E.L.O.N. M.U.S.K. Act to stop Elon from getting taxpayer's money

[paxmao]

Mark Pocan, Democrat from Wisconsin has introduced the Eliminate Looting of Our Nation by Mitigating Unethical State Kleptocracy (E.L.O.N. M.U.S.K) Act.

It would ban "special governement employees" from having federal contracts, on the obvious grounds of conflict of interest.

The point is to evidence that while Musk now poses as the bane of Government expense, his companies have received billions in government funding.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/20/business/elon-musk-wealth-government-help/index.html

virtually all of his net worth can be pinned to government help. Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans.

“The foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government,” said Daniel Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities.

In other words, he used government funds at large scale to build his personal wealth, while now goes rampart (and illegally) on the institutions that actually make the government possible.

[BADecker]

Now why didn't he do this in the Biden Administration? Lol. The answer is he and his buddies would have lost too much money... which they will loose now as DOGE makes honest folks out of them.

[paxmao]

Now why didn't he do this in the Biden Administration? Lol. The answer is he and his buddies would have lost too much money... which they will loose now as DOGE makes honest folks out of them.

Because Elon was not a special employee taking advantage of government data to further his business. There is no point in putting a solution to a problem that did not exist.

You think Trump will remove the "deep state", by now you should have figured out that it will simply be replaced with his own state. All the people being removed from the admin will be rehired, among his loyal non-thinkers.

[Saratogga]

The mask needs to be called in for questioning, it gets everywhere, even in Germany, this is not normal.

[paxmao]

The mask needs to be called in for questioning, it gets everywhere, even in Germany, this is not normal.

It is actually getting into the politics of any country that does not give him business privileges. For now, South Africa for not giving a Starlink licence, Britain for not granting the visas he wanted (no wonder), for Germany because they did not allow whatever...

But Elon does not address the issue, but rather takes some conspiracy theory, makes something out of nothing and then interferes in foreign nations.

Expect a lot of this to go on for the next few years, and expect Rubio to go running after Elon's doings.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/rubio-accuses-south-africa-of-anti-americanism-and-snubs-g20-meeting

US secretary of state repeats remarks by Donald Trump about ‘expropriation of private property’ in African nation

[BADecker]

The mask needs to be called in for questioning, it gets everywhere, even in Germany, this is not normal.

It is actually getting into the politics of any country that does not give him business privileges. For now, South Africa for not giving a Starlink licence, Britain for not granting the visas he wanted (no wonder), for Germany because they did not allow whatever...

But Elon does not address the issue, but rather takes some conspiracy theory, makes something out of nothing and then interferes in foreign nations.

Expect a lot of this to go on for the next few years, and expect Rubio to go running after Elon's doings.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/rubio-accuses-south-africa-of-anti-americanism-and-snubs-g20-meeting

US secretary of state repeats remarks by Donald Trump about ‘expropriation of private property’ in African nation

Elon has a big job in the US Government. He doesn't have time right now for all these piddly little things.

[paxmao]

The mask needs to be called in for questioning, it gets everywhere, even in Germany, this is not normal.

It is actually getting into the politics of any country that does not give him business privileges. For now, South Africa for not giving a Starlink licence, Britain for not granting the visas he wanted (no wonder), for Germany because they did not allow whatever...

But Elon does not address the issue, but rather takes some conspiracy theory, makes something out of nothing and then interferes in foreign nations.

Expect a lot of this to go on for the next few years, and expect Rubio to go running after Elon's doings.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/06/rubio-accuses-south-africa-of-anti-americanism-and-snubs-g20-meeting

US secretary of state repeats remarks by Donald Trump about ‘expropriation of private property’ in African nation

Elon has a big job in the US Government. He doesn't have time right now for all these piddly little things.

Apparently he is making time for it...

https://www.economist.com/britain/2025/01/09/what-elon-musks-tweets-about-sex-abuse-reveal-about-british-politics

ELON MUSK’S barrage of posts about sexual-abuse scandals in Britain .... Sir Keir Starmer, the prime minister (who was chief prosecutor back then), was “complicit in the rape of Britain”, Mr Musk wrote;

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1686037774510497792?lang=en

They are openly pushing for genocide of white people in South Africa.

@CyrilRamaphosa
, why do you say nothing?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/20/elon-musk-afd-germany/

Elon Musk praises far-right German AfD party
The Alternative for Germany party is classified by German intelligence as a suspected extremist organization.

Musk is using the US influence and the taxpayer's money to push his private business agenda and is going to continue doing it because Trump cannot put a rein on the horse. He is probably as powerful as Trump if not more in the administration and it is going to get much worse during the ongoing coup.

