Now we know the Boss [Bitcoin vs Ethereum]

[pooya87]

Even using bitcoin and ethereum in the same sentence is wrong because they have nothing in common, they are not even in the same category.

Bitcoin is a decentralized payment system with a limited supply and an immutable blockchain and a solid protocol that is secure.
Ethereum is a centralized token creation platform with an unlimited supply and a mutable blockchain and a protocol filled with security flaws that can and have been exploited.

As for the price, ETH has been consistently dumping in the past 7 years (since the ATH at the end of 2017) against BTC; that is dumping from 0.15 down to 0.02. So it is wrong to look at its dollar price because part of the reason why it has gone up a little in the same period is because bitcoin price went up!

[obuoma]

There has never been any rivalry or competition between bitcoin and Ethereum because there is no bases of comparison. Bitcoin is the pioneer cryptocurrency occupying over 50% of the market dominance. Bitcoin have no comparison with Ethereum because even as governments are discussion keeping Bitcoin reserve, no one is discussing such for Ethereum which means they know the significant of Bitcoin and it is the most reliable cryptocurrency. Finally, there is the possibility of Ethereum dumping completely whereas there is no such possibility with Bitcoin.

[WatChe]

Some people misled people that ethereum one day will increase above bitcoin in marketcap. But they forgot that there are ethereum competitors. As usual, people will leave the old altcoins and move to new altcoins. That is what that happened to ethereum. Ethereum still tried as it did not get really dumped but it is not a store of value just like the other coins.

Ethereum is controlled by a community of developers, it's not a decentralised platform like Bitcoin. So there can't be one-on-one comparison between these two platforms. Ethereum may be scalable but Bitcoin has no match in security and decentralisation.

Moreover there is overwhelming supply of Ethereum coins in the market i.e around 120 million Ethereum coins are in circulation. Ethereum shifted to PoS in Sep 2022 and since then 1,947,607.01 Ethereums have been burned while 1,947,757.18 new Ethereums have been added to circulation. So there is net increase of 150 Ethereums in the marekt while PoS was adopted to decrease the supply of Ethereum coins. With so many coins in the market, its still a blessing for Ethereum that it has a price over 2500$..   

https://www.binance.com/en/square/post/02-05-2025-ethereum-supply-surpasses-pre-merge-levels-19889163958794

[Ambatman]

Now you know the Boss Not we.
Price isn't even the proof
The moment they went full POS, they lost the right to be used in the same context with Bitcoin.
Ethereum has too many alternative
So it's marketcap is shared among other altcoins.
I do pity those that are doing HODL for shitcoins including Ethereum.

[Kemarit]

Foundation matters, Bitcoin has it most-solid, it created the idea, without Bitcoin, no cryptocurrency. Who dares belittle Bitcoin with Ethereum again? Only a fool, 2025 is not 2021. In 2021, also before then, you would hear it loud that Ethereum will beat Bitcoin one day, yes in their dreams.

Bitcoin broke the 2021 ATH [$69k] in 03/2024 to reached $73,850, recorded a new height in 11/2024 [$108k], finally the current ATH≈$110k.

What did Ethereum? Nothing, it has been lazy. The ATH of 2021 [$4,870] is still holding in 2025.

That's why in this bull run cycle, we have said that it could be the first time that we have seen Bitcoin and altcoin market decoupling because of what you describe. There's no altcoin season yet and when you visited their board, everyone is asking about when it's going to happen. But the money is still in the Bitcoin market, and even if we see Bitcoin going down, investors sold and hedge their money on stable coins and not on altcoins.

But we shouldn't rubbed it in to the altcoin investors here, LOL, they could still be thinking that they would still have their own version of the bull run. But it's really hard to see how it will go on their way when Bitcoin is having a good run and it's expecting that we might touch based prices around $150,00-$180,000.

[Lucius]

Was that ever in question? BTC was the first, and everything else is an attempt to do something better, but no one succeeded for a simple reason - everyone worked for themselves and their own profit - the same is the case with ETH and its creator who got rich because part of the token was premined, and to this day (as far as I know) no max supply has been set.

However, if you look only from the perspective of investment and profit - at the beginning of 2016 or 2017 1 ETH was worth about $7, and a few years later it reached almost $5000. People made a lot of money even with relatively little investment, and miners made money too, until the boss decided to shoot himself in both knees and replace PoS with PoW.

That is certainly one of the reasons why trust in that project has been lost - because someone wrote that ETH can be controlled literally from a basement with a couple of computers.

[freedomgo]

I can’t remember a time when Bitcoin was truly outperformed by altcoins. And even if it happens temporarily, Bitcoin will always remain the boss or actually, not even the boss, but the king, since that title sounds more respectful.

