Fortunejack changing license and country to avoid paying winners: flag created

[PaperWallet]

Here is the judgement, which is “provisionally enforceable” which means they should pay now, even if they decide to appeal.
Given the fact that they should have paid 5 years ago, within 24h, I suggest to give them 24h hours from now before tagging them as scammers, having not abided by a written contract, since their terms and conditions stipulated the courts of Curacao settle disputes.

I will be contacting the people here who have pledged to tag them upon the final judgement by tomorrow.

Below the translated judgement:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3vfp3w3z40xu7jk8h31b9/CUR202301556_English_Full_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=ro1o3if265g3bwacvi3z0o5ve&st=sjvaxupr&dl=0

[PaperWallet]

Lots of reputable accounts read the evidence and still not supported the flag (and that is, only talking about those who commented here). Maybe they’re waiting for the final order to pay by the court and see if they’ll pay or not. Nonetheless, these are still unpaid winnings from 3 years ago and deserve a flag…

OK, I'm inclined to agree with you at this point. One of your bets was incorrectly voided and you should have been paid for it. Plus them leaving Curacao for some country nobody has ever heard of is a big red flag. Once the final court order has been made, post it here (please don't alter the text except for blacking out your personal information) and I will support your flag. You will need a net 3 DT members to support the flag for it to be visible on their threads.

@nutildah you can find the final judgement in my original post at the end, can you please now support my flag?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

@JollyGood would you also do the same? Would you also kindly pin LoyceV about this. In the past he checked my subject, didn’t oppose the flag, but neither supported it, and said it would be interesting to see what a judge says. Well, there you have it. I wouldn’t do it because he expressed to be annoyed by me at some point so I’ll respect his privacy.

[JollyGood]

Congratulations PaperWallet. Your victory is almost complete, just FortuneJack paying you what you are owed as per the Court ruling is what remains.

Your conduct throughout the years of your struggles when you were cheated by FortuneJack has been exemplary. Your endeavours have brought you success you deserved. If FortuneJack switch licences again or refuse to pay what you are owed, you will always have won the moral victory even if you are left out of pocket.

Having said that, I hope they pay they you as soon as possible because they have put you through enough already and for that reason they should pay you and then both parties should move on.

Congratulations again. These are the main parts that stood out for me:

2.10. Conclusion

"■■■■■ claims are granted. Nexus and Antillephone are jointly and severally liable to pay EUR87,750.50, plus statutory interest from the filing date until full payment.

Extrajudicial collection costs

2.11. Since it has been shown that attempts were made to collect the debt amicably, the requested reimbursement of collection costs is granted—calculated according to the Court’s standard of 1.5 points of the applicable fee scale—resulting in ANG 3,000, jointly payable by Nexus and Antillephone

Legal costs

2.12.

"Nexus and Antillephone are ordered, as the largely unsuccessful parties, to pay ■■■■■’s legal costs, totaling: - Service costs: ANG 783.28 - Court fee: ANG 2,100.00 - Attorney’s fee: ANG7,000.00 (3.5 points x tariff 7) Total: ANG 9,883.283.

Decision

The Court:

3.1. Orders Nexus and Antillephone jointly and severally, such that payment by one releases theother, to pay ■■■■■ EUR 87,750.50, plus statutory interest from the filing date until full payment.

3.2. Orders Nexus and Antillephone jointly and severally to pay ■■■■■ ANG 3,000 in extrajudicial collection costs.

3.3. Orders Nexus and Antillephone to pay ■■■■■’s legal costs, amounting to ANG 9,883.28."

This is a monumental victory for you. I wonder how FortuneJack will proceed after the judgement. It was inevitable they were always going to dispute how the Court came to conclusions on specific points but the Court stood firm and dismissed their arguments.

The judgement includes service costs, Court fees, your legal fees and your initial win. That total is around $109,000 (€94,000).

Regardless of whether FortuneJack appeal and prolong the inevitable, congratulations on your win Paper Wallet.

Here is the judgement, which is “provisionally enforceable” which means they should pay now, even if they decide to appeal.
Given the fact that they should have paid 5 years ago, within 24h, I suggest to give them 24h hours from now before tagging them as scammers, having not abided by a written contract, since their terms and conditions stipulated the courts of Curacao settle disputes.

I will be contacting the people here who have pledged to tag them upon the final judgement by tomorrow.