[coolcoinz]

Elon is not a trustworthy individual. He's known for lying, making things up, acting like an ego maniac... Yes, he's a good businessman, but IMO he doesn't possess qualities required from a leader. He's too personal and vindictive. He's known for leaking personal conversations and other unethical behavior. I wouldn't be surprised if it was later found that he abused his position for personal gain.
The way I see it, it was a PR move by Trump to use Musk's support and popularity in his campaign, but it was a mistake to allow him to lead an agency.

[montaga]

Defund SpaceX. It should survive on its own.

[Hispo]

To be honest, I was not even aware much of his success was because the government of the United States decided to invest and give contracts to him in the early days. But I guess it makes sense, even the federal government likes to give some money to companies which shoe some potential and then, when they get bigger and develop technology, turn them into exclusive contractors for agencies.
People within the Republican party underestimate the danger of American oligarchy, in my opinion, oligarchs historically are contrary to the ideas and expression of freedom, they make their local governments to bend in the direction of money and influence, and I have no doubt that is part of Trump and Elon Musk for the USA in the mid-term.

Also, because of the majority the Republican party has managed to get in both the Senate and the house of representatives, this project is likely not to survive and being signed into law. Elon will continue to get access to money and privileged information from the government.

[BADecker]

Why wasn't there an organization like this to stop Biden from giving US money to Ukraine? Do we love Ukraine so much that we would rather see Americans of many big cities on the street just so Ukraine can survive?

Here is the answer to all this. Activate the US Treasury Note, that can't be used outside the US, and has all the weight or more than the Fed Res Note and more... like can be exchanged for gold and silver at the bank, otc, at the depositor's request. Then watch what the people do.

If the US T Note tries to take all of our govt gold away from govt, issue a separate US T Note that will be sold at double for G and S to foreign countries (Russia and Chins) for their G and S. These Notes can be used in anywhere in the world, but will, obviously, only but half the gold the regular US T Notes will buy.

After all, it's no skin off anybodies' elbow for the US to print as many of the various US T Notes as they need. And it doesn't hurt anybody to it all make work by supply and demand, free to anybody.

[paxmao]

To be honest, I was not even aware much of his success was because the government of the United States decided to invest and give contracts to him in the early days. But I guess it makes sense, even the federal government likes to give some money to companies which shoe some potential and then, when they get bigger and develop technology, turn them into exclusive contractors for agencies. [...]

Hispo, it was not "a bit of money". While Musk's fortune is now vast, the original investment was heavily based on the US taxpayer's money.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/20/business/elon-musk-wealth-government-help/index.html

Musk is worth an estimated $326 billion, according to Bloomberg’s real-time billionaire tracker. His companies have received “only” tens of billions from government contracts and programs.

But in other ways, virtually all of his net worth can be pinned to government help. Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans.

“The foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government,” said Daniel Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities.

And now he is just doing everything to give back you'd think???

In 2018, Tesla founder Elon Musk, the second-richest person in the world, also paid no federal income taxes.

And not just in the US...

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/jan/08/elon-musk-tesla-has-received-almost-200m-in-uk-grants-since-2016#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20electric%20vehicle%20company,since%202016%2C%20according%20to%20analysis.

Elon Musk’s Tesla has received almost £200m in UK grants since 2016
Bulk of funds for electric vehicle firm relate to government’s plug-in car grant, analysis finds

This person lives on the back of the US contributors, while using his recently acquired media to manipulate the "herd" that he thinks we are while using now the US government power to illegally harrass Public Servants.

This is looking a lot like a coup.

[BADecker]

When you trust someone, there is always the chance of a coup. We saw it in the Biden Regime, and we did something about it. Too bad it took so long for us to see it. Let's hope that the Deep State is punished into oblivion.

The things that Musk is doing are right out in the open, and so far they are reversing the Biden coup quite nicely.

[paxmao]

When you trust someone, there is always the chance of a coup. We saw it in the Biden Regime, and we did something about it. Too bad it took so long for us to see it. Let's hope that the Deep State is punished into oblivion.

The things that Musk is doing are right out in the open, and so far they are reversing the Biden coup quite nicely.

That is FALSE INFORMATION: Biden won an election and never denied any result when it benefited Trump. Biden did not send anyone to illegaglly threaten Civil Servants, nor did illegally gathered personal data. Biden did not create an specific filtration programme such as project 2025.

The media, the FBI, the CIA, TweeteX and Facebook have been taken over by blind loyalists with a history of posting and supporting conspiracy theories, to the poin that the apointee for the CIA could not even say "Trump lost the 2021 election" when directly asked and Tulsi Gabbard could not even say "Snowden was a traitor" for fear of Trump.

