https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5244746.340 cash grab

[Seronas]

Hello everyone,

While my experience was ok for the last 2 years, today it turned out pretty bad. Due to the personal circumstances (birth of my son and also losing access to the TG), I contacted vendor today, which is 10-11 days later for renewal. He replied that it's not possible (which i though is fine, I will just order a new one). The problem, I had a balance of around 300-400 eur and he told me that he will keep it. Not a very nice thing to do, especially to a returning customer. There is nothing in his terms that say he can do that. So beware, one day if you have a juicy balance, something might happen. I feel this is just a cash grab. Can mods help please?

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[acroman08]

any chance you can post your evidence like screenshots of the conversation that you've had with the user especially the part where they said "he told me that he will keep it."?

Can mods help please?

unless the guy you are accusing broke any rules the mods cannot help you. if you want the guy to get negative feedback provide sufficient evidence that proves what you are accusing him of.

[DPHOR]

One thing you must know is that scam isn't moderated here, meaning if you are scammed you are on your own and I must say that none can reversed the missing funds. Again you didn't used the proper scam reporting method to report scam including some screenshots of what you guys had before to show it's evidential as @acroman08 already said. If truly that user is confirmed to be scammers they forum members can only give tags to that profile but that doesn't justify he would return back your missing funds.

[Dijital Para]

Let me put a word in.
I have become a pcs.network client back in 2020, and I posted a detailed review at the beginning.
During the last five years AlexPCS has sold me a dozen of bank cards and accounts becoming a key node for resolving my money flow tasks where I need to preserve privacy and anonymity.
OP did not make his renewal payment as agreed and did not provide his new Telegram username to the PCS administrator.
I would say that OP must blame only himself for not communicating with PCS Admin and not paying the service in time.

You said that the service worked perfect for you for two years and I believe it 100%.
But blaming the service for you inattention is absolutely incorrect.

[JeromeTash]

When making a scam accusation, at least gather all the evidence and include it in the scam accusation thread. You have made claims, but then the other party also says that they even tried to refund you, and you refused it. Doesn't this seem like you are the one to blame in this case?

This was their response in the other thread.

We have offered you a refund, if you were not satisfied with our service. You have refused this refund option and confirmed that you wish to proceed using the service as is.

You have ignored the timely reminder regarding the package expiration and have proceeded using the service without actually paying for it. So I guess we have to submit a scam accusation thread as well?

We do not have control over what the nominee does with the account after it has expired.

[Dijital Para]

This individual looks to be rather aggressive and considers everyone around owing him something.
As I have already told - feel happy that Alex has not banned you yet and order a new card.

[Seronas]

This individual looks to be rather aggressive and considers everyone around owing him something.
As I have already told - feel happy that Alex has not banned you yet and order a new card.

How are you connected with @AlexPCS? Why are you posting here? Another account of him?

any chance you can post your evidence like screenshots of the conversation that you've had with the user especially the part where they said "he told me that he will keep it."?

Can mods help please?

unless the guy you are accusing broke any rules the mods cannot help you. if you want the guy to get negative feedback provide sufficient evidence that proves what you are accusing him of.

1. He is not denying that even if there is a balance left, he can keep it

2. The rules of the service he is referring to are vague: *Service rules:
" normal operation of the card/account is guaranteed within the paid period (1 year)"

I have TG chat screenshots, will upload if needed

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[PX-Z]

I have TG chat screenshots, will upload if needed

Include them here, upload those images on talkimg.com and post the direct links here, or just edit the OP and include the images there.

These screenshots are one of your proof that you just don't accuse anyone out of thin air, so please do so.

Also, for what you've said, if the vendor's replies is based on the terms which you agreed on the first place, i guess that's how it is, else it will be a breach of contract.

[Seronas]

I have TG chat screenshots, will upload if needed

Include them here, upload those images on talkimg.com and post the direct links here, or just edit the OP and include the images there.

These screenshots are one of your proof that you just don't accuse anyone out of thin air, so please do so.

