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March 02, 2025, 08:39:15 PM
Last edit: May 24, 2025, 02:22:07 AM by Kazkaz27
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Do Not Trust “Proof” Pictures!

Hello everyone!

I’ve created this video to highlight the fact that “proof” pictures can often be misleading. This video demonstrates how scammers can easily take images from various sources and make it appear as though they own a specific item.

(All the same video, choose your preferred Social media)

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18K5G4NdBb/?mibextid=wwXIfr
(Facebook)

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP82eYdFb/
(TikTok)

https://x.com/vip_bitcoins/status/1896526714852745366?s=46&t=hAiMBNn21XWFI7_bj3N4sA
(X)

As someone who enjoys editing, I've occasionally posted listings without the necessary “proof” images. I’ve used similar techniques to create “proof” pictures for items I was selling, which has helped me successfully sell thousands of dollars' worth of goods. While I would never deceive anyone, my intention in sharing this is to raise awareness and protect you from potential scams by untrustworthy sellers in the future.


(Sorry Dumbastronaut for using your photo as an example)










Stay vigilant and always verify before you buy!

Beware of “Proof” Pictures!



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March 03, 2025, 08:58:21 AM
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 Tried watching the video and I get

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March 03, 2025, 11:35:24 AM
Last edit: March 03, 2025, 11:59:22 AM by Kazkaz27
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Oh, I thought people could see it! Thank you! I'll fix the link asap.

YouTube blocked it due of music copyright.  Undecided

I'll provide 3 links. Choose your preferred Social Meida Platform.

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/18K5G4NdBb/?mibextid=wwXIfr
(Facebook)

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP82eYdFb/
(TikTok)

https://x.com/vip_bitcoins/status/1896526714852745366?s=46&t=hAiMBNn21XWFI7_bj3N4sA
(X)

Let me know if those work!🙌

(is there another way to share videos that I'm not aware of?)




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  It worked fine now and damn! Thanks for doing this.

  Good job making us aware and I gave you some merit that you so justly deserve....cheers!
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  It worked fine now and damn! Thanks for doing this.

  Good job making us aware and I gave you some merit that you so justly deserve....cheers!

Thank you, Krogoth 🫡

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March 03, 2025, 06:36:10 PM
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Damn, Its obvious now with sufficient photoshop skills or even with new editing software its
quite easy to edit existing images and claim ownership - thats dangerous - thanks for highlighting!

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I guess this probably been an issue for a while. I didn't watch the vid, but here's a good link for analyzing data in images:

(Not an exact science as you may find)...

https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=ce22309116042fc2a9c13bf6d8768b2e00bccdb1.140351

But.. if you look in the "Strings" section on the left, you see this - is this accurate, meaning you used PS? :



Nice one to keep us on all our toes - thanks! Smiley
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Regardless of the picture of an item, this is why it is a good idea to use escrow for transactions with unknown/questionable sellers

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Wow! Thanks for the PSA!
(glad to contribute in some way or another Smiley)

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Regardless of the picture of an item, this is why it is a good idea to use escrow for transactions with unknown/questionable sellers

True.  I've seen so many losses over the years when it comes to collectibles and trading.  I once witnessed a seller lose 20 BTC via a man in the middle scheme that they shouldn't have fallen for.  That's why you should be careful and always verify who you are talking to and that they are trustworthy.  When it comes to crypto, don't trust, verify.

There's even a guy that hangs out around here that will escrow your trades for you.

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March 03, 2025, 10:39:52 PM
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I guess this probably been an issue for a while. I didn't watch the vid, but here's a good link for analyzing data in images:

(Not an exact science as you may find)...

https://fotoforensics.com/analysis.php?id=ce22309116042fc2a9c13bf6d8768b2e00bccdb1.140351

But.. if you look in the "Strings" section on the left, you see this - is this accurate, meaning you used PS? :



Nice one to keep us on all our toes - thanks! Smiley

Yes, I did photoshop the image. That photo forensic analyzer seems accurate. That's a great tool🙌

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March 04, 2025, 12:10:54 AM
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Yeah....I'd say at this point with technology being as easy to use as it is, there's likely nothing on the internet that can be taken at face value (with certain exceptions).  Everything can be faked in terms of images--and very well, I might add--plus AI has made anything written on the 'net of questionable value.  Even on mainstream websites that are supposed to be reputable, it's hard to tell fact from fiction.  Damn good excuse for just ignoring it all, by the way.  Which I do 99.8% of the time.

I also appreciate this specific warning, OP.  Should've occurred to me that those proof-of-ownership type of pics can and would be faked.  I see them on ebay a lot but mostly have seen them right here on bitcointalk (and not usually in the context of anyone selling anything), so I never gave it much thought.  That'll teach me.

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 So this like the only way to do will be to pass via an Escrow !

As also live videos could be faked, I'm thinking to the same technologies that are used to do special effects (like in movies).. just some pieces of sheets could be shown as coins or whatever else! Shocked

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Nice work @Kazkaz27, very demonstrative example.

In today's world with AI tools and generally very easily accessible image manipulation tools to anyone, it becomes more and more important to have several ways of trust verification before doing any kind of business digitally.

Just today I learned about mass-scam-centers in Myanmar where tens-of-thousands of people are held hostage to conduct different sorts of cyper-crimes (mostly money fraud themed scams). It's scamming on an industrial-scale level which probably uses a lot of advanced technology. Rough times ahead, better be super-paranoid of potential scam-attempts than sorry.

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Looking at this fake.. would it help if you took the picture with the shadow of the coin on the paper. Definitely harder to fake
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Looking at this fake.. would it help if you took the picture with the shadow of the coin on the paper. Definitely harder to fake

It would be an added step, I can create and add shadows to images relatively easily. Although, a missing or odd shadow in an image would/should certainly raise suspicion if noticed. A 5 to 10-second video is much harder to fake. The longer the video, the harder I’d say it is to fake, (but not impossible) as it requires more work/skills. Additionally, there is usually a greater chance of a noticeable glitch or default in a faked video. As mentioned by other members throughout the post, escrow is a very strong deterrent against these type of scams (Likely the strongest). New members or members who are attempting to sell items which don't have an established trust rating should always be directed to escrow.

I appreciate the positive results received from the post. As well as the responses/suggestions from everyone here. I'm happy to bring some awareness upon the topic.

As I mentioned in the initial post, I've created these 'proof' pictures to sell thousands of dollars' worth of various items I've had, utilizing this technique. I've done it out of necessity more than anything, often forgetting the 'proof' photo and having to edit it in later. I'd say 99% of people overlook 'proof' photos. It takes me 60 seconds to create a fake, and it has never once failed me in pursuit of selling an item (maybe now it will).

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Just today I learned about mass-scam-centers in Myanmar where tens-of-thousands of people are held hostage to conduct different sorts of cyper-crimes (mostly money fraud themed scams). It's scamming on an industrial-scale level which probably uses a lot of advanced technology. Rough times ahead, better be super-paranoid of potential scam-attempts than sorry.

Yep, And what makes it different here is that those (SLAVES) are originally skilled and gradueted people who were just looking for work... and got kidnapped ! Shocked
They are maltreated and have no other choice than to do what they are asked, facing the risk to incur crueler punishments.. if they're not meeting the objectives assigned to them, or if they are too slow they are sold to other cartels even much crueler who ransom them without hosting to harm them to force their families to pay!   Embarrassed

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