, perhaps you can also try to search up any sportbet case regarding robots, or arbitrage. Did the casino share how they detect those... In my experience reading sportbet case, not a single casino want to share it.

[holydarkness]

I second this. This is a really good suggestion that will not only boost the credibility of the casino in question's claim but also remove a big part of the doubt. You (the casino in question) have to do this otherwise, there will be more reasons that you cant be trusted.   

BK8 doing these for someone faked the KYC and sent to holydarkness

IMO, casino could share information like the list of multi-accounts, faked documents, IP access to some trusted member like DT. But, for how the provider caught some arbitrage stuff or these... I really doubt they will share how they caught the user. The reason: can be used for a loophole to avoid detection by the user.

This could be reason, why CG (Casino Guru) doesn't want to handle any Sportbet case. It's just to complicated, perhaps you can also try to search up any sportbet case regarding robots, or arbitrage. Did the casino share how they detect those... In my experience reading sportbet case, not a single casino want to share it.

That is why it is not what I suggested to be shared with me. If you read carefully, what I suggested to be shared, either publicly or through private eyes, were the instruction from their provider to initiate the action against OP, to prove that it is indeed the provider's request instead of WE88 abusing their ToS and ban players as they wished.

[ryzaadit]

what I suggested to be shared, either publicly or through private eyes, were the instruction from their provider to initiate the action against OP, to prove that it is indeed the provider's request instead of WE88 abusing their ToS and ban players as they wished.

Still in the end, the user will try to ask how you can catch it and @OP or the user can claim denied that allegation + demand how they can detect the user being used for robots or arbitrage. This is why, sportsbet case is always a never-ending case (unless the case is about multi-account, abused promotion or avoiding limits by creating bunch of account).

- On the other hand, a casino can follow your request (while the provider are the one who notify/alert the casino).
- But in other side, the user or OP can denied those allegation no matter is from casino or provider + demands how they can caught him or detect his account to be marked as arbitrage or using robots stuff.

Plus, If you agree with the casino the @OP or user can just tell you. You're taking side with the casino.

[holydarkness]

what I suggested to be shared, either publicly or through private eyes, were the instruction from their provider to initiate the action against OP, to prove that it is indeed the provider's request instead of WE88 abusing their ToS and ban players as they wished.

Still in the end, the user will try to ask how you can catch it and @OP or the user can claim denied that allegation + demand how they can detect the user being used for robots or arbitrage. This is why, sportsbet case is always a never-ending case (unless the case is about multi-account, abused promotion or avoiding limits by creating bunch of account).

- On the other hand, a casino can follow your request (while the provider are the one who notify/alert the casino).
- But in other side, the user or OP can denied those allegation no matter is from casino or provider + demands how they can caught him or detect his account to be marked as arbitrage or using robots stuff.

Plus, If you agree with the casino the @OP or user can just tell you. You're taking side with the casino.

Of course, putting aside the fact that the casino are fully free to refuse to provide what's asked [as other casinos are also not asked to supplement us with supporting evidence for similar situation], correct me if I am wrongly understand the situation which initially lead me to my proposal: what we try to prove or disprove here is one of the question by an overseer that the casino's statement that led them to confiscate OP's fund is baseless, that they pulling excuse and that the flag and the request to ban was not or never issued by their provider. And that's the extent of it. Not about how to prove the detection, nor an inquiry made by the OP.

[DGUDGUDGU]

I second this. This is a really good suggestion that will not only boost the credibility of the casino in question's claim but also remove a big part of the doubt. You (the casino in question) have to do this otherwise, there will be more reasons that you cant be trusted.   

BK8 doing these for someone faked the KYC and sent to holydarkness

IMO, casino could share information like the list of multi-accounts, faked documents, IP access to some trusted member like DT. But, for how the provider caught some arbitrage stuff or these... I really doubt they will share how they caught the user. The reason: can be used for a loophole to avoid detection by the user.

This could be reason, why CG (Casino Guru) doesn't want to handle any Sportbet case. It's just to complicated, perhaps you can also try to search up any sportbet case regarding robots, or arbitrage. Did the casino share how they detect those... In my experience reading sportbet case, not a single casino want to share it.

More excuses, more you siding with bookies stealing money because you don't understand how betting works and you're just yapping.

Genuinely the way your brain works is insane.

[LEVSKI7]

Some are illiterate but most of them are paid. on every topic they start to blame the cheated game4 and defend the sites.
the bad thing is this scum tricks players into signing up and after they are cheated insults and accuses them unfairly

[Bitcoin_Arena]

More excuses, more you siding with bookies stealing money because you don't understand how betting works and you're just yapping.

Genuinely the way your brain works is insane.

