News talking about UK economical growth and unemployment UK lazy ?

[Fullbear2222]

News taking about UK have no growth high unemployement ofc high crime rate too.
Why UK people don't want to work ? What's the problem are they lazy? Economic experts talking a lot now that uk has no growth they need to see growth.
If no growth that's not good for bankers profits, santander bank allready talking to move out of UK.
Also UK defeciet higher then exports....so what's the situation? Are people getting just too much free money in UK so they don't bother working ?
My idea will be If goverment will make jobs and housing paid by goverment so unemployed people to send work in goverment factories and jobs.
But people who live in London they see no Any economic slow down cars are nice and london construction booming and real estate market still expensive, it seems like London is different story then the rest of the UK look like London people working harder then the rest of the UK population, because London economy booming.

[Shortmaster]

News taking about UK have no growth high unemployement ofc high crime rate too.
Why UK people don't want to work ? What's the problem are they lazy? Economic experts talking a lot now that uk has no growth they need to see growth.
If no growth that's not good for bankers profits, santander bank allready talking to move out of UK.
Also UK defeciet higher then exports....so what's the situation? Are people getting just too much free money in UK so they don't bother working ?
My idea will be If goverment will make jobs and housing paid by goverment so unemployed people to send work in goverment factories and jobs.
But people who live in London they see no Any economic slow down cars are nice and london construction booming and real estate market still expensive, it seems like London is different story then the rest of the UK look like London people working harder then the rest of the UK population, because London economy booming.

2025 is full of opportunities never before in life was not so easy to make money.
Only lazy people, why they don't learn anything? Internet access books? And start doing something If you don't earn money it means you are lazy. Lazy to learn, for example learn sol memes and you make month salary sometimes in few days.

[Mr.sprin]

2025 is full of opportunities never before in life was not so easy to make money.
Only lazy people, why they don't learn anything? Internet access books? And start doing something If you don't earn money it means you are lazy. Lazy to learn, for example learn sol memes and you make month salary sometimes in few days.

In fact, sometimes people are not lazy about making money, but they have tried to find income but they haven't had the opportunity to make money themselves, many people don't have savings yet, of course people are lazy, but their fortune hasn't reached that point, they have to try as hard as possible to be able to achieve a decent income, with the development of the current technological era, there are many things we can do to make money, sometimes it is hindered by limited knowledge, things that must be improved in the future to be able to survive with the development of the current technological era.

[franky1]

no growth due to:

new home builds delayed due to many reasons:
  - environmental concerns that certain area's have too much phosphates entering the waterways and polluting the rivers
  - housing market average price not not grown to expectations, so they dont want to ruin it more by adding too much supply to break the market
this means less developers are building and so no one is training new builders, workmen, foremen
this also affects the material suppliers and their employee prospects

retail has changed too,
  - a big push to do things online and have goods delivered has caused less employment in the retail industry
  - even the distribution centres are replacing employees for automated robot pickers
  - and alot of vacant retail stores in town centres. which also leads to less people wanting to go into town to shop because there is less choice/reason
snowball effect in some towns where less footfall in the town causes more shops to close

fast food
  - with people ordering online for delivery, less people need to go into town and less end up going retail shopping whilst eating out
  - fast food places use apps and instore touchscreens so less servers and employees needed
  - some places even totally drop the walk-in model and just do the drive-thru&delivery model

grocery and convenience stores
  - these to started doing self serve cashier desk and such, so less employees required

business and office
  - with things like IT and AI, less staff are needed as things become more automated,
  - even chat bots are used for customer service
  - if you do get through to a customer service human, its usually an indian call centre

banking
  - with online banking people dont need a physical bank branch to set up an account or manage account
  - with tap and pay, less people need access to physical money.. so again less physical presence of employee attended banking is needed in a town

pubs, bars and entertainment
  - due to costs of going out and the lack of ability to smoke and vape in the warmth of an establishment, people drink at home
  - with things like netflix and other streaming services that offer a multitude of entertainment, less people desire live entertainment on a evening out

tourism and hospitality
  - less tourists visit the uk, which has affected the employability of this sector, many hotels are left empty and then earmarked for asylum seekers
  - asylum seeker hotel government contracts dictate they do not require as many cleaners/hospitality employees as the residents self serve
  - hotels dont have own chef but instead residents have a budget to order in from fast food delivery service, again affecting employment within hotel
  - residents do their own laundry and room hygiene(well they are suppose to)

transport
  - with less industries needing supplies those truck drivers end up doing uber(driver and eats)
  - with less people shopping in town the public bus service drivers end up doing uber(driver and eats)
  - but too many people wanting to compete for uber customers means the pay is not sustainable

