Bitcoin ETF Impact

[AprilioMP]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

Unconsciously, the impact of Bitcoin spot ETFs feels more positive behind the latest ATH that has not changed. Previously, Bitcoin spot ETFs were like a huge flow that could not be stopped and had to be approved, which came not because of pressure but like a necessity.
The impact on prices, I think this article can help you understand it and I think it will make it easier for you to analyze on what basis Bitcoin Spot ETFs need to be approved.
https://www.investopedia.com/spot-bitcoin-etfs-8358373

[RagnarTheThunderer]

I see this as a big step forward for bitcoin! ETFs will make it easier for mainstream investors to get involved which could lead to more stability over time. Sure there's always a risk of manipulation but bitcoin has faced that since the beginning. More institutional adoption could also mean greater legitimacy and long term growth. I think this is a net positive for bitcoin's future.

[OcTradism]

I'm not so sure this is a good thing. ETFs mean more institutional control and we've seen how traditional markets get manipulated by big players. Bitcoin was supposed to be a decentralized alternative nut now it's getting tied to wall street. i wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing price suppression tactics similar to what happens in commodities markets. I'll keep holding but I'm keeping my expectations in check.

They as institutional investors with huge investment capital, will do try manipulations in Bitcoin market, for profit, but they can not, let's emphasize, they can not and will never be able to control Bitcoin network and attack the network with 51% attacks or censorship on Bitcoin transactions.

Bitcoin's main pillars for its value and success will continue its existence and won't be affected or destroyed by participation and appearance of Bitcoin institutional investors in this market.

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[john_egbert]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

Unconsciously, the impact of Bitcoin spot ETFs feels more positive behind the latest ATH that has not changed. Previously, Bitcoin spot ETFs were like a huge flow that could not be stopped and had to be approved, which came not because of pressure but like a necessity.
The impact on prices, I think this article can help you understand it and I think it will make it easier for you to analyze on what basis Bitcoin Spot ETFs need to be approved.
https://www.investopedia.com/spot-bitcoin-etfs-8358373

So, it's mostly a good impact.
Bitcoin wouldn't be able to move forward without the adoption it currently has. It would still be high up there, but not enough to have it in the country's reserves, per se.

[macson]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

That will lead to manipulation. These big players have resources that are much more than ordinary holders. If they want to buy thousands of bitcoins, they can do it. And if they want to sell the bitcoins they have, they can do it quickly. There is nothing that can stop them. and what they do is they can create a panic effect in the market, and that makes the price of bitcoin volatile or they can hold it and make bitcoin stay at a certain point.

[fikrett]

That will lead to manipulation. These big players have resources that are much more than ordinary holders. If they want to buy thousands of bitcoins, they can do it. And if they want to sell the bitcoins they have, they can do it quickly. There is nothing that can stop them. and what they do is they can create a panic effect in the market, and that makes the price of bitcoin volatile or they can hold it and make bitcoin stay at a certain point.

Isn't that a good thing that thousands of BTC is being bought in the perspective?
After all, everybody can buy BTC.
And they won't have the upper hand by having more BTC to manipulate it in a raw meaning - they are also obliged by said ETFs so that they can't do it anyway. Regulatory ones, you know - no ability for instant large-scale trades, no rapid position changes, and so on.

[AprilioMP]

Unconsciously, the impact of Bitcoin spot ETFs feels more positive behind the latest ATH that has not changed. Previously, Bitcoin spot ETFs were like a huge flow that could not be stopped and had to be approved, which came not because of pressure but like a necessity.
The impact on prices, I think this article can help you understand it and I think it will make it easier for you to analyze on what basis Bitcoin Spot ETFs need to be approved.
https://www.investopedia.com/spot-bitcoin-etfs-8358373

So, it's mostly a good impact.
Bitcoin wouldn't be able to move forward without the adoption it currently has. It would still be high up there, but not enough to have it in the country's reserves, per se.

Bitcoin was created not to be used as a reserve of the country. Basically, Bitcoin is an electronic peer to peer currency system that provides ease of transactions, getting good privacy.
In short, my way of thinking is that from the understanding of Bukuputih, intelligent people see it necessary if Bitcoin is used as a backup because of hedge.

[GbitG]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

Bitcoin Spot ETF can lead to stability, as well as it can also bring some more manipulation fro the investors. Because as much as ETFs got people trending towards Bitcoin and no one else did. So it is clear from this that there is stability in the price with the help of the investor. The market is not reacting like before and now the whole world is looking at the Bitcoin adoption of ETFs for investment which can bring more stability in the price. Despite on the other hand, the impact of ETF may pose a threat to institutional investors that they can manipulate the market.

