[Suggestion/Idea] "AI Spammer" Title For Users Making Obvious AI-generated Posts

[Alone055]

Hi everyone.

So, I was casually surfing around in the other forum (Altcoinstalks) today, and I stumbled upon their forum rules, and one of the rules caught my attention:



I have previously suggested that we should have a rule against obvious AI-generated content posters, but most people thought that the rule for plagiarism covers this, even though I disagree, but anyways.

The activity in the AI Spam Report Reference Thread shows that the use of AI in the forum is gradually increasing. I know that most of these users who are found posting AI content are neutral tagged, but there should be something more to it, something that should be visible for everyone in every section of the forum wherever such users post because trust isn't visible everywhere.

So, would it be a bad idea to introduce a badge or title called "AI Spammer" given to users who are found posting apparent AI-generated content, like this guy?

Moderators should be allowed to give this badge/title to detected and tagged users only if the mods think the evidence is enough and it's an obvious case. It can be removed if the user improves over time and requests to get the badge/title removed.

Let me know what you guys think.

[Mia Chloe]

Let me know what you guys think.

Yeah I do get where you concept is coming from but still there is something very interesting you need to understand and that's the fact that both Bitcointalk and Altcoins talks are totally different and  distinct forums and it isn't really nice to want to try making them adopt some things that make them different from each other.

Basically Bitcointalk is a very simple forum with just around 7 ranks ranging from newbie to administrator compared to Altcoins talks that has numerous ranks. The whole stuff is quite similar to how most teleported members wanted the karma system over there like the merit system here but it didn't seem to cut it.

Nevertheless I bet Loyce V will add your suggestion to the next April fools event 

[Ultegra134]

On the one hand, I'd like to say yes, but I'm not quite sure how to feel about this. As someone who has reported more than 500 posts for AI, and tens, if not hundreds of users in the AI Spammer Thread, I've come to conclusion that the majority of reports concern newer accounts, from Newbie to Member, in an attempt to fit in the forum and appear knowledgeable. Perhaps they've read that there's money to be made on the forum and this is the way they're attempting "unsuccessfully" to rank up in order to enter signature campaigns, or perhaps they have nothing better to do in their day, who knows?

Certainly, there were cases of reputable users using AI, even Legendary accounts, but that's not as common, which is the main reason I'll have to stay neutral with your suggestion. From how I see things, I'd suggest to make trust visible in all sections of the forum, thus, we'll be able to ignore these users easier. Moreover, as I also mentioned earlier, most AI users are new accounts, and more often than not, these accounts end up getting banned when we successfully report them, thus, it's no use to place a large "AI Spammer" tag next to their name.

[Odusko]

The thing is that we should stop misunderstanding the rules covering AI content in this Forum to be the same as that of plagiarism, because those accounts that use AI-generated text to post in the forum are only tagged as you said but their account remain active with no other punishment, unlike plagiarism where the punishment is outright banned from the forum, so yeah if we say we should overlook the rules with AI usage why overlooking the punishment, a lot of accounts are beginning to adopt the use of AI to post here in the forum even senior members accounts who supposed to know better, I think a lot need to be done to tackle the spread of AI content in this forum.

[uchegod-21]

Moderators should be allowed to give this badge/title to detected and tagged users only if the mods think the evidence is enough and it's an obvious case. It can be removed if the user improves over time and requests to get the badge/title removed.

Let me know what you guys think.

If someone that obviously plagerized and got banned could be given the opportunity to create a ban appeal, it means another who got a AI strike or badge will be given the opportunity to appeal. What will happen is that the meta board will be filled with AI this and that shit of appeal. Besides, there's yet to be a dependent tool for determining an AI generated text. So, it is fine that you wait till forum makes a rule about AI usage.

[Alone055]

Yeah I do get where you concept is coming from but still there is something very interesting you need to understand and that's the fact that both Bitcointalk and Altcoins talks are totally different and  distinct forums and it isn't really nice to want to try making them adopt some things that make them different from each other.

I know that both forums are different, but I just felt that something like this might be useful to make AI content posters more visible and possibly easier to ignore. Adding a similar rule or feature wouldn't make the forums the same. Bitcointalk will still be the best out there, no doubt.

Certainly, there were cases of reputable users using AI, even Legendary accounts, but that's not as common, which is the main reason I'll have to stay neutral with your suggestion. From how I see things, I'd suggest to make trust visible in all sections of the forum, thus, we'll be able to ignore these users easier. Moreover, as I also mentioned earlier, most AI users are new accounts, and more often than not, these accounts end up getting banned when we successfully report them, thus, it's no use to place a large "AI Spammer" tag next to their name.