[Fullbear2222]

no growth due to:

new home builds delayed due to many reasons:
  - environmental concerns that certain area's have too much phosphates entering the waterways and polluting the rivers
  - housing market average price not not grown to expectations, so they dont want to ruin it more by adding too much supply to break the market
this means less developers are building and so no one is training new builders, workmen, foremen
this also affects the material suppliers and their employee prospects

retail has changed too,
  - a big push to do things online and have goods delivered has caused less employment in the retail industry
  - even the distribution centres are replacing employees for automated robot pickers
  - and alot of vacant retail stores in town centres. which also leads to less people wanting to go into town to shop because there is less choice/reason
snowball effect in some towns where less footfall in the town causes more shops to close

fast food
  - with people ordering online for delivery, less people need to go into town and less end up going retail shopping whilst eating out
  - fast food places use apps and instore touchscreens so less servers and employees needed
  - some places even totally drop the walk-in model and just do the drive-thru&delivery model

grocery and convenience stores
  - these to started doing self serve cashier desk and such, so less employees required

business and office
  - with things like IT and AI, less staff are needed as things become more automated,
  - even chat bots are used for customer service
  - if you do get through to a customer service human, its usually an indian call centre

banking
  - with online banking people dont need a physical bank branch to set up an account or manage account
  - with tap and pay, less people need access to physical money.. so again less physical presence of employee attended banking is needed in a town

pubs, bars and entertainment
  - due to costs of going out and the lack of ability to smoke and vape in the warmth of an establishment, people drink at home
  - with things like netflix and other streaming services that offer a multitude of entertainment, less people desire live entertainment on a evening out

tourism and hospitality
  - less tourists visit the uk, which has affected the employability of this sector, many hotels are left empty and then earmarked for asylum seekers
  - asylum seeker hotel government contracts dictate they do not require as many cleaners/hospitality employees as the residents self serve
  - hotels dont have own chef but instead residents have a budget to order in from fast food delivery service, again affecting employment within hotel
  - residents do their own laundry and room hygiene(well they are suppose to)

transport
  - with less industries needing supplies those truck drivers end up doing uber(driver and eats)
  - with less people shopping in town the public bus service drivers end up doing uber(driver and eats)
  - but too many people wanting to compete for uber customers means the pay is not sustainable

It look like great reset of Wef and Davos allready lol you just don't see this announced on the news.
You see it's different it started from covid19

[mindrust]

When the paycheck is barely enough to pay for your basic needs, it makes no sense to work. That’s a very natural reaction from the UK people if they don’t want to work because of that. That’s also why developed countries are allowing illegals in because they need that cheap work force. That happens almost everywhere in the world nowadays UK is not the only place where people don’t want to work.

The whole world is an economic mess and I don’t see a solution that’s also not painful. Some people will have to suffer to death in the near future and only then we can see some progress.

[UTON Blockchain]

Honestly, it's not as simple as blaming laziness. The issue is more about a broken system. Sure, the news shows no growth, high unemployment, and rising crime—but that's because the economy isn't delivering real opportunities. People aren’t just sitting around being lazy; they've been given too much in the way of freebies, which might reduce the drive to work, but it's more about policy failures.

[Fiatless]

with the cost of operating in the UK and the “high cost bases” of a high street presence, such as rents, as well as with the UK’s ring fencing regime.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/santander-uk-exit-concern-b1206041.html
You are correct that Santander Bank is considering leaving the UK because of low profit. But it was basically because of high running cost and stringent government policies not lack of workers. The England branch of the bank is now making profits as expected. The Spanish branch was making more money, so the owners were rumored to be considering leaving the market. It has nothing to do with the laziness of British workers. Many immigrants are willing to work in the UK. The UK economy is stronger than many European countries and it seems to be in the good books of Donald Trump.

