USAID Cut/African Countries

[DrBeer]

No sources, no proof.
Just gossip and conspiracy theories.  

Post your proofs & sources.

First of all, you have not given a description and evidence of what the USA demands ?
Secondly - you have not answered any of the questions, but once again made an “accusation”.
Let's have a proper dialog, shall we? If you just want to print some slogans and not give any arguments in their favor - you can say so, I will not ask questions that you are not comfortable answering .

I don't have to print slogans. They're politicians they aren't telling in public the deal's they're after they're negotiating away from the public eyes. Trump isn't giving South Africa essential funds other presidents gave. If countries don't give what Trump wants he won't give funds.

Pretty much the expected response when you have no arguments but really want to share gossip
Okay, I see no point in further dialog, because this is not a dialog, but a constant repetition of the mantra “the US are evil villains”

And for the finale of our dialog - a question, I will be grateful for an answer, but please not about the USA and “they don't give but used to give”
You give everyone money for nothing, without asking for anything in return. For example, you came to the store, gave money to the cashier and went without taking products. Or at the gas station - threw the money to the gas station attendant and left without refueling?
How often do you have such cases in your life?  Daily, a couple times a week, a couple times a month?  Honestly?

[Bushdark]

The us cutting off financial supports to a lot of sectors in Africa has merits and demerits. Africa is a large continent a d by now they should be able to do some certain things without relying on other countries for support, the advantage of this decision made by trump is to make sure African countries stand up to responsibilities. One demerit is the negative things that the this change can cause temporarily. Like the hiv/aids funding for example, without assistance from US there would be increase in death rate and those who have the virus might have a chance of spreading it due to the unavailability of ARVs. Even this is a good decision it's still has some negative impacts.

I think Africa another Asian countries need to stand up and stop depending on the United States for aids.
This could look interesting at the beginning but actually it does not make sense at all. How is it going to look like now that most African countries including Asian wouldnkit be able to afford drugs and some medical bills because of cut in prices for these countries.
Trump does not want all these that's why he had block the aids to most of these countries and the presidents of these countries need to allocate funds to tighten any lapses.

[Tipstar]

Yeah it would bring troubles in short term but in the long run, cutting of USAID would benefit every receiving nation as they try to handle the problems on their own and be less dependent on the donors. There could be some more war, starvation, political conflicts and change of government but it's the people of the land that needs to deal with the problems of the land. Running a government system on foreign donors would neither bring development nor sovereignty.
US too would benefit from it and would probably in future help with funds where it actually makes the difference than providing money to small projects that just makes you dependent. 

[Fiatless]

Do you know the major problem with mostly Africa? They're enslaved by these European countries and US, these aides are just a pinch of the benefits US is getting from them.

That is not accurate. Chieftains sold their brothers, or other tribes they could get their hands on into slavery.
Surely there where raids from slavers, the Arab community could tell a tale.

1300 years of slavery:
https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2019-08-04-the-hidden-history-of-arab-slavery-in-africa-and-why-uct-should-not-ignore-it/

You are right; African chiefs served as middlemen in the slave trade business. Even when some humanitarians were fighting for the abolition of the trade, African Chiefs didn't want that to happen. They had to be forced to sign slave trade abolition treaties.

However, the Europeans played an important role in the trade that brought suffering and underdevelopment to Africa. They provided guns for slave raiders and promoted the trade because it brought so much gains.

[arabspaceship123]

Pretty much the expected response when you have no arguments but really want to share gossip

Show proofs if you've got it.

Okay, I see no point in further dialog, because this is not a dialog, but a constant repetition of the mantra “the US are evil villains”

If you can't say Trump's wrong after he's stopped funds to med clinics in South Africa you shouldn't defend him. Americans aren't evil villains they're good ppl but their taxes shouldn't be used to control poor countries. America's a chilled place which's got nice ppl.

[WillyAp]

Trump's singled out South Africa because he's using aid like it's his personal money. If he doesn't like South Africa having a view or opinion which's different to his he doesn't have a right to stop funding women's refuges & med clinics in poor towns.

Source for that statement please.
Interpretation is an excellent way to err

[DrBeer]

Pretty much the expected response when you have no arguments but really want to share gossip

Show proofs if you've got it.

Okay, I see no point in further dialog, because this is not a dialog, but a constant repetition of the mantra “the US are evil villains”

If you can't say Trump's wrong after he's stopped funds to med clinics in South Africa you shouldn't defend him. Americans aren't evil villains they're good ppl but their taxes shouldn't be used to control poor countries. America's a chilled place which's got nice ppl.