Below the translated judgement:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3vfp3w3z40xu7jk8h31b9/CUR202301556_English_Full_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=ro1o3if265g3bwacvi3z0o5ve&st=sjvaxupr&dl=0

[GxSTxV]

Thank you for sharing your journey with us and everyone can learn from your experience, I keep seeing some people having similar issues with different platforms but they never thought about taking their cases to court even that some people lost bigger amounts.
I wonder how and what if they refused to pay now, what’s going to happen?

Keep us updated when you get any news from them, I guess it’s a big win for you either way and your money will get back to you in full hopefully very soon.

[nutildah]

@nutildah you can find the final judgement in my original post at the end, can you please now support my flag?: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

As promised earlier I am supporting the flag. I will remove my support after FortuneJack has paid what they owe.

I have followed this case from the beginning and what OP has presented in this thread is the most clear cut evidence possible that someone is owed by a crypto casino. It doesn't get any clearer than this from a legal standpoint. Your bet was graded wrong, and FJ refused to make up for it. You went through the hassle of going to court, hiring lawyers, and playing the waiting game all for what you are clearly owed. Nobody should have to endure this kind of treatment from a crypto casino.

Congrats on your victory, and keep in mind you'll still need 2 more DT votes for the flag to be active...

Hopefully FJ just pays what they owe. Appealing the decision would be an incredibly petty thing to do since its an open-and-shut case. For the sake of their reputation I hope they don't go that route. Good luck.


PS: If they actually wanted to settle with you for 80% or whatever it was, just take it, that's a huge victory, and way better than nothing.

[PaperWallet]

@nutildah thank you for keeping the promise

Congratulations PaperWallet. Your victory is almost complete, just FortuneJack paying you what you are owed as per the Court ruling is what remains.

Your conduct throughout the years of your struggles when you were cheated by FortuneJack has been exemplary. Your endeavours have brought you success you deserved. If FortuneJack switch licences again or refuse to pay what you are owed, you will always have won the moral victory even if you are left out of pocket.

Having said that, I hope they pay they you as soon as possible because they have put you through enough already and for that reason they should pay you and then both parties should move on.

Congratulations again. These are the main parts that stood out for me:

2.10. Conclusion

"■■■■■ claims are granted. Nexus and Antillephone are jointly and severally liable to pay EUR87,750.50, plus statutory interest from the filing date until full payment.

Extrajudicial collection costs

2.11. Since it has been shown that attempts were made to collect the debt amicably, the requested reimbursement of collection costs is granted—calculated according to the Court’s standard of 1.5 points of the applicable fee scale—resulting in ANG 3,000, jointly payable by Nexus and Antillephone

Legal costs

2.12.

"Nexus and Antillephone are ordered, as the largely unsuccessful parties, to pay ■■■■■’s legal costs, totaling: - Service costs: ANG 783.28 - Court fee: ANG 2,100.00 - Attorney’s fee: ANG7,000.00 (3.5 points x tariff 7) Total: ANG 9,883.283.

Decision

The Court:

3.1. Orders Nexus and Antillephone jointly and severally, such that payment by one releases theother, to pay ■■■■■ EUR 87,750.50, plus statutory interest from the filing date until full payment.

3.2. Orders Nexus and Antillephone jointly and severally to pay ■■■■■ ANG 3,000 in extrajudicial collection costs.

3.3. Orders Nexus and Antillephone to pay ■■■■■’s legal costs, amounting to ANG 9,883.28."

This is a monumental victory for you. I wonder how FortuneJack will proceed after the judgement. It was inevitable they were always going to dispute how the Court came to conclusions on specific points but the Court stood firm and dismissed their arguments.

The judgement includes service costs, Court fees, your legal fees and your initial win. That total is around $109,000 (€94,000).

Regardless of whether FortuneJack appeal and prolong the inevitable, congratulations on your win Paper Wallet.

Here is the judgement, which is “provisionally enforceable” which means they should pay now, even if they decide to appeal.
Given the fact that they should have paid 5 years ago, within 24h, I suggest to give them 24h hours from now before tagging them as scammers, having not abided by a written contract, since their terms and conditions stipulated the courts of Curacao settle disputes.

I will be contacting the people here who have pledged to tag them upon the final judgement by tomorrow.