So with the impact of ETFs, we have also got a good touch, but at the same time, we have also got a hint of danger, which means that big players can manipulate us together. like institutional sect etc.

[Ever-young]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

I don’t think anyone wants Bitcoin to get stable in price it was never suppose to be stable, a volatile asset don’t get stable the price keeps on rotating, if more people are getting ETF approved and adding it into their investment buy options that can only bring more visibility to the currency and not price stability, the big names have gotten it approved which that have done its part in the market, for now every other approval I don’t think it can have any strong impact on the market positively price can only increase a bit but being stable it’s not possible.

[shield132]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

Bitcoin ETFs caused inflow of billions of dollars. We still have 21 million supply, Bitcoins are still mined every day and increased inflow of money means that more people are investing in Bitcoin and going to hold it. This means that Bitcoin's price is going to be stabilly high. If in past we had a price floating between 4K and 10K, in the next few years, Bitcoin's price will float between 50K and 150K. With Bitcoin ETFs and so much investment, minimum price is increasing. Years ago $1000 was a dream, remember that.

Btw Bitcoin's price will be volatile again because it's the nature of Bitcoin, this coin is also easily speculated and I think it will stay this way for a long time. It might become more stable after a few decades when it will be very adopted and the market cap will be similar to gold.

[OcTradism]

Bitcoin ETFs caused inflow of billions of dollars. We still have 21 million supply, Bitcoins are still mined every day and increased inflow of money means that more people are investing in Bitcoin and going to hold it. This means that Bitcoin's price is going to be stabilly high. If in past we had a price floating between 4K and 10K, in the next few years, Bitcoin's price will float between 50K and 150K. With Bitcoin ETFs and so much investment, minimum price is increasing. Years ago $1000 was a dream, remember that.

Growth needs time and Bitcoin Spot ETFs brought mass new capital to Bitcoin market from OTC market to Spot market, but people will need a long time to actually feel importance of the new capital inflow from Spot ETFs. They later will realize that there are and will be more demand to purchase bitcoin with time. If they sell their bitcoins at cheap prices to Bitcoin Spot ETFs and new Bitcoin investors, they will do things like sale-off without pressure from anyone.

It's only they don't have enough believe in Bitcoin to hold their bitcoin tightly and bravely for better profit even they are earlier Bitcoin investors.

Btw Bitcoin's price will be volatile again because it's the nature of Bitcoin, this coin is also easily speculated and I think it will stay this way for a long time. It might become more stable after a few decades when it will be very adopted and the market cap will be similar to gold.

Volatility is part of a live market, a beauty of Bitcoin market and one of most attractive things of Bitcoin market. Without volatility, Bitcoin market will no longer be lively and attractively enough to investors from traditional markets.

[fikrett]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

I don’t think anyone wants Bitcoin to get stable in price it was never suppose to be stable, a volatile asset don’t get stable the price keeps on rotating, if more people are getting ETF approved and adding it into their investment buy options that can only bring more visibility to the currency and not price stability, the big names have gotten it approved which that have done its part in the market, for now every other approval I don’t think it can have any strong impact on the market positively price can only increase a bit but being stable it’s not possible.

It depends on what stable is defined.
If we look at it, BTC becomes more and more "stable" with each cycle, imo. And as time goes on, it will become more and more relevant due to how valuable it already is.

[Zigabel]

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

It's expected that prices gets some stability alongside some progressive moves resulting from this but then we cannot be exactly sure as that isn't the only factor to be considered because other factors roo has an impact in the determination the effect on BTC resulting form ETF.

[AsvXrin]

honestly i think it could go either way. On one hand, ETFs bring more legitimacy and could make bitcoin less volatile. On the other hand, Wall Street lovers to play games so we might see more price manipulation. It's a big experiment at this point but I'm still bullish long term.

[FortuneFollower]

It's expected that prices gets some stability alongside some progressive moves resulting from this but then we cannot be exactly sure as that isn't the only factor to be considered because other factors roo has an impact in the determination the effect on BTC resulting form ETF.

Now we move sideways, and we don't know for sure when we will reenter the sentiment that was back when reached 100k.
The thing that is certain is that we do have lots of opportunities to break the current status quo, we just need to wait a bit.