 
It's a cheap trick, an attempt to avoid embarrassment, you may have, will probably pass among your family or friends But not with me !
 You have voiced, or rather accused the USA of something delusional. And now I have to prove something ? Your words - is an empty sound, and your pathetic attempt to transfer the responsibility for proving your nonsense - the ultimate stupidity and open admission that you can not say anything in support of their own fantasies ! So I'm not wrong about you ! 

[arabspaceship123]

I'm not surprised your words are hollow because you can't explain why Trump's taking away vital aid from South African refuges & med clinics which help poor people. Admit it South Africa isn't doing what he wants so he's taking their aid away.

It's a cheap trick, an attempt to avoid embarrassment, you may have, will probably pass among your family or friends But not with me !
 You have voiced, or rather accused the USA of something delusional. And now I have to prove something ? Your words - is an empty sound, and your pathetic attempt to transfer the responsibility for proving your nonsense - the ultimate stupidity and open admission that you can not say anything in support of their own fantasies ! So I'm not wrong about you ! 

[DrBeer]

I'm not surprised your words are hollow because you can't explain why Trump's taking away vital aid from South African refuges & med clinics which help poor people. Admit it South Africa isn't doing what he wants so he's taking their aid away.

It's a cheap trick, an attempt to avoid embarrassment, you may have, will probably pass among your family or friends But not with me !
 You have voiced, or rather accused the USA of something delusional. And now I have to prove something ? Your words - is an empty sound, and your pathetic attempt to transfer the responsibility for proving your nonsense - the ultimate stupidity and open admission that you can not say anything in support of their own fantasies ! So I'm not wrong about you ! 

So give me an example of what happened before and under what conditions, what he took away and what conditions he set? 
If I answer in your manner, the answer will be “he didn't take away anything they refused because they want the US to do what they want and not the other and everyone knows that !”
Say - isn't it true that this format of my answer looks very stupid ?

Now I am waiting for your answer, because to continue the dialog in your style is not interesting for me - just typing words for the sake of typing, but which can not be argued or verified, it is not interesting for me

Well or just say, “I just like this explanation because it is the simplest, but I will not prove it - because I have nothing to say to prove my words, I do not have the information” - it will be honest and responsible !

[Accardo]

Yeah it would bring troubles in short term but in the long run, cutting of USAID would benefit every receiving nation as they try to handle the problems on their own and be less dependent on the donors. There could be some more war, starvation, political conflicts and change of government but it's the people of the land that needs to deal with the problems of the land. Running a government system on foreign donors would neither bring development nor sovereignty.
US too would benefit from it and would probably in future help with funds where it actually makes the difference than providing money to small projects that just makes you dependent. 

The republicans believe that the last administration made USAID very good for sponsoring terrorism across the world. Despite the sugarcoated good reliefs it provided to hospitals, schools, and many other seminars, these people the Democrats had underground motives. So, it's best as you said that developing nations shouldn't focus on the US government for aids, since the US wouldn't need theirs, life is reciprocal, and everything requires balancing.

President Trump assumes that helping a nation that doesn't add up to your economy and much rather takes up money from you isn't great. Take for instance, Canada, USA spend about $200billion in subsidy to Canada, and he wants that to stop because they wouldn't be needing Lambos, Energies etc from their closesest neighbor.

[arabspaceship123]

He did it with Ukraine so we know which things he wants but leaders don't tell the world about deals they're trying to negotiate. You're busy typing to defend Trump cutting aid to poor countries but you haven't explained why he's right to close down USAID.

So give me an example of what happened before and under what conditions, what he took away and what conditions he set? 
If I answer in your manner, the answer will be “he didn't take away anything they refused because they want the US to do what they want and not the other and everyone knows that !”
Say - isn't it true that this format of my answer looks very stupid ?

Now I am waiting for your answer, because to continue the dialog in your style is not interesting for me - just typing words for the sake of typing, but which can not be argued or verified, it is not interesting for me

Well or just say, “I just like this explanation because it is the simplest, but I will not prove it - because I have nothing to say to prove my words, I do not have the information” - it will be honest and responsible !

[Reynaldo]

The USAID cuts are actually bullish for Africa  forcing economic self sovereignty while creating space for crypto powered alternatives. Independence > dependency.

[moneystery]

Yeah it would bring troubles in short term but in the long run, cutting of USAID would benefit every receiving nation as they try to handle the problems on their own and be less dependent on the donors. There could be some more war, starvation, political conflicts and change of government but it's the people of the land that needs to deal with the problems of the land. Running a government system on foreign donors would neither bring development nor sovereignty.
US too would benefit from it and would probably in future help with funds where it actually makes the difference than providing money to small projects that just makes you dependent. 

this may be a bit controversial for some people, but what you said is quite reasonable that it is time for the receiving countries to be independent and less dependent on donors. maybe at first they will be faced with problems like these, but in the future, their sense of unity and independence will be built and that will be a new force for them to solve their own problems.

and for america they will also get benefits, because the aid that they have poured into africa, which is quite a lot, they can use to build their country and create more opportunities for their citizens... this is not a matter of humanity, but it's just that if we look at how much america helps african countries, but most of the aid is corrupted, it's just not fair, while unemployment and other problems are still quite a lot in america. they also need to focus on their own country.