[Spaceman1000$]

News taking about UK have no growth high unemployement ofc high crime rate too.
Why UK people don't want to work ? What's the problem are they lazy? Economic experts talking a lot now that uk has no growth they need to see growth.
If no growth that's not good for bankers profits, santander bank allready talking to move out of UK.
Also UK defeciet higher then exports....so what's the situation? Are people getting just too much free money in UK so they don't bother working ?
My idea will be If goverment will make jobs and housing paid by goverment so unemployed people to send work in goverment factories and jobs.
But people who live in London they see no Any economic slow down cars are nice and london construction booming and real estate market still expensive, it seems like London is different story then the rest of the UK look like London people working harder then the rest of the UK population, because London economy booming.

If the UK is complaining of no growth, we need to see empirical evidence to show how statistically they've dropped from so and so year, to so and so year. If there has been no growth, is it in terms of productivity from industries and firms, or the growth rate is on the part of the citizens unwilling to work due to grands they enjoy from government, because the thing is that, if people are not working government obviously won't be generating enough revenue to sustain the system not to talk of paying citizens that are idle. So for me, I think we need to see empirical evidence of how the UK has been growing over the years and how that growth has stunted lately according to your analysis. London is the Heart of UK and if they are still doing well based on your assertion then, there is still much hope at the end of the dark tunnel.

[franky1]

lets clarify things, as things to think about

If the UK is complaining of no growth, we need to see empirical evidence to show how statistically they've dropped from so and so year, to so and so year. If there has been no growth, is it in terms of productivity from industries and firms, or the growth rate is on the part of the citizens unwilling to work due to grands they enjoy from government,

a business can grow by having less employee's. for instance by mcdonalds moving from walk-in face to face with staffed service, to a model of drive-thru AI assisted order taking.. mcdonalds can actually make more profit due to less expense and then use that profit nationally to add more restaurants in the country(add more real estate assets to portfolio and multiply profit model)

yep reducing expenses can lead to more profits which can lead to expanding production amounts which leads to growth in a society of less employment

just look at farming for instance, 1900's era farming done by hand only allowed a farming family(one entity) to be able to own just a small patch of land and need the whole family and friends to help out..(limiting education and future prospects of working away from the family farm)
modern farming however, as one entity can own more land, doing more production with less people managing the land, allowing the kids to go school, learn new skills and seek employment in other industries (or be lazy) without the need to farm with the family

because the thing is that, if people are not working government obviously won't be generating enough revenue to sustain the system not to talk of paying citizens that are idle.

uk unemployment benefit is £90 a week (£4.68k/yr) so with 60m working age people in UK and 4% are unemployed(2.4m) means the unemployed budget is only $11.2b
the UK treasury has a revenue of £1trillion. which if they just kept hold of 2023 budget to spend in 2024-25 year, and hold it in an account offering just 1.2% interest, the interest alone would fund the unemployment costs

infact the UKGI separately manages £1.3trillion of government assets in its portfolio and it generated £33b in last fiscal year

So for me, I think we need to see empirical evidence of how the UK has been growing over the years and how that growth has stunted lately according to your analysis. London is the Heart of UK and if they are still doing well based on your assertion then, there is still much hope at the end of the dark tunnel.

the evidence is just looking at the highstreet and seeing all the vacant/boarded up store fronts. where by local, national and international businesses are no longer interested in serving the uk populous. which then doesnt excite the economy to grow

less stores to sell goods, less goods sold, less goods produced, less employment creating goods
yes london SEEN a unnatural bubble of property growth, but thats the fake finance game of the property market, unnaturally held up by making weird policies to deny new property builds, new policies of "15 minute cities" to make fake(pricing) demand for properties due to lack of real growth of new housing(physical asset number count)

now heres the hypocrisy
when we all believe our taxes should fund us when we are in need(like an insurance). EG when we become sick or disabled or made unemployed due to multiple issues.. or have a safety incident like needing health fire or police assistance..  it seems private society wants to point fingers at governments £11b spending of the unemployed as a unnecessary spend of our taxes.. yet we dont question the government giving £111b to banks

yep we pay banks 10x more then we pay our poorest populous

its like the meme/analogy

a group of 100 citizens(4 are unemployed), sit next to a bunch of businessmen, politicians, bankers at a tea and biscuit party.. the waitress puts 100 biscuits on the table. everyone reaches in
the banker takes 11 biscuits, 7 biscuits are taken out to be put aside for future investments, and others take theirs..