Below the translated judgement:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/3vfp3w3z40xu7jk8h31b9/CUR202301556_English_Full_Redacted.pdf?rlkey=ro1o3if265g3bwacvi3z0o5ve&st=sjvaxupr&dl=0

Thank you! Thank you as well for making the summary. Can you support my flag and pin LoyceV about this?
I have 2 legendary members supporting it but still not enough for it to be active (and no one opposing it)

@shield132 @GxSTxV @notblox1 @zwei @´Rating Place’ you’ve commented here can you please support the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

[notblox1]

Congratulations on beating them in court.
Justice has finally been served.

you’ve commented here can you please support the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

I am now supporting the flag against fortunejack.
I really hope that you will receive your money from them soon, but I would not be surprised if they try to do something stupid again.
If they dont learn anything from this case than they should not exist anymore.

[shield132]

PaperWallet,
Did you receive money from them? Did they appeal? Btw, what happens if they don't pay you money? FortuneJack is now operated and probably owned by PlayWave, so how will they force FortuneJack to pay money? I don't understand how they will be forced to pay. Since FortuneJack operates from Georgia, they'll contact Georgian Law Enforcement to make FortuneJack pay or will they contact FJ in Costa Rica, where they acquired their new license? Also, in order for OP to succeed, Georgia or Costa Rica has to cooperate with French, right? OP is from France as I understood from the Court Files. I have no idea how the law works in this case.

[PaperWallet]

PaperWallet,
Did you receive money from them? Did they appeal? Btw, what happens if they don't pay you money? FortuneJack is now operated and probably owned by PlayWave, so how will they force FortuneJack to pay money? I don't understand how they will be forced to pay. Since FortuneJack operates from Georgia, they'll contact Georgian Law Enforcement to make FortuneJack pay or will they contact FJ in Costa Rica, where they acquired their new license? Also, in order for OP to succeed, Georgia or Costa Rica has to cooperate with French, right? OP is from France as I understood from the Court Files. I have no idea how the law works in this case.

No communication, no payment. Whether they appeal or not, the judgement is enforceable.

If they don’t pay, that’s another story, we will see. No the judgement is in their country where they were licensed at the time of my bets, Curacao, so France for the time being is not involved.

[Zwei]

congrats on your win @PaperWallet, this is gonna be a historical event here on the forum, and it shows that offshore crypto casinos are not as untouchable as many of us thought before.

@zwei you’ve commented here can you please support the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

supported. the flag now have 5 DT members supporting it, so it should be active now.

let's see if they are going to actually pay you in full this time and try to save whatever reputation they have left, or if they will pull the same trick as last time to avoid paying.

No communication, no payment. Whether they appeal or not, the judgement is enforceable.

how would you be able to enforce it if they don't want to pay?

[PaperWallet]

congrats on your win @PaperWallet, this is gonna be a historical event here on the forum, and it shows that offshore crypto casinos are not as untouchable as many of us thought before.

@zwei you’ve commented here can you please support the flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

supported. the flag now have 5 DT members supporting it, so it should be active now.

let's see if they are going to actually pay you in full this time and try to save whatever reputation they have left, or if they will pull the same trick as last time to avoid paying.

No communication, no payment. Whether they appeal or not, the judgement is enforceable.

how would you be able to enforce it if they don't want to pay?

Thank you.

Enforcing would be a really ugly thing I personally do not wish to involve myself in stuff like that, but who knows. Other lawsuits can be filed, Costa Rica actually has bilateral agreements with the European Union

[shield132]

No communication, no payment. Whether they appeal or not, the judgement is enforceable.

If they don’t pay, that’s another story, we will see. No the judgement is in their country where they were licensed at the time of my bets, Curacao, so France for the time being is not involved.

As I understand from your last post, they don't pay. They might appeal to win the time or they might try their best to make things as difficult as possible for you to move on enforcing rules.
I don't know how ethical it is but have you tried to contact them on LinkedIn before all of this started? I know they don't care but you can find lots of information about them on LinkedIn because they have an active LinkedIn and almost all of their employees are available there. Right now they might sue you for contacting them, idk.
I would love to help but I don't know how to help. Sadly, there is almost zero information about FortuneJack in the local language, they seem quite invisible on the local market, and they only post job listings locally.

[notblox1]

Enforcing would be a really ugly thing I personally do not wish to involve myself in stuff like that, but who knows. Other lawsuits can be filed, Costa Rica actually has bilateral agreements with the European Union

Did they ever tried to get in contact with you after you won in the court, or last time was when they offered the deal before court decision?

I dont see them being active in bitcointalk forum for more than a month, and their topic is now showing red warning about possible scammer.
I really hope they learned the lesson with your case.