US is a inch of becoming a bannana republic.

[tvbcof]

Remember all of the shit-libs who were calling for 'billionaire' Gate's head?  I do.  They were calling on his head to be selected for president, and that was AFTER his leading role in getting the U.S. DOD's untested gene therapies injected into half of the people on the planet.

Of course Gates had plenty of help from President Trump.  Couldn-da done it without him I dare say.  In fairness though, nobody who was qualified to be selected as POTUS would have acted much differently.  Let's see if president Trumusk dives into the money-flows around the plandemic project.  Doubt it, but I'd be happy to be surprised.

Oh yeah, billionaire-hating shit-libs also seem to have no problem with Soros either.  Funny that.

[franky1]

i dont like defending elon nor trump(feels weird even writing this post).. but when people get facts wrong, it needs correcting

elon didnt get free grants from the US for tesla to the tune of hundreds of billions to give his businesses their value.
instead it initially took out a loan and repaid it in 2 years

also the government has a non-treasury side business which involved the 'carbon credits' where by polluting industries buy credits(penalty) privately to offset their carbon waste, to stay within regulation.. and those enterprises that offer carbon free options can get that money(again not part of normal income tax treasury money) .. between 2008-2019 carbon credits generated just $2b for tesla

as for spaceX, when doing transports to-from the space station, elon is cheaper than nasa's option, same goes for launching satellites for gov funded space exploration/observation missions

elon only got a couple billion from government per contract, where as nasa got bunches of $20b+ over the years.
EG nasa got $21b then subcontracted spaceX whom got $1.6b to do 12 supply missions to the space station.
..
as for his actions within DOGE department, well i think we do need to weed out the deadwood, too many public sector workers get promoted into roles that dont do public facing/public serving tasks, where they are just sitting pretty until retirement

public sector workers need a change of mindset, need to be doing things with integrity, honesty, openness, accountability and ALWAYS in the best interest of the public they serve (in the UK we call this the nolan principles of public service)

but i do see how many people that just argue about elons actions sound more like government boot lickers, defending public servants even when the public servants dont do their jobs properly/fully/well/at all..  and are just working at the cost of tax payers

[paxmao]

i dont like defending elon nor trump(feels weird even writing this post).. but when people get facts wrong, it needs correcting

elon didnt get free grants from the US for tesla to the tune of hundreds of billions to give his businesses their value.
instead it initially took out a loan and repaid it in 2 years

also the government has a non-treasury side business which involved the 'carbon credits' where by polluting industries buy credits(penalty) privately to offset their carbon waste, to stay within regulation.. and those enterprises that offer carbon free options can get that money(again not part of normal income tax treasury money) .. between 2008-2019 carbon credits generated just $2b for tesla

as for spaceX, when doing transports to-from the space station, elon is cheaper than nasa's option, same goes for launching satellites for gov funded space exploration/observation missions

elon only got a couple billion from government per contract, where as nasa got bunches of $20b+ over the years.
EG nasa got $21b then subcontracted spaceX whom got $1.6b to do 12 supply missions to the space station.
..
as for his actions within DOGE department, well i think we do need to weed out the deadwood, too many public sector workers get promoted into roles that dont do public facing/public serving tasks, where they are just sitting pretty until retirement

public sector workers need a change of mindset, need to be doing things with integrity, honesty, openness, accountability and ALWAYS in the best interest of the public they serve (in the UK we call this the nolan principles of public service)

but i do see how many people that just argue about elons actions sound more like government boot lickers, defending public servants even when the public servants dont do their jobs properly/fully/well/at all..  and are just working at the cost of tax payers

I think that is quite what I quoted. Elon made the companies grow after, but he got access to plenty of government funding. It is particularly obnoxious that he got access to money from the "green" plans to create his Tesla thing and now is working with a climate change denialist.

An "Just a couple of billion" or this and that contract comming from the public treasury or this credit that others would not get comming from the US purse... and all the sudden "public spending is bad and inefficient"....

There is no point in defending Elon, he is just not credible. However is very easy to understand him, just follow the smell of money.

It is funny how the generic "public servants do not do their jobs correctly" or they are "sitting pretty" stick so easily. You just say and no further proof is needed because "everyone knows". It is wrong, most parts of most governments work correctly for the salaries and levels they have. The government must of course keep an eye on efficiency, but that is not down to public employees in general.

Next time the US has a 9/11 Trump will somehow blame it on the Democrats or the inneficient agencies... but the fact is that he is cutting on everything that stands between the future Bin Laden and the newer New York skyscrappers.