the plate is empty. everyone looks around and sees 4 unemployed people all sharing 1 biscuit(0.25 biscuits each)

the businessmen and politicians and bankers all whisper to each other and then tell the 96 employed citizens that the biscuits are gone and they should look at and blame the 4 unemployed people sharing the single biscuit as the cause

[Spaceman1000$]

lets clarify things, as things to think about

If the UK is complaining of no growth, we need to see empirical evidence to show how statistically they've dropped from so and so year, to so and so year. If there has been no growth, is it in terms of productivity from industries and firms, or the growth rate is on the part of the citizens unwilling to work due to grands they enjoy from government,

a business can grow by having less employee's. for instance by mcdonalds moving from walk-in face to face with staffed service, to a model of drive-thru AI assisted order taking.. mcdonalds can actually make more profit due to less expense and then use that profit nationally to add more restaurants in the country(add more real estate assets to portfolio and multiply profit model)

yep reducing expenses can lead to more profits which can lead to expanding production amounts which leads to growth in a society of less employment

just look at farming for instance, 1900's era farming done by hand only allowed a farming family(one entity) to be able to own just a small patch of land and need the whole family and friends to help out..(limiting education and future prospects of working away from the family farm)
modern farming however, as one entity can own more land, doing more production with less people managing the land, allowing the kids to go school, learn new skills and seek employment in other industries (or be lazy) without the need to farm with the family

because the thing is that, if people are not working government obviously won't be generating enough revenue to sustain the system not to talk of paying citizens that are idle.

uk unemployment benefit is £90 a week (£4.68k/yr) so with 60m working age people in UK and 4% are unemployed(2.4m) means the unemployed budget is only $11.2b
the UK treasury has a revenue of £1trillion. which if they just kept hold of 2023 budget to spend in 2024-25 year, and hold it in an account offering just 1.2% interest, the interest alone would fund the unemployment costs

infact the UKGI separately manages £1.3trillion of government assets in its portfolio and it generated £33b in last fiscal year

So for me, I think we need to see empirical evidence of how the UK has been growing over the years and how that growth has stunted lately according to your analysis. London is the Heart of UK and if they are still doing well based on your assertion then, there is still much hope at the end of the dark tunnel.

the evidence is just looking at the highstreet and seeing all the vacant/boarded up store fronts. where by local, national and international businesses are no longer interested in serving the uk populous. which then doesnt excite the economy to grow

less stores to sell goods, less goods sold, less goods produced, less employment creating goods
yes london SEEN a unnatural bubble of property growth, but thats the fake finance game of the property market, unnaturally held up by making weird policies to deny new property builds, new policies of "15 minute cities" to make fake(pricing) demand for properties due to lack of real growth of new housing(physical asset number count)

now heres the hypocrisy
when we all believe our taxes should fund us when we are in need(like an insurance). EG when we become sick or disabled or made unemployed due to multiple issues.. or have a safety incident like needing health fire or police assistance..  it seems private society wants to point fingers at governments £11b spending of the unemployed as a unnecessary spend of our taxes.. yet we dont question the government giving £111b to banks

yep we pay banks 10x more then we pay our poorest populous

its like the meme/analogy

a group of 100 citizens(4 are unemployed), sit next to a bunch of businessmen, politicians, bankers at a tea and biscuit party.. the waitress puts 100 biscuits on the table. everyone reaches in
the banker takes 11 biscuits, 7 biscuits are taken out to be put aside for future investments, and others take theirs..

the plate is empty. everyone looks around and sees 4 unemployed people all sharing 1 biscuit(0.25 biscuits each)

the businessmen and politicians and bankers all whisper to each other and then tell the 96 employed citizens that the biscuits are gone and they should look at and blame the 4 unemployed people sharing the single biscuit as the cause

Your analysis are in-depth and that was what i was expecting from the the OP, so we can understand the dynamics of the narrative he is trying to portray. However if the UK government has a Treasury revenue of £1 Trillion, it then means servicing an unemployed burden of £11.2 billion wouldn't be a big deal for them, which doesn't support the OPs narrative of stunted growth, because with Such kind of massive capital base, the complain on economic instability should be minimized as the reality is far from that.