[PaperWallet]

No communication, no payment. Whether they appeal or not, the judgement is enforceable.

If they don’t pay, that’s another story, we will see. No the judgement is in their country where they were licensed at the time of my bets, Curacao, so France for the time being is not involved.

As I understand from your last post, they don't pay. They might appeal to win the time or they might try their best to make things as difficult as possible for you to move on enforcing rules.
I don't know how ethical it is but have you tried to contact them on LinkedIn before all of this started? I know they don't care but you can find lots of information about them on LinkedIn because they have an active LinkedIn and almost all of their employees are available there. Right now they might sue you for contacting them, idk.
I would love to help but I don't know how to help. Sadly, there is almost zero information about FortuneJack in the local language, they seem quite invisible on the local market, and they only post job listings locally.

Well to help you can support the flag, actually every other individual here I called upon has supported my flag.
It’s not my job to check out their employees, God will take care of the wicked

[PaperWallet]

Enforcing would be a really ugly thing I personally do not wish to involve myself in stuff like that, but who knows. Other lawsuits can be filed, Costa Rica actually has bilateral agreements with the European Union

Did they ever tried to get in contact with you after you won in the court, or last time was when they offered the deal before court decision?

I dont see them being active in bitcointalk forum for more than a month, and their topic is now showing red warning about possible scammer.
I really hope they learned the lesson with your case.

No, they just disappeared.

[Rating Place]

Congrats on the win PaperWallet!

[PaperWallet]

Congrats on the win PaperWallet!

Thank you, please support my flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=3385

[shield132]

Well to help you can support the flag, actually every other individual here I called upon has supported my flag.
It’s not my job to check out their employees, God will take care of the wicked

I support the flag. You can already see my name in the list. It's not your job to check out their employees but I was curious about whether you tried to do that. This is the email of their CEO in case you need it or will ever need it.
I see that their thread has a red warning and their account has a negative trust. It's a very good achievement from you but this whole situation makes me pity to the point where I almost want to cry because FortuneJack was one of my favourite casinos and when I learnt that it was a local company, I was very proud of them. Turns out, they are not the company to be proud of.

[PaperWallet]

Well to help you can support the flag, actually every other individual here I called upon has supported my flag.
It’s not my job to check out their employees, God will take care of the wicked

I support the flag. You can already see my name in the list. It's not your job to check out their employees but I was curious about whether you tried to do that. This is the email of their CEO in case you need it or will ever need it.
I see that their thread has a red warning and their account has a negative trust. It's a very good achievement from you but this whole situation makes me pity to the point where I almost want to cry because FortuneJack was one of my favourite casinos and when I learnt that it was a local company, I was very proud of them. Turns out, they are not the company to be proud of.

Yes thks, at this point my flag has so many DT users supporting it (despite some here who seemed interested for 3 years but just disappearing upon learning the result, @LoyceV are you there?)

[holydarkness]

Well to help you can support the flag, actually every other individual here I called upon has supported my flag.
It’s not my job to check out their employees, God will take care of the wicked

I support the flag. You can already see my name in the list. It's not your job to check out their employees but I was curious about whether you tried to do that. This is the email of their CEO in case you need it or will ever need it.
I see that their thread has a red warning and their account has a negative trust. It's a very good achievement from you but this whole situation makes me pity to the point where I almost want to cry because FortuneJack was one of my favourite casinos and when I learnt that it was a local company, I was very proud of them. Turns out, they are not the company to be proud of.

Uhhh... if I may jump in, I don't think there's any need to email their CEO about this yet.

My memory was a bit vague on the flow of this case and my participation on it, but IIRC, I tried to nudge my contact on FJ about this matter once it fell into my radar, ADante, they informed me that this case preceeded them being assigned to handle forum matters, so they'll need to and will try to get insight from their legal dept. [this case went to court, so other departments previously handling the matter will have to hand over the case over to their legal dept.]

That contact got assigned to other matter and the burden of handling FortuneJack's official account is given over to their colleague few good weeks ago [me and that new contact is well in-touch, as ADante introduce us before he moved desk].

I got nudged by that new FortuneJack's contact earlier today, asking about flag and all as they're yet to familiarize themselves with our forum system and upon my explanation, they went straight to what ADante tried to achieve back then: to understand the matter and give their insight from legal department.

So... yeah, I don't think we need to nudge their CEO yet. Hopefully FJ's rep will appear here and say something.