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In this case those allergic to AI will say it is plagiarism and the thread should be trashed in addition to banning the OP.

This view seems to me to have the problem of closing the forum to potential advertisers who are already using AI more and more.

I leave it as public information and separate from other threads for theymos and/or the moderators to decide what to do but it would be nice to know the criteria. I have asked ChatGPT and it doesn't seem that the OP has any legal obligation to cite that he has used an AI, but rather it depends on the forum rules.

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If the text is purely informational or a reformulation of your own idea, you can likely post it without any issues. But if it’s for an academic setting, professional work, or a platform where authorship matters, it might be advisable to mention AI involvement.


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The AI-generated content needs to be repackaged into an infographic. Then people will stop complaining about the quality.

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I used to have negative stand against AI but I have started to learn that it is a good tool.

But when someone is trying to copy and paste the an entire article without giving it a personal touch then it is bad. I guess are real reader can get the sense once they read the post/article. When it senses an AI generated text then eventually the article lose it's value of reading.

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March 05, 2025, 12:18:18 PM
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I'm not really much of a big fan of using AI detectors to try to spot AI generated text the best you could do is actually just speculate if the text is AI generated or not because sometimes these AI generators may not give the right results. Nevertheless AI posts seem less interesting to read by people not because they are low quality but because the user posting it just copy pasted it.

There is a some sort of natural urge for reading that comes with a post that was authentically created instead of something that was just created an AI. This is basically just the reason why people ignore AI generated posts.

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I'm not really much of a big fan of using AI detectors to try to spot AI generated text the best you could do is actually just speculate if the text is AI generated or not because sometimes these AI generators may not give the right results. Nevertheless AI posts seem less interesting to read by people not because they are low quality but because the user posting it just copy pasted it.

There is a some sort of natural urge for reading that comes with a post that was authentically created instead of something that was just created an AI. This is basically just the reason why people ignore AI generated posts.
Why not? Although there might be some false positives or negatives, we use at least three detectors in the main AI Report Thread to make that conclusion. So far, I don't believe we've wronged anyone. Thus, what makes you say that?

Here's another example similar to OP's. Another casino is opting to have AI write their thread and reply to users who replied or asked questions. Personally, if you don't even bother writing the thread and the posts yourself, why should I bother with your shady casino? You don't even spend 5 minutes to construct a proper reply and you have AI to write it for you; I don't want a chatbot to answer my questions, I want a real representative. That's a huge no for me.

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March 05, 2025, 01:34:37 PM
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I used to have negative stand against AI but I have started to learn that it is a good tool.

But when someone is trying to copy and paste the an entire article without giving it a personal touch then it is bad. I guess are real reader can get the sense once they read the post/article. When it senses an AI generated text then eventually the article lose it's value of reading.
Thank you for this. This has always been my stand point. Other than having negative views about AI tools, we can use it to out advantage, it's almost equivalent to checking up facts and details on a regular search engine. Imagine having a knowledge about something and you are not certain if it is updated or outdated, with an AI tool you one will have wider range of updated information about that said topic.

Where the whole AI stuff might look bad is when the user simply copies everything verbally without first trying to understand the generated output to know if it answers the question asked and also try to put them in their own understanding. The aim of AI is to enhance our daily interaction and communication. Other than standing completely against AI usage I think the focus should be on contents that are copied and pasted word for word.

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I used to have negative stand against AI but I have started to learn that it is a good tool.

But when someone is trying to copy and paste the an entire article without giving it a personal touch then it is bad. I guess are real reader can get the sense once they read the post/article. When it senses an AI generated text then eventually the article lose it's value of reading.
Thank you for this. This has always been my stand point. Other than having negative views about AI tools, we can use it to out advantage, it's almost equivalent to checking up facts and details on a regular search engine. Imagine having a knowledge about something and you are not certain if it is updated or outdated, with an AI tool you one will have wider range of updated information about that said topic.
The aim of AI is to enhance our daily interaction and communication. Other than standing completely against AI usage I think the focus should be on contents that are copied and pasted word for word.
if you used AI as a mere aid in fact checking a point, it is rare to tag such kind of AI usage as a bad practice that is completely against the forum rules and regulation. once you go through a content that is generated by an AI, you can easily spot out the different between such content and another that is a pure opinion of a member.

the issue is with the copy and paste that some individual are used to which makes it difficult to take certain opinion as legit as it might be.

like @AB de Royse777 said, when you read a content that is a natural opinion from someone, the feeling is usually different from an AI generated one. imagine you are going through a thread that has application to what you are experiencing and the opinion you are reading are all generated through AI? what will be the implication of following such post?

using AI in a wrong way and pretending as though the opinion you are sharing is one that is generated directly from you is a wrong practice that is wrong both in the forum and in any other platform where constructive human intellectual knowledge is being used.

it is the reason for doing plagiarism check on high school project even though the lecturers knows that you will get some information online through some sources or even through an AI.