Also, for what you've said, if the vendor's replies is based on the terms which you agreed on the first place, i guess that's how it is, else it will be a breach of contract.

I appreciate your reply, will upload images. My view on this that T&C are vague and vendor i taking advantage of it. Additionally, I was a customer for 2 years and reached out to renew the package.

[Pmalek]

My two cents.
First of all, congratulations on the birth of your son.

If you change any personal information (in this case you lost access to your Telegram account), it's your responsibility to inform the people you do business with of the change. You can't expect other parties to go on a hunt to try and find you. You didn't inform Alex in time. He sent a message to you, telling you that the service is about to expire. He sent a second message when it did.

You can argue that the rules about what happens with the money after a card/account expires are vague. It doesn't mention that you will lose access to the money. It also doesn't say you will get anything back. Alex provides a guarantee that the service will work while the subscription is active. After your subscription expired, so did the guarantee.

You mentioned a few times that he took the money. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it's the nominee that gets control of the funds once subscriptions expire. That's what Alex said at least.

Since you have used the service in the past, he could have done better and made a deal with you and offered you something in return. I think that would have been a better choice. Still, I don't think this is enough to be considered a scam.

You paid for a service that worked while it was active and under guarantee. It stopped working after it expired. At that point, the service provider has no more obligations towards you. According to Alex, you even used it a bit after the expiration date. I am not sure how this is possible. 

Alex informed you that the service was about to expire. You did nothing. He informed you a second time when it expired and you only responded two weeks later. It's your responsibility to keep your accounts safe, and in case something happens, find a way to get in touch with the people who do business with you and need to contact you. You didn't do that.

[bvg96634]

My two cents.
First of all, congratulations on the birth of your son.

If you change any personal information (in this case you lost access to your Telegram account), it's your responsibility to inform the people you do business with of the change. You can't expect other parties to go on a hunt to try and find you. You didn't inform Alex in time. He sent a message to you, telling you that the service is about to expire. He sent a second message when it did.

You can argue that the rules about what happens with the money after a card/account expires are vague. It doesn't mention that you will lose access to the money. It also doesn't say you will get anything back. Alex provides a guarantee that the service will work while the subscription is active. After your subscription expired, so did the guarantee.

You mentioned a few times that he took the money. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it's the nominee that gets control of the funds once subscriptions expire. That's what Alex said at least.

Since you have used the service in the past, he could have done better and made a deal with you and offered you something in return. I think that would have been a better choice. Still, I don't think this is enough to be considered a scam.

You paid for a service that worked while it was active and under guarantee. It stopped working after it expired. At that point, the service provider has no more obligations towards you. According to Alex, you even used it a bit after the expiration date. I am not sure how this is possible. 

Alex informed you that the service was about to expire. You did nothing. He informed you a second time when it expired and you only responded two weeks later. It's your responsibility to keep your accounts safe, and in case something happens, find a way to get in touch with the people who do business with you and need to contact you. You didn't do that.

I agree with every word. You may read my story as well how Alex helped me recover my 2.7 BTC from Exodus/n.exchange SCAM.
So yes, we really need mods to ban this whiner. He is misinforming the community.

[Pmalek]

You may read my story as well how Alex helped me recover my 2.7 BTC from Exodus/n.exchange SCAM.

I don't know anything about Alex's history or what he did for you. Regardless of that, each case should be looked at independently. That's true with this one as well.

So yes, we really need mods to ban this whiner. He is misinforming the community.

The moderators aren't going to ban anyone for the simple reason that scams aren't moderated on Bitcointalk. You won't get banned for scamming someone or lying about being scammed. At best, the community agrees with your evidence and gives negative feedback to the guilty party or a flag is created and supported by DT members.

[Seronas]

I can hardly believe he does not reuse the mules or how he called them "nominee". We all understand this is considered money laundering in every country. He probably opens a dozen accounts on each one of them and reuse them. Out of interest, anyone has the account holder name starting with K and surname ending with Z? What he offers is a good service to slip under the radar, but this arrogance and taking advantage of the client will finish him. Just a fact - the card got blocked the next day I topped it up. I was lucky to have withdrawn most part the day before. Again, timing is perfect as it was empty for some time

My two cents.
First of all, congratulations on the birth of your son.

