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March 05, 2025, 05:53:22 PM
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NATO was something that had use at the time of WW2 and shortly thereafter. But it doesn't really have any use today in this age of border-crossing by alternative media. Everybody knows what's going on, or they can find out.

If Europe wants to keep some form of NATO, let them get together and negotiate it. The US doesn't have a need over there any longer. And with Trump in the White House, NATO is something like a monkey on the back of America. MAGA


Republican Lawmakers Join Musk In Calling For US To Exit NATO



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/republican-lawmakers-join-musk-calling-us-exit-nato
A pair of Republican lawmakers have issued public statements of support for the United States exiting the the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, or NATO. The rare call comes on the heels of the explosive row between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and President Donald Trump at the White House last Friday.

First, Senator Mike Lee (R-UT) posted to X Saturday, "Get us out of NATO." He highlighted a chart showing that the US represents around 70% of the entire annual combined defense spending of NATO countries. No other nation comes close. Lee's post also featured the conclusion of Rod Martin, who wrote: "Just to be clear, the Europeans aren't gonna do jack."

The Europeans are at this moment trying to cobble together a "coalition of the willing" - in the Sunday words of UK prime minister Kier Starmer, to keep up strong support for Ukraine.

Second, posting in support of Sen. Lee was Rep. Thomas Massie, Republican from Kentucky, who wrote, "NATO is a Cold War relic that needs to be relegated to a talking kiosk at the Smithsonian."

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March 05, 2025, 07:50:01 PM
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The US shouldn't forget that Europe has always been a reliable partner. When the US lied that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, they gained the support of some European nations who sent troops and military equipment to defeat the Iraqi government in power.

The US also needed the help of Allied forces to invade Afghanistan, nations like the United Kingdom, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand supported them to achieve their aim in the Asian country.

Now because they are not fighting any personal war, they want to dump Europe. Donald Trump should know that no country is an island, they will always need the help of others.

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March 05, 2025, 11:30:49 PM
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^^^ Trump's idea isn't to make the US and island. His idea is to make slaves of all the rest of the nations... in such a way that they like it. MAGA

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March 06, 2025, 07:24:37 AM
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^^^ Trump's idea isn't to make the US and island. His idea is to make slaves of all the rest of the nations... in such a way that they like it. MAGA

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The US alone cannot enslave the whole world. You should also know that the US economy cannot survive sanctions on Mexico, Canada, China and Europe, it economy will also suffer. Very soon the impact of these careless tarriff war will begin to manifest itself in the American society. Prices of some goods and services will skyrocket and the masses will begin to complain.

What other nations should do to avoid this so-called enslavement is to unite and improve regional cooperation. Europe is already doing it by pledging to increase funding for the military so that they will be able to defend themselves without needing the help of the US. If NATO states can protect themselves without the US, it will be an end to this pride of Trump and his lieutenant Vance.

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March 06, 2025, 03:35:21 PM
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^^^ Trump's idea isn't to make the US and island. His idea is to make slaves of all the rest of the nations... in such a way that they like it. MAGA
And somehow trump is planning to do that without going to war? Don't even pretend that those slaves wouldn't start inside from USA. They need cheap labor to keep prices down if those tariffs even hold.

How long until you bring your god to this argument again to derail the narrative?

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Democrats aren't allowed to pretend that Republicans are the ones who think science is fake when they literally couldn't even tell the difference between a man or a woman.  Every kid is required to know and understand this difference in pre-school.  Knowing which bathroom to use is literally the only requirement for the lowest level of education.  Yet, Harvard educated liberals with masters degrees can't even tell you the difference between a man and a woman.  They will look you in the eye and tell you that men can get pregnant and woman have penises.  Party of science...  Please.  Party of brainwashed idiots.  The average 4 year old republican has more common sense than the most educated liberal, and that is the truth.

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I think it would be foolish to assume or even believe NATO is going to disappear or disband if the United States decided to cut ties with the alliance, Europe will keep it alive for the next four years and when Trump is already gone, a next president of the USA who is actually aligned with the views of the west and wants to keep democracy safe from distators will re-join NATO and fix the damage done by Trump and the submissive Republican party.
NATO is way more useful than the mutual defense treaty which was signed between North Korea and Russia, two dictatorships trying to help one another, that was just a new low to Putin, who likes to keep the façade of a democratic Russia.

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March 06, 2025, 08:53:09 PM
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Democrats aren't allowed to pretend that Republicans are the ones who think science is fake when they literally couldn't even tell the difference between a man or a woman.  Every kid is required to know and understand this difference in pre-school.  Knowing which bathroom to use is literally the only requirement for the lowest level of education.  Yet, Harvard educated liberals with masters degrees can't even tell you the difference between a man and a woman.  They will look you in the eye and tell you that men can get pregnant and woman have penises.  Party of science...  Please.  Party of brainwashed idiots.  The average 4 year old republican has more common sense than the most educated liberal, and that is the truth.
Sounds like you have missed basic education on that part, or you have been consuming some x news.

And while talking about science, Mango Mussolini and his goons just cut funding from cancer and asthma research, because Trump and Elon were afraid that people are making transgender