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For somebody advertising his product that will require people to spend $10k, the least he could do is try to be original with his write-up. I'm not against using AI to help you write your stuff, but copying and pasting exactly what the AI generated is such a lazy thing to do, don't you think?

Nobody will be happy if the person they gave a job to is putting no effort whatsoever but simply generating AI to make his advertisement.
Just to confirm, I checked the post with copyleaks and it's 100% AI text. That's not cool at all.
Using the AI tool to make your writing and grammar better is a whole different thing from copy and paste.

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Why not? Although there might be some false positives or negatives, we use at least three detectors in the main AI Report Thread to make that conclusion. So far, I don't believe we've wronged anyone. Thus, what makes you say that?

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March 05, 2025, 05:43:41 PM
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I used to have negative stand against AI but I have started to learn that it is a good tool.
AI is a very good tool and saves your time but you have to be knowledgeable enough to assess quality of content, advice from AI tools.

AI is good in a way it does not add any emotion, human bias to their content, that's better in many cases for example analysis right and wrong of JD Vance, Trump, and Zelenskyy in a White House Diplomatic show days ago. I don't want to go to political discussion here, it's just an example from neutral and non biased opinion from AI tools. Except if that AI is manipulated by the owner like how Google and Facebook were biased.

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But when someone is trying to copy and paste the an entire article without giving it a personal touch then it is bad. I guess are real reader can get the sense once they read the post/article. When it senses an AI generated text then eventually the article lose it's value of reading.
But people have to use AI rightly, I agree with you. Using AI tools for your own learning, researching, resolving your problems is rightly but using it to simplify how you earn money from content generation is sort of unacceptable similarly to plagiarism that is not couraged and not allowed in forum.

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AI makes online life easier; I don't think it's wrong if someone uses AI to create their announcement or something similar. Actually, AI can't create content from zero unless you provide him content or points that you need. AI, write it professionally when you submit something to the bot.

However, using AI would go wrong when using it to make forum posts. It should be discouraged to use AI to create replies and make posts here. I had been using it to rewrite my posts to make proper grammar, etc., but some of my forum mates pointed out the things that went wrong. So instead of rewriting using AI, I have been using other bots just to make corrections on grammar. So it depends on the purpose of using AI; either it would be wrong or right.


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This a project or a brand we are talking about here and not an individual post, and if what he has is exactly from AI. He has to read it and have  knowledge of it and used it to advertise or announce his project. But it is not good to used everything from the AI because what prompted him to develop the project must have different
mindset with the AI knowledge. And he can only take a part of the information and add it to his own before making the announcement in the public consumption. And if he copied everything from the AI, Opinion leaders will criticize him which is what you have done.
But what you quoted is a casino and if the Op has the casino running and he made that ANN from AI, I think it will not make sense because his thoughts were different from the AI even though he got some of the information from AI, he has to add his own reasons of developing the site. Though I am not a detector to know if he used Al for the ANN thread.

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The intention is what really matters, rather the content in AI usage. If someone wrote something long wall of text and uses AI to check the spelling or better formatting then it might be okay but what 99% of the time happens is they just copy and paste contents of a post and just copy and paste the reply from AI tools which is wrong and those users doesn't add anything to the discussions at all should be treated with a temp/permanent ban.

But I wonder why they really used AI to create this ANN and it's just their features followed by description and if someone can't even do that then how can I believe that they are going to create me a casino. Roll Eyes

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In this case those allergic to AI will say it is plagiarism and the thread should be trashed in addition to banning the OP.

I don't think so. People who are against the usage of AI in this forum might or might not agree with me, but there can be some exceptions. Let me tell you how.

There is a difference in a person running a service and he uses an AI text generator to refine an announcement he has created, or he may provide the AI with the data that has to be added in the announcement so that AI does the rest because it can do it more professionally, ordering the stuff in a better way, and a person who copy and pastes a post/thread to the AI and asks it to generate a response for it and then copies and pastes the whole response generated by the AI, which makes the person trying to be what he is not.