If you change any personal information (in this case you lost access to your Telegram account), it's your responsibility to inform the people you do business with of the change. You can't expect other parties to go on a hunt to try and find you. You didn't inform Alex in time. He sent a message to you, telling you that the service is about to expire. He sent a second message when it did.

You can argue that the rules about what happens with the money after a card/account expires are vague. It doesn't mention that you will lose access to the money. It also doesn't say you will get anything back. Alex provides a guarantee that the service will work while the subscription is active. After your subscription expired, so did the guarantee.

You mentioned a few times that he took the money. Someone correct me if I am wrong, but it's the nominee that gets control of the funds once subscriptions expire. That's what Alex said at least.

Since you have used the service in the past, he could have done better and made a deal with you and offered you something in return. I think that would have been a better choice. Still, I don't think this is enough to be considered a scam.

You paid for a service that worked while it was active and under guarantee. It stopped working after it expired. At that point, the service provider has no more obligations towards you. According to Alex, you even used it a bit after the expiration date. I am not sure how this is possible.  

Alex informed you that the service was about to expire. You did nothing. He informed you a second time when it expired and you only responded two weeks later. It's your responsibility to keep your accounts safe, and in case something happens, find a way to get in touch with the people who do business with you and need to contact you. You didn't do that.

[Pmalek]

I can hardly believe he does not reuse the mules or how he called them "nominee". We all understand this is considered money laundering in every country.

You can't use "money laundering" as an argument here. It would be as if you bought drugs and then complained how the seller is a drug dealer. Yes, he is and you used his services. You know very well what the purpose of those cards are and why they are registered in someone else's name and not yours. That's why you used them. So let's leave that aside.

I'll say it again: My personal opinion is that you won't be able to prove that you got scammed by this service. Had your money disappeared while still under warranty, it would have been a very different story.

[Seronas]

No complaints about the service I was getting. I'm just saying the way service is operating; the mules are definitely on the short leash and timing was spot on to grab my cash. Well, I probably must be happy to have withdrawn most part of the balance the day before. Last word of advice to Alex: be humble, value your clients.  For the potential clients: its all nice until you made a small mistake, this guy won't be on your side. I have been over 10 years in this field and I can feel the cash grab, this is definitely one.
BTW, can Alex confirm that my "nominee" has never been used before and will never be as a future "nominee" for another client?

[Pmalek]

BTW, can Alex confirm that my "nominee" has never been used before and will never be as a future "nominee" for another client?

He never posted in this thread. Did you inform him that you created a scam accusation against him and have you sent him a link and asked him to comment? Why does it matter if the nominee has ever been used before or if they will be used again in the future? I don't see any guarantees or rules in the service thread saying that the nominees are used only once and with only one client. I am sure that there isn't an unlimited number of nominees at his disposal.

[Seronas]

BTW, can Alex confirm that my "nominee" has never been used before and will never be as a future "nominee" for another client?

He never posted in this thread. Did you inform him that you created a scam accusation against him and have you sent him a link and asked him to comment? Why does it matter if the nominee has ever been used before or if they will be used again in the future? I don't see any guarantees or rules in the service thread saying that the nominees are used only once and with only one client. I am sure that there isn't an unlimited number of nominees at his disposal.

He confirmed that the nominee name can be used to open other accounts, so he has full control over him or his identity. It means the balance is taken by Alex, not some random dude. Can Alex do that?

[Pmalek]

He confirmed that the nominee name can be used to open other accounts, so he has full control over him or his identity. It means the balance is taken by Alex, not some random dude. Can Alex do that?

How did you make this connection? Where is the proof that he is stealing money or took your money after your agreement expired? From what I can see, Alex has confirmed that one nominee can be used for multiple people (this is irrelevant in itself) and since the account is theirs, they (the nominees) take control of whatever is left in the account after the service expires.

[Seronas]

Where is it stated that he can keep my money? I don't think he can do it