There's no need to be bitter at random people. I have read his statement and I don't see him siding with the casino you are accusation.
Casinoguru usually suggests other mediators complaints could use when it comes to betting related disputes, but I just can't find the list. They could be worth trying.

It's very hard to solve such matters here unless if one of the members has access to evidence from both parties. So what is the point of blaming some members here who are trying to help?

[ryzaadit]

what we try to prove or disprove here is one of the question by an overseer that the casino's statement that led them to confiscate OP's fund is baseless, that they pulling excuse and that the flag and the request to ban was not or never issued by their provider. And that's the extent of it. Not about how to prove the detection, nor an inquiry made by the OP.

Well it's up to them then + reading the casino response the fund initial is refunded. So, don't know too if the refund is already being refunded or not... If they already refund the initial deposit (could be they just mark these case as finish) and go on. Like it or not

More excuses, more you siding with bookies stealing money because you don't understand how betting works and you're just yapping.

If you feels that's way..... scam assumption having 400 page. You can search up on every casino cased is being open in here about sportbets especially about "arbitrage or robots stuff allegation are being opened in here:
1. Did casino explained to the user who got those allegation by showing what's holydarkness requested (with proofs).
2. Did casino explained to the user how they can detect you or sharing the detection system

You can show me the link thread, If there has some casino who doing these. Then let's agree, I'm just yapping.... sportbets case is always complicated
- Casino put statement by provider or their term & condition
- Process refund initial deposit or not at all
- Then that's it

You're not the first time, asking on every casino to show how a provider can detect. We already asking these since long time ago, even high ranking member

Casinoguru usually suggests other mediators complaints could use when it comes to betting related disputes, but I just can't find the list.

A long time ago, I try to help someone with case sports. Advice him to open CG even already open a thread, but CG response not accepted or process any sportbets issue. Few days ago in here, I advice AskGambler cause read someone mentioned these in thread (but i never access or visit askgambler). Today, I visit and guess what's ?

Not a casino or sports betting related issue
Having an issue concerning poker, bingo or esports? Sorry, we cannot help you. As the AskGamblers website is currently focused mostly on online casinos and slot games, AGCCS is not designed or meant to provide a complaint service, nor accept complaints concerning esports, bingo, poker or any other gambling-related matters except disputes referring to the usage of online casino products and their affiliate programs.

It's very hard to solve such matters here unless if one of the members has access to evidence from both parties. So what is the point of blaming some members here who are trying to help?

Those also could be proof, sports issue is really complicated. Otherwise if not really complicated, 2 bigs brand website name will accept sportbet case.

[DGUDGUDGU]

More excuses, more you siding with bookies stealing money because you don't understand how betting works and you're just yapping.

Genuinely the way your brain works is insane.

There's no need to be bitter at random people. I have read his statement and I don't see him siding with the casino you are accusation.
Casinoguru usually suggests other mediators complaints could use when it comes to betting related disputes, but I just can't find the list. They could be worth trying.

It's very hard to solve such matters here unless if one of the members has access to evidence from both parties. So what is the point of blaming some members here who are trying to help?

The problem with all his comments is that he is completely disconnected with how sports betting actually works, his understanding comes from what these weird scammy bookmakers are saying.
So in his head he genuinely thinks arb / bot betting is something bannable, when arb requires 2 different oddsets to execute and bot betting is not a real thing.

Keep in mind none of this stuff that WE88 is banning users for is even in their terms and conditions, they have nothing about bot betting they've just completely made it up.
and the bookmakers that accuse players of 'arb' usually never have it in their t&cs and won't have access to a players other set of bets on a different oddset.

Just because something is complicated does not mean you should not persue the truth, he is still heavily encouraging play on WE88 on their megathread even after 3 different scam accusations in a month.
And with WE88 not providing anything from provider, not having any of the reason for banning players actually in their t&cs, no ability for players to post bet history to disprove anything and outright locking logins.

I just think he's a very dishonest member of this forum.

There is very helpful members for example 'holydarkness' who always questions in a fair way and has a balanced position on every situation.
We have seen many bookmakers be completely incompetent for example rollbit accusing everyone on multi-accounting and then walking that back.
Betpanda who this guy is advertising, heavily openly scams people on their sportsbook every day.

Well it's up to them then + reading the casino response the fund initial is refunded. So, don't know too if the refund is already being refunded or not... If they already refund the initial deposit (could be they just mark these case as finish) and go on. Like it or not

With this logic every single operating casino can just open scam all users on their sports side, claim any reason 'arb betting, use of software, bot betting, multi-account'

and because it's complicated because of the odds provider, there's no point digging deeper, even when multiple people are making claims against the same site in a small amount of time.

Well that's pretty much what betpanda is doing already, and you're completely fine having their logo next to your name