I also thought about the fact that most users who are reported for AI usage in their posts are new users, but the fact that the reports for such posts barely get the users banned or severely punished, so there has to be a way to make them more visible. Displaying trust in every section could work as well, but since trust is usually supposed to be an indicator that a user isn't trustworthy or has a bad reputation, this would serve a bit differently than that because a user posting AI-generated content generally has nothing to do with them being trusted or not, but they are just doing a different wrong thing.

[Sanitough]

I think the Nutildah's thread where we report AI-generated posts is enough. AI-generated posts only hurt the forum if too many people start using them. Since the users involved in signature campaigns are the ones posting regularly, it's necessary for the manager to keep an eye on everyone to prevent spam,  it's a way of caring the community. Because , even if someone has a badge, if they're not in a campaign, they might not mind it. But if a user wants to join a campaign and the manager already knows they're an AI spammer, that user should be blacklisted already.

[CryptoHeadlineNews]

I also thought about the fact that most users who are reported for AI usage in their posts are new users, but the fact that the reports for such posts barely get the users banned or severely punished, so there has to be a way to make them more visible. Displaying trust in every section could work as well, but since trust is usually supposed to be an indicator that a user isn't trustworthy or has a bad reputation, this would serve a bit differently than that because a user posting AI-generated content generally has nothing to do with them being trusted or not, but they are just doing a different wrong thing.

So if I may ask, of what use will an AI user or it's generated content be to the forum? Because I literally don't see any need why such people should or deserves to be made visible in the forum in the first place, because I think the best thing that ought to be done whenever an alledge user is found guilty of using A.I is to immediately ban them from the forum and achirve whatever A.I generated post in the past they must have made.

Hence, we all know the use of A.I is an offense, and as such, allocating a custom feature on their respective accounts will rather make the forum looks unprofessional, just it is now.

[Zoomic]

The bitcointalk forum is a forum for humans to discuss and not a forum for humans to interact with AI. I personally do not see any reason why AI generated posts are not treated the thesame way we treat plagiarised contents, both are not original ideas from the poster. 

I think I agree with the op. We know the reason these AI spammers run to AI all the time is so they can come up with catchy posts, earn merits faster, rank up quickly and start earning. If defaulters get visible AI spammer badge on their profile, campaign managers will avoid them and there would be no room for growth till the badge is removed. This would cause others to be original too and the forum would be clean.

[Joel_Jantsen]

No Title needed in my opinion. They should just be banned/temp banned for plagiarism. Spam coming from an AI or without AI is considered spam regardless. In the case of signature campaigns and other paid activities, I will leave it to the respective campaign managers to handle it individually. If I was a campaign manager, and there was a member in my campaign who had great thoughts on a subject but couldn't put it together due to language/communication issues, I would be ok with AI summarising their thoughts. Writing good posts isn't just about adding vague content to pre-existing blobs of text rather a different perspective on a subject. AI is not so good at that (yet). For instance, check out previous posts by Danny Hamilton or Gmaxwell, you will know what AI isn't capable of.

[nakamura12]

This is not a bad idea at all but it's not necessary to make Bitcointalk forum the same as other forum. We can try using different method to determine the users that uses AI or just the same as what you have mentioned about badge. If it didn't really help much then I am with other forum for making those AI spammer perm ban or temp ban based on how many times using it or how many times getting temp ban.

[lovesmayfamilis]

OP, there were many suggestions about reporter badges. But until now, it seems difficult for the forum. Now, you suggest "reward" AI spammers with such badges. In my opinion, for such worthless and lazy posters, too much attention and a great honor to do something for them . There are tags that DT leaves for such posters. Sometimes moderators destroy the accounts of too impudent AI newbies. Therefore, for someone interested in a particular account that arouses interest with its posts, it will not take much time to go to its account and see the trust; it's simple.

[ABCbits]

Looking at some recent thread on Meta, it seems AI is "hot" topic again.

So, would it be a bad idea to introduce a badge or title called "AI Spammer" given to users who are found posting apparent AI-generated content, like this guy?

IMO if moderator or someone else actually wants to spend their time to do that, i would rather see them press "Ban" or "Nuke" button to such user.

[LoyceV]

So, would it be a bad idea to introduce a badge or title called "AI Spammer"

Since the forum doesn't show non-Mods which users are banned, I don't expect spammer tags to be implemented.
How about we just ban spammers?

[Alone055]

OP, there were many suggestions about reporter badges. But until now, it seems difficult for the forum. Now, you suggest "reward" AI spammers with such badges. In my opinion, for such worthless and lazy posters, too much attention and a great honor to do something for them . There are tags that DT leaves for such posters. Sometimes moderators destroy the accounts of too impudent AI newbies. Therefore, for someone interested in a particular account that arouses interest with its posts, it will not take much time to go to its account and see the trust; it's simple.