[BADecker]

i dont like defending elon nor trump(feels weird even writing this post).. but when people get facts wrong, it needs correcting

elon didnt get free grants from the US for tesla to the tune of hundreds of billions to give his businesses their value.
instead it initially took out a loan and repaid it in 2 years

also the government has a non-treasury side business which involved the 'carbon credits' where by polluting industries buy credits(penalty) privately to offset their carbon waste, to stay within regulation.. and those enterprises that offer carbon free options can get that money(again not part of normal income tax treasury money) .. between 2008-2019 carbon credits generated just $2b for tesla

as for spaceX, when doing transports to-from the space station, elon is cheaper than nasa's option, same goes for launching satellites for gov funded space exploration/observation missions

elon only got a couple billion from government per contract, where as nasa got bunches of $20b+ over the years.
EG nasa got $21b then subcontracted spaceX whom got $1.6b to do 12 supply missions to the space station.
..
as for his actions within DOGE department, well i think we do need to weed out the deadwood, too many public sector workers get promoted into roles that dont do public facing/public serving tasks, where they are just sitting pretty until retirement

public sector workers need a change of mindset, need to be doing things with integrity, honesty, openness, accountability and ALWAYS in the best interest of the public they serve (in the UK we call this the nolan principles of public service)

but i do see how many people that just argue about elons actions sound more like government boot lickers, defending public servants even when the public servants dont do their jobs properly/fully/well/at all..  and are just working at the cost of tax payers

I think that is quite what I quoted. Elon made the companies grow after, but he got access to plenty of government funding. It is particularly obnoxious that he got access to money from the "green" plans to create his Tesla thing and now is working with a climate change denialist.

An "Just a couple of billion" or this and that contract comming from the public treasury or this credit that others would not get comming from the US purse... and all the sudden "public spending is bad and inefficient"....

There is no point in defending Elon, he is just not credible. However is very easy to understand him, just follow the smell of money.

It is funny how the generic "public servants do not do their jobs correctly" or they are "sitting pretty" stick so easily. You just say and no further proof is needed because "everyone knows". It is wrong, most parts of most governments work correctly for the salaries and levels they have. The government must of course keep an eye on efficiency, but that is not down to public employees in general.

Next time the US has a 9/11 Trump will somehow blame it on the Democrats or the inneficient agencies... but the fact is that he is cutting on everything that stands between the future Bin Laden and the newer New York skyscrappers.

Well, it was the Dems that did or allowed the first 9/11. Trump won't let them get away with it a second time. They will be prosecuted.

If Musk gets benefit out a legal thing, why not? Many of the rest of us get the same... mostly those who want to shut Musk down.

[franky1]

To be honest, I was not even aware much of his success was because the government of the United States decided to invest and give contracts to him in the early days. But I guess it makes sense, even the federal government likes to give some money to companies which shoe some potential and then, when they get bigger and develop technology, turn them into exclusive contractors for agencies. [...]

Hispo, it was not "a bit of money". While Musk's fortune is now vast, the original investment was heavily based on the US taxpayer's money.

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/20/business/elon-musk-wealth-government-help/index.html

Musk is worth an estimated $326 billion, according to Bloomberg’s real-time billionaire tracker. His companies have received “only” tens of billions from government contracts and programs.

But in other ways, virtually all of his net worth can be pinned to government help. Tesla and SpaceX got started – and survived their early days – with assistance from state and federal policies, government contracts and loans.

“The foundation for Musk’s financial success has been the US government,” said Daniel Ives, tech analyst for Wedbush Securities.

elon took out loans and repaid them.. elon received funding for government departments to PURCHASE goods(cars) and services(spacestation transport)
but none of that "tens of billions" was grants(donations/free handouts)

unlike NASA that gets about $20b a year but has not really done much in decades...

heck.. nasa is spending $340m a year on their own efficiency department.. trying to find ways to publish how they can say they are saving money..
.. but elon, not getting paid is doing it for free for all gov departments. and it seems people think elon is the greedy one taking free handouts.. kinda funny

all i see in this topic and ones similar to it basing the elon efficiency plan, is people that just want their lazy gov worker buddies to keep their freeloading jobs. bootlicking their buddies
(and i personally(as a brit) dont like trump nor many things about america, but do see this efficiency plan and strip down of gov as a good thing, but maybe its because im outsider and can see things clearer then those in america whom probably have relatives they depend on working for gov)

so far 65,000 gov employees have taken up the severance offer, good start(or good end for some)

[Sender78]

Musk is taking a big risk.