[arabspaceship123]

The countries which are going to be affected by Trump's cuts don't have funds to buy crypto assets. They've understood they can't rely on support from countries which stop helping when they've had disagreements so they can't become dependent on them.

The USAID cuts are actually bullish for Africa  forcing economic self sovereignty while creating space for crypto powered alternatives. Independence > dependency.

[arabspaceship123]

WFP's received 1 btc donation from eXch crypto exchange. They're generous. I don't know how much Trump's aid cuts are going to affect World Food Program USA because they're getting donations & funds from non govt sources. The 1 btc donation's going to help ppl who're in need.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg65259333#msg65259333

[Mate2237]

Do you know the mistakes other countries have made including the EU and not just Africa? They kind of like too depending on United States of America. They have forgotten that it is just a country. Donald Trump is making them know how they need not to rely on United States. It is very wrong to be depending on another country. Just defend what is yours. Do not depend on any country to help people in your country. African leaders should start thinking wisely.

I think the United States of America under trump is making some very important changes in terms of the roles that they have playing before and so if the United States of America says that they are not going to be funding some things they use to and that includes the USID so I don't see anything any thing that is wrong



The United States of America has spent trillions of dollars in making sure that people who are in less privileged situations who are from poor countries mostly from Africa, again this is a good one for these countries that are affected by this announcement to make sure that they has a good health sector that  can care of their citizens

[arabspaceship123]

Countries which give aid aren't giving away money like gifts. They'll want some things back in return or else they wouldn't do it. Trump & his team aren't happy with South Africa because of political reasons so they've stopped sending funds to poor areas which need help to support ppl. They've cut aid to many countries so they'll find support some where else.

[Zlantann]

WFP's received 1 btc donation from eXch crypto exchange. They're generous. I don't know how much Trump's aid cuts are going to affect World Food Program USA because they're getting donations & funds from non govt sources. The 1 btc donation's going to help ppl who're in need.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=577207.msg65259333#msg65259333

This is indeed a good initiative by eXch crypto exchange. That donation will help to alleviate the suffering of people who really need it. The US has the right to use its funds any way it wants. If they have decided to stop funding some projects, nobody or organization can force them to do that. I just pray that more organizations will also donate to this worthy organization. I saw this news headline and felt sober Trump’s Foreign Aid Cuts Could Lead to Half a Million AIDS Deaths in South Africa
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But Trump should also know that the US is also losing the confidence and respect other countries have for them. The country was seen as a big brother to many nations because of its generosity and the US could easily influence these beneficiaries. That was why the US could easily get support from other nations during voting in international organizations. If these nations stop getting aid from the US, they would have to also lose their loyalty.

Countries which give aid aren't giving away money like gifts. They'll want some things back in return or else they wouldn't do it. Trump & his team aren't happy with South Africa because of political reasons so they've stopped sending funds to poor areas which need help to support ppl. They've cut aid to many countries so they'll find support some where else.

Could this be related to South Africa's genocide case against Israel in the International Court of Justice?

[arabspaceship123]

But Trump should also know that the US is also losing the confidence and respect other countries have for them. The country was seen as a big brother to many nations because of its generosity and the US could easily influence these beneficiaries. That was why the US could easily get support from other nations during voting in international organizations. If these nations stop getting aid from the US, they would have to also lose their loyalty.

America can't rely on loyalty & support from countries it's abandoned. They've given aid to many countries & received support but Trump's using aid like business deals. When the next president comes he's going to say sorry. He'll repair so much damage which Trump's leaving behind but it's going to take years.

Could this be related to South Africa's genocide case against Israel in the International Court of Justice?

Trump's saying it's because white farmers are being treated unfairly in South Africa.

[Ishicryptic]

I don't have a problem with the cut or stopping majority of the USAID fundings in poor countries, especially in Africa, it was a just cause to help developing countries but it was making them to be over reliant on foreign aid. It is important to note that one of the major reasons why these countries depends on USAID is because of massive corruption. Inorder to continue receiving this aids from the US, politicians and officials involved will make sure that there is no development in their countries and when the aids arrive majority of it are diverted to personal use. As long as aids keeps coming to these underdeveloped countries there leaders will not care to develop their healthcare and other areas that fundings goes into, so that it will continue coming and they will be embezzling most of it.