You also talked about vacant/boarded up stores front, and you Also mentioned local and international Businesses are no longer interested in servicing the UK populous, for which doesn't stimulate growth, however this i cannot ascertain this information, because I don't stay in the UK, so we would need verified information to come into conclusion on that, because there are lots of investors who would gladly want to take their investment to the UK, and I also believe they're are lots of availability of persons who are still job seekers that would want to fill in those vacant positions. For an economy that has Such capital base, trust me, investors won't think twice to make investment hence the opportunity is there.
 Lastly I enjoyed your assertion on the hypocrisy part.
Truth is that, it is more like a political underplay, where the system is always manipulated for the benefit of just the microscopic few, this sort of thing is not only happening in the UK, some of us in our countries are witnessing it first hand, some times they don't even hide the biasness and manipulation from you, they actually do in front of you.

[Squaremile777]

lets clarify things, as things to think about

If the UK is complaining of no growth, we need to see empirical evidence to show how statistically they've dropped from so and so year, to so and so year. If there has been no growth, is it in terms of productivity from industries and firms, or the growth rate is on the part of the citizens unwilling to work due to grands they enjoy from government,

a business can grow by having less employee's. for instance by mcdonalds moving from walk-in face to face with staffed service, to a model of drive-thru AI assisted order taking.. mcdonalds can actually make more profit due to less expense and then use that profit nationally to add more restaurants in the country(add more real estate assets to portfolio and multiply profit model)

yep reducing expenses can lead to more profits which can lead to expanding production amounts which leads to growth in a society of less employment

just look at farming for instance, 1900's era farming done by hand only allowed a farming family(one entity) to be able to own just a small patch of land and need the whole family and friends to help out..(limiting education and future prospects of working away from the family farm)
modern farming however, as one entity can own more land, doing more production with less people managing the land, allowing the kids to go school, learn new skills and seek employment in other industries (or be lazy) without the need to farm with the family

because the thing is that, if people are not working government obviously won't be generating enough revenue to sustain the system not to talk of paying citizens that are idle.

uk unemployment benefit is £90 a week (£4.68k/yr) so with 60m working age people in UK and 4% are unemployed(2.4m) means the unemployed budget is only $11.2b
the UK treasury has a revenue of £1trillion. which if they just kept hold of 2023 budget to spend in 2024-25 year, and hold it in an account offering just 1.2% interest, the interest alone would fund the unemployment costs

infact the UKGI separately manages £1.3trillion of government assets in its portfolio and it generated £33b in last fiscal year

So for me, I think we need to see empirical evidence of how the UK has been growing over the years and how that growth has stunted lately according to your analysis. London is the Heart of UK and if they are still doing well based on your assertion then, there is still much hope at the end of the dark tunnel.

the evidence is just looking at the highstreet and seeing all the vacant/boarded up store fronts. where by local, national and international businesses are no longer interested in serving the uk populous. which then doesnt excite the economy to grow

less stores to sell goods, less goods sold, less goods produced, less employment creating goods
yes london SEEN a unnatural bubble of property growth, but thats the fake finance game of the property market, unnaturally held up by making weird policies to deny new property builds, new policies of "15 minute cities" to make fake(pricing) demand for properties due to lack of real growth of new housing(physical asset number count)

now heres the hypocrisy
when we all believe our taxes should fund us when we are in need(like an insurance). EG when we become sick or disabled or made unemployed due to multiple issues.. or have a safety incident like needing health fire or police assistance..  it seems private society wants to point fingers at governments £11b spending of the unemployed as a unnecessary spend of our taxes.. yet we dont question the government giving £111b to banks

yep we pay banks 10x more then we pay our poorest populous

its like the meme/analogy

a group of 100 citizens(4 are unemployed), sit next to a bunch of businessmen, politicians, bankers at a tea and biscuit party.. the waitress puts 100 biscuits on the table. everyone reaches in
the banker takes 11 biscuits, 7 biscuits are taken out to be put aside for future investments, and others take theirs..

the plate is empty. everyone looks around and sees 4 unemployed people all sharing 1 biscuit(0.25 biscuits each)

the businessmen and politicians and bankers all whisper to each other and then tell the 96 employed citizens that the biscuits are gone and they should look at and blame the 4 unemployed people sharing the single biscuit as the cause

Your analysis are in-depth and that was what i was expecting from the the OP, so we can understand the dynamics of the narrative he is trying to portray. However if the UK government has a Treasury revenue of £1 Trillion, it then means servicing an unemployed burden of £11.2 billion wouldn't be a big deal for them, which doesn't support the OPs narrative of stunted growth, because with Such kind of massive capital base, the complain on economic instability should be minimized as the reality is far from that.