You can use AI to help you with your work and assist you with things that you might not be able to do as accurately as it can. In this case, some might argue that the one running the service should have hired a writer to get the announcement written, but I would say that if they didn't want to do that, there is nothing wrong with that; however, as stated by @Ultegra134, the service shouldn't completely depend on AI, and it should stop at the announcement and the responses to participants or any other posts done as a response to a problem shouldn't be generated by an AI because that then becomes a problem.

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I used to have negative stand against AI but I have started to learn that it is a good tool.
Well, it depends on the one who uses it. If someone uses AI to cheat then it's a bad approach but if someone wants to understand a thing and other online sources can't explain it in a good way then one can take some help from advanced AI LLM's. However, it should be only used for learning purpose not to copy and paste the stuff that it generates. But, most of the LLM's are still not fully improved and no only really knows that on which data they have been trained and that's why it's always better to keep such things in mind.

 
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When it senses an AI generated text then eventually the article lose it's value of reading.
What was it few years ago compared to what we have today? Meh! But of course, it has improved pretty much through the years, and that's good. What's this luddism OP keeps talking about?? I mean it's funny...
Didn't y'all -- at some point fear for the trouble rather than the benefits of AI, base off of the gibberish it'd produce if it were asked to formulate a page of content or something?

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But when someone is trying to copy and paste the an entire article without giving it a personal touch then it is bad. I guess are real reader can get the sense once they read the post/article.
Exactlyyyyyyyy!!!!  I said the same thing, but in a different way on OP's previous post on the same topic. Who'd be so unreasonable to kick against an aid that can compose and do a whole lot of stuffs?? It's just the PEOPLE!!
or maybe OP enjoys stirring up an argument?

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This definitely makes sense. Businesses and individuals are embracing AI as it becomes widely available across the world, it is inevitable it will be utilised. Making announcements by writing posts and then using AI to modify it to fix grammatical errors will probably become less frowned up not only in the forum but elsewhere too. Having said that, representatives should not be replaced in favour of bots (or AI) if they do not allow others to use them on own their business website.

I absolutely agree. Okay, you can make an announcement with the help of AI, but representatives, not robots, are obliged to answer questions from future clients. After all, the casino itself does not approve of bots playing instead of people, so why should we be satisfied with communicating with a machine?

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AI is not going away.  And unlike past perceived annoyances, this one cannot be ignored. 

That being said, there is a difference between using AI to assist versus using AI to do everything.   Even that can be seen as age bias, since Generation Z may already rely on these tools the same way Generation Y/Millennials relied on grammar correction or Generation X relied on spell checking.    Gen X is really the last generation that was "fully present" in high schools, and it shows in the reliance of these tools with today's youth - my nephew is 17 and cannot drive without GPS.  :/  Now my mother (Baby Boomer) also cannot drive without GPS but she is winding down her life while today's kids are just starting.

Not everyone has the same morals, and these people may not care but they may not also feel they are doing anything wrong.   Rather than enforcing such rules, more energy should be spent educating people how to use it properly.    AI is not bad - only how it's used.

Proper AI example.  I asked AI for colors for a futurism theme, but I still had to decide where to put each color.    I also had AI generate the logo, but the description used to generate it was mine.   Smiley https://elon.report   (still under development)

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I have dealt with a similar case before, and I think it is relevant to post my stance here.

User: MoSaf256

All of his 12 posts are 100% AI-generated (I am including only 3). He is advertising his casino which is OK but he should have respected the forum's policies as well. IMO a temporary neutral tag is a must. Having said that I have to add that his replies are on-point and useful. If he continues to do so he must acknowledge the use of AI. No exception here.  


I was about to report him yesterday but you got it first. No use of AI is accepted, what does it mean that his replies are on-point and useful? If we want to strike a conversation with an AI, we have plenty of platforms to do just that.

You are right and I have mentioned my apprehensions in my trust feedback. Having said that we cannot force someone to not use AI for their businesses. You are right that this forum should not only serve as a chatbot of theirs, that is the reason I mentioned the need for a temporary tag (in case he wants to correct his course).  



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March 06, 2025, 09:17:32 AM
Merited by vapourminer (1), The Cryptovator (1)
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In my experience, the mods are reluctant to delete AI posts if its the first post in a thread, and most likely will not delete project posts, especially if its the first post in a thread.

Using ChatGPT or whatever to make your project summary seems to be OK. Then its up to the customer whether or not they want to use a product made by extremely lazy people.

I think a good parallel is during the 2017-2018 ICO boom, there were hundreds of projects with plagiarized white papers, and they were all scams. The level of effort which a person or team puts into a project is directly correlated with its likelihood of success.

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