I know, it's somehow like giving them a bit more attention, but it's more like exposing them and their tactics to the community in a more visible way that would be seen all around the forum.

They should just be banned/temp banned for plagiarism.

IMO if moderator or someone else actually wants to spend their time to do that, i would rather see them press "Ban" or "Nuke" button to such user.

How about we just ban spammers?

I agree, and that is the reason why I earlier suggested the same in one of my previous threads on the same topic:

Anyone reported to moderators for breaking the rule should get a temporary ban initially, and if they don't stop, the second report should get them permanently banned. Alternatively, maybe there can be some other restriction that can be imposed for breaking this rule.

But we don't see such a thing getting implemented. I mean, we barely see mods banning users for making AI-generated posts even if it's obvious. So, I thought if not a ban, at least something should be done so that they don't roam free.

[Lucius]

So, would it be a bad idea to introduce a badge or title called "AI Spammer"

Since the forum doesn't show non-Mods which users are banned, I don't expect spammer tags to be implemented.
How about we just ban spammers?

Obviously, the OP is talking about the idea of ​​a second chance, which starts with the fact that people who use AI first get some kind of badge that would tag them, and such a system exists on that other forum, with the addition that each tagged user can pay a certain amount to have that badge removed.

Considering that this forum gives multiple chances to AI spammers before banning them (I had a case where I reported about 40 such posts over a long period of time before the user was permanently banned), I think that any badge makes no sense.

[dkbit98]

So, would it be a bad idea to introduce a badge or title called "AI Spammer" given to users who are found posting apparent AI-generated content, like this guy?

This is a waste of time in my opinion, and members in Bitcointalk forum can easily get banned for doing any kind of AI generated posts, unlike in other forums.
Chances are higher if multiple posts from AI spammers get reported by other members, than moderators can delete those posts or ban members.
Only ''title'' they can get is banned.

[Excimer]

All AI-posters should be banned

[FinneysTrueVision]

But we don't see such a thing getting implemented. I mean, we barely see mods banning users for making AI-generated posts even if it's obvious. So, I thought if not a ban, at least something should be done so that they don't roam free.

Neutral and negative tags already work fine. The spammers that are bad enough to get tagged end up getting removed from campaigns eventually or they are never hired to begin with. I agree that more should be done by moderators though, but it shouldn’t be just add a new label to their profile. They should instead be temporarily or permanently banned, that is the best deterrent against spammers.

Whatever method we come up with doesn’t fully solve the problem. Humanizers are becoming an increasingly bigger problem. I believe post quality should play a bigger factor when managers decide who to accept into campaigns. It seems that anybody that can do the bare minimum to write a few passably human posts in the gambling discussion boards will have no problem getting hired regardless if they never earn merits and are just shitposting their way through each week.

[Alone055]

Obviously, the OP is talking about the idea of ​​a second chance, which starts with the fact that people who use AI first get some kind of badge that would tag them, and such a system exists on that other forum, with the addition that each tagged user can pay a certain amount to have that badge removed.

Considering that this forum gives multiple chances to AI spammers before banning them (I had a case where I reported about 40 such posts over a long period of time before the user was permanently banned), I think that any badge makes no sense.

The case you've mentioned is exactly why I'm suggesting this because most of the time, when we report posts for being AI-generated, the posts get removed, but the users roam around with no repercussions for their actions. So, if mods give them so many chances, give them a badge, which should at least mark them as AI spammers until a point reaches where they get banned.

This is a waste of time in my opinion, and members in Bitcointalk forum can easily get banned for doing any kind of AI generated posts, unlike in other forums.
Chances are higher if multiple posts from AI spammers get reported by other members, than moderators can delete those posts or ban members.
Only ''title'' they can get is banned.

If banning of AI-generated posters become more common, such a thing wouldn't be necessary, of course.

Whatever method we come up with doesn’t fully solve the problem. Humanizers are becoming an increasingly bigger problem. I believe post quality should play a bigger factor when managers decide who to accept into campaigns. It seems that anybody that can do the bare minimum to write a few passably human posts in the gambling discussion boards will have no problem getting hired regardless if they never earn merits and are just shitposting their way through each week.

Even though I didn't mention it in the OP, a badge/title would make it easier for managers to identify AI spammers, it will save them some time because then they wouldn't have to go through their profiles, their trust pages, and whatnot, only to find out what they are guilty of.
And, if you are referring to signature campaigns here, I wouldn't agree because most signature campaign managers are pretty strict these days with their selections and making a few generic posts in sections such as the gambling discussion doesn't get you hired anymore. Bounty campaigns are a different thing, though.