You also talked about vacant/boarded up stores front, and you Also mentioned local and international Businesses are no longer interested in servicing the UK populous, for which doesn't stimulate growth, however this i cannot ascertain this information, because I don't stay in the UK, so we would need verified information to come into conclusion on that, because there are lots of investors who would gladly want to take their investment to the UK, and I also believe they're are lots of availability of persons who are still job seekers that would want to fill in those vacant positions. For an economy that has Such capital base, trust me, investors won't think twice to make investment hence the opportunity is there.
 Lastly I enjoyed your assertion on the hypocrisy part.
Truth is that, it is more like a political underplay, where the system is always manipulated for the benefit of just the microscopic few, this sort of thing is not only happening in the UK, some of us in our countries are witnessing it first hand, some times they don't even hide the biasness and manipulation from you, they actually do in front of you.

Its called old money when those who got better background better social status and better social circle with better options better connections will have it all even If they not smart or skilled,while those who are smart or skilled can be struggling to find even work.
It's called OLD MONEY system wich still rules in UK

[franky1]

it is worth noting that the UK is a small island, so most international businesses want to aim for countries with larger populous. EG indian/asian businesses expanding into america rather than the UK (go big or go home)
take boba(bubble) tea.. it went from taiwan to america first in the 1990s and expanded through the millennium, the UK didnt get to taste boba tea until 2011

also worth noting
"safeway" is an american brand of supermarket, it expanded into the UK in the 1960's and survived until 2005 in the uk, now 0 stores.. but still exists in america with over 900 locations in the US

You also talked about vacant/boarded up stores front, and you Also mentioned local and international Businesses are no longer interested in servicing the UK populous, for which doesn't stimulate growth,

however this i cannot ascertain this information, because I don't stay in the UK, so we would need verified information to come into conclusion on that,

many websites do retail listings for renting/leasing/buying for towns. so you can see if towns have any/many vacant stores.
theres also things like
https://www.localdatacompany.com/blog/high-streets-a-decade-in-review
first image: last decade 12.5%->13.9% vacant property
second image: observations such as:
      fashion was 4th most popular stable business last decade, it dropped to 6th place recently
      banks were 8th, then went to 12th
      charity/thrift shops went 12th to 10th

because there are lots of investors who would gladly want to take their investment to the UK, and I also believe they're are lots of availability of persons who are still job seekers that would want to fill in those vacant positions. For an economy that has Such capital base, trust me, investors won't think twice to make investment hence the opportunity is there.

anyway, here is the chicken vs egg problem

when businesses close due to multitude of reasons, retail stores become vacant.. other businesses look at the analytics of visitor numbers and footfall numbers of a town center and if a town does not see enough people visiting the center of town shopping area, a business will not want to lease space and set up shop in that area and usually pick a more popular town to invest in(go big or go home)  EG sleepy retirement village vs bustling tourist town

some then say its due to(egg chicken) or requires(chicken egg)... more housing so that more people live near the center to then shop in the center. however if there are no large job opportunities in the area people wont want to move to the area.. and so some say its due to or requires more retail stores open in the town center to inspire housing development to get the populous to grow(people dont want to move to towns with nothing to do for work or pleasure)

[Queentoshi]

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The situation in the UK is really complicated. It's not like people are lazy per say IMO, just that there are lots of factors at play here. High unemployment and no growth can stem from issues like mismatched skills, the impact of Brexit, with some changes in the job market since after the Covid-19 pandemic. Many people are still struggling to find suitable jobs, but that doesn't mean they don't want to work.
As for the idea of the government creating jobs and housing, it could help reduce unemployment, but it would need careful planning and investment. London seems to have a different economy altogether, with construction booming and high real estate prices. This creates a perception that people in London are working harder, but it's more about the opportunities available there compared to other parts of the UK.
The truth is every region have their own challenges that they are facing.