[AmoreJaz]

It's expected that prices gets some stability alongside some progressive moves resulting from this but then we cannot be exactly sure as that isn't the only factor to be considered because other factors roo has an impact in the determination the effect on BTC resulting form ETF.

Now we move sideways, and we don't know for sure when we will reenter the sentiment that was back when reached 100k.
The thing that is certain is that we do have lots of opportunities to break the current status quo, we just need to wait a bit.

We can't stop the advancement in technology these days. So how btc will move will depend on how things are progressing in the market. However, with more related crypto-related ETFs being introduced in the mainstream market, means, more users will participate in this industry. Hence, more demand means possible increase of btc price. As we all know that btc has fixed supply, more demand will only head to positive direction of btc.

[BenCodie]

honestly i think it could go either way. On one hand, ETFs bring more legitimacy and could make bitcoin less volatile. On the other hand, Wall Street lovers to play games so we might see more price manipulation. It's a big experiment at this point but I'm still bullish long term.

ETFs will likely have both stabilizing and destabilizing effects on bitcoin. Increased liquidity could reduce extreme price swings, but institutional influence might also introduce new forms of price manipulation. The impact will depend on trading volume, regulatory oversight, and how these ETFs interact with the broader crypto market. It's a major shift and we'll need to see how it plays out over time. Either way this is a new chapter for bitcoin.

Both of you have made great posts here for newbie members. Keep it up If I had merit, I'd throw you one each.

Now that multiple Bitcoin ETFs are live, do you guys think this will lead to more price stability, or will it bring more manipulation from institutional players? What's your take?

I don’t think anyone wants Bitcoin to get stable in price it was never suppose to be stable, a volatile asset don’t get stable the price keeps on rotating, if more people are getting ETF approved and adding it into their investment buy options that can only bring more visibility to the currency and not price stability, the big names have gotten it approved which that have done its part in the market, for now every other approval I don’t think it can have any strong impact on the market positively price can only increase a bit but being stable it’s not possible.

It depends on what stable is defined.
If we look at it, BTC becomes more and more "stable" with each cycle, imo. And as time goes on, it will become more and more relevant due to how valuable it already is.

Growing liquidity allows it to overcome challenges like manipulation and withstands higher volume both to the up and downside. What will be interesting is when bigger players with deeper pockets start buying (and selling), and if they've already done so or are still going.

[RockBell]

That will lead to manipulation. These big players have resources that are much more than ordinary holders. If they want to buy thousands of bitcoins, they can do it. And if they want to sell the bitcoins they have, they can do it quickly. There is nothing that can stop them. and what they do is they can create a panic effect in the market, and that makes the price of bitcoin volatile or they can hold it and make bitcoin stay at a certain point.

Manipulation did not start today amd it is not the issue of etf or not the big dogs are always looking for ways to make the market to there favour because a lot of things are happening in the market and they will want to dump and pump coin because there is a lot manipulation in the crypto market and it you look at the market ot will always favour everyone and that is why I don't think everyone will be complaining and when there is panic in the market the price will definitely come down and this is Another opportunity for people to buy but this time around people don't want to buy the dip again and it is a good thing.

[fikrett]

Growing liquidity allows it to overcome challenges like manipulation and withstands higher volume both to the up and downside. What will be interesting is when bigger players with deeper pockets start buying (and selling), and if they've already done so or are still going.

It's happening already, albeit on a smaller scale than what's possibly coming.
And after all, ETFs are prohibiting most of the tricks many think would be viable once big guys enter the game (they are already in it, but not that deep).
That's why, I think, we can say that, in the long run, it will be good because without bigger capital and recognition from it, BTC won't reach the heights that we envision adoption-wise.

[YUriy1991]

It's happening already, albeit on a smaller scale than what's possibly coming.
And after all, ETFs are prohibiting most of the tricks many think would be viable once big guys enter the game (they are already in it, but not that deep).
That's why, I think, we can say that, in the long run, it will be good because without bigger capital and recognition from it, BTC won't reach the heights that we envision adoption-wise.

Of course, BTC growth will be born if demand continues to increase and the level of trust in Bitcoin grows high from various groups and institutions. There will always be positive and negative points from the impact of the Bitcoin ETF itself, maybe you can read about it in various sources. What we think is good at the beginning will usually end up being bad, this is because it could contain many items with various interests. The direction we want is to still be able to take advantage of these opportunities without losing control over the assets themselves, such as having your own house but the spare key is also with a second party.