If you’re judging its performance based on past years, don’t cherry-pick specific timeframes. Look at the bigger picture, from the very beginning until now, and you’ll see that Bitcoin has dominated them all.

[$weetne$$]

Foundation matters, Bitcoin has it most-solid, it created the idea, without Bitcoin, no cryptocurrency. Who dares belittle Bitcoin with Ethereum again? Only a fool, 2025 is not 2021. In 2021, also before then, you would hear it loud that Ethereum will beat Bitcoin one day, yes in their dreams.

There is not going to be any altcoins that will outshine Bitcoin in market capitalization and stay there for long. Other coins can be the most traded for sometime because of their hype but they can not outshine Bitcoin. There are some memecoins that can increase very well and give big profits but they are all for short term as they will not last too long in the market. Ethereum has tried its best and has been the second coin in market capitalization for a long time but very soon other coins might pass Ethereum because it has not been making the investors very happy. But for Bitcoin, it  has always kept its Investors happy because we get a new highest price every four years and this has not stopped since Bitcoin was created back in 2009.

[examplens]

Was that ever in question? BTC was the first, and everything else is an attempt to do something better, but no one succeeded for a simple reason - everyone worked for themselves and their own profit - the same is the case with ETH and its creator who got rich because part of the token was premined, and to this day (as far as I know) no max supply has been set.

I think that even Vitalik did not sincerely believe in the possibility that Ethereum could surpass Bitcoin in any segment.
These kinds of stories come from Ethereum holders who missed the moment to sell high, so it's a kind of comforting way of looking at things and justifying why they entered a long-term hold.

[Felicity_Tide]

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What did Ethereum? Nothing, it has been lazy. The ATH of 2021 [$4,870] is still holding in 2025.

Nothing personal though, but this is one problem I think most people including myself keeps pointing to, aside the high tx fee and scalability issues.
Like, I don't understand why it keeps struggling, even during bullish times when the supposed altcoin market are doing well. Of course, it does well, but not well as the supposed first alt should do IMO. If we are to have another bullish movement, Bitcoin is going to outclass, and might even break a new ATH, because that's the surprise we've been getting lately. While ETH on the other would as well show some bullish signs, but those bullish signs won't even look interesting. I wonder what the ETH community anticipate for, in terms of new price discovery.

The debate at this very point is pointless. If they are actually making this comparison based on smart contracts, then we might want to ask how come the Binance smart chain managed to offer both good price (to some extent in their alt level), and smart contracts as well. We should probably be comparing alts with alts, and not the other way around.

[MamBp9]

Ethereum isn't even a worthy opponent against Bitcoin.

l know that bitcoin is the best coin ever. Bitcoin is the guardian of all coins. Bitcoin cannot be Compared to other coins.

[Mpamaegbu]

What did Ethereum? Nothing, it has been lazy. The ATH of 2021 [$4,870] is still holding in 2025.

Comparing Bitcoin with Ethereum is like comparing apples and oranges. Both are on different pedestals. Bitcoin always tops ETH. There's a reason this industry is classified as Bitcoin and altcoins. However, I've my reservation about who's lazy. That expression doesn't accurately balance what's on ground but let's leave that argument for another time.

I can’t remember a time when Bitcoin was truly outperformed by altcoins. And even if it happens temporarily, Bitcoin will always remain the boss or actually, not even the boss, but the king, since that title sounds more respectful.

That happened in 2021 with Yearn Finance (YFI) which achieved its ATH of $90,700+ in 2021, at a time when Bitcoin hadn't even got to $70,000.

[Lucius]

I think that even Vitalik did not sincerely believe in the possibility that Ethereum could surpass Bitcoin in any segment.
These kinds of stories come from Ethereum holders who missed the moment to sell high, so it's a kind of comforting way of looking at things and justifying why they entered a long-term hold.

From everything I've read over the years, I've gained a completely opposite opinion - because he just wanted to do something that will surpass BTC, which according to him is very limited in the sense that it doesn't support everything that supports his project. When you look at all these "innovations", there is no question that they were very useful to some, but it seems to me that there are so many scams in this field that it is difficult to count them.

Not so long ago, we saw what it means when someone abuses BTC with all these ordinal nonsense or whatever they're not called - and when it comes to ETH it's hard to count all the nonsense that took real wealth out of millions of people's wallets, and only allowed a few to get rich.

I don't know if you remember that a few years ago VB made a statement that he planned to retreat into the shadows like Satoshi, but the call of billions was clearly stronger than that. That's something he will never be able to achieve - because Satoshi did something for all people and left himself out of it.

[franky1]

Bitcoin broke the 2021 ATH [$69k] in 03/2024
What did Ethereum? Nothing, it has been lazy.

ethereum attained its best peg of BTC:ETH of 1:12 in may 2021.. and since then has been sliding down to over 1:35
ethereum is losing and will continue as its underlying cost of minting coin has dropped from near $1k to just $50, meaning its $4.8k ATH was a 5x of underlying value(somewhat inflated).. and now at $2.6k price its sitting at a 50x of underlying value(hyper inflated). so has a long way to fall

bitcoin however is holding strong and not inflated. its sitting at just 1.5x of underlying value. meaning btc has less chance of massive crash but alot of potential to rise

[dezoel]

To be fair, with how ETH reached its peak thanks to ERC20 ecosystem and all the tokens and games and NFT's and whatever else, it did look for a moment that flip would eventually happen. I agree with OP on this, looks like we are not talking about anything that great anymore and probably won't be doing that well.

I understand things may look a little different at the moment but this isn't really that complicated if you ask me, it is definitely a huge issue without a doubt. ETH may not be the one, but we do need some coin to do good enough that Bitcoin can't get lazy, I am not saying bitcoin devs need to improve all the time, but because there is no competition, there is no fee change neither, lighting network is just a myth at this point.

[Botnake]

Bitcoin dominates the whole crypto market, so it's clear as a crystal ball that bitcoin is the real boss, not ethereum or any other altcoin. Without bitcoin, I don't think if the crypto market will still be popular as it is today. However, ethereum lead the altcoin market, but bitcoin is the foundation of the whole crypto market. Ethereum only follows the path of bitcoin.

[mirakal]

Bitcoin is the prominent coin, ethereum is an alternative coin, and they shouldn't be compared first and foremost. Bitcoin is decentralized, while ethereum is a centralized one, and any centralized coin will never be prominent and valuable as a decentralized one like bitcoin. Hope you get my point. Bitcoin is the lifeblood of the whole crypto market, ethereum isn't and will never be.

[suzanne5223]

There's no point in comprising of Bitcoin and Ethereum because they were never at the same level, nor were they created for the same purpose.
Bitcoin was created as an alternative to the issue that has to do with fiat and hedge against inflation while Ethereum was created to be the platform where shitcoin reproduces shitcoin.
People just need to wake up to this fact and make sure they prioritize holding their Bitcoin in self-custodial wallet because the organization like BlackRock are going to play a huge game in the future (of which they have already started it from the moment Binance.us as legal issue.)

[Smartvirus]

Foundation matters, Bitcoin has it most-solid, it created the idea, without Bitcoin, no cryptocurrency. Who dares belittle Bitcoin with Ethereum again? Only a fool, 2025 is not 2021. In 2021, also before then, you would hear it loud that Ethereum will beat Bitcoin one day, yes in their dreams.

Bitcoin broke the 2021 ATH [$69k] in 03/2024 to reached $73,850, recorded a new height in 11/2024 [$108k], finally the current ATH≈$110k.

What did Ethereum? Nothing, it has been lazy. The ATH of 2021 [$4,870] is still holding in 2025.

Now I can say I’ve seen a user with a truly newbie thread. From the subject of the thread, it already has the stink of a newbie written all over it and I wasn’t mistaken.

Anyway, you don’t put Bitcoin into any form of comparison with any other coin out there. It’s the one reason why it’s a stand alone currency, while other coins fits into the context of altcoin and tokens, Bitcoin reserves its spot and directs the market movement through all seasons.

[Catenaccio]

Even using bitcoin and ethereum in the same sentence is wrong because they have nothing in common, they are not even in the same category.

Bitcoin is a decentralized payment system with a limited supply and an immutable blockchain and a solid protocol that is secure.
Ethereum is a centralized token creation platform with an unlimited supply and a mutable blockchain and a protocol filled with security flaws that can and have been exploited.

Many big differences between Bitcoin and Ethereum and the most shameful even in history of Ethereum is The DAO hack, after that Vitalik team reverted Ethereum blockchain to got stolen bitcoin back. Shame and uncomparable to Bitcoin blockchain that is irreversible.

As for the price, ETH has been consistently dumping in the past 7 years (since the ATH at the end of 2017) against BTC; that is dumping from 0.15 down to 0.02. So it is wrong to look at its dollar price because part of the reason why it has gone up a little in the same period is because bitcoin price went up!

It is big regret for anyone who sold bitcoin to buy Ethereum in 2017. If they hold their bitcoin in 8 years, they have same bitcoin numbers and value of their portfolio increases a lot. If they sold their bitcoin, bought Ethereum, their equivalent bitcoin number now is /7. I can not see any worse nightmare for investors like this case.

Ethereum kills their investors who mostly began with Bitcoin but later were convinced by Ethereum to join this project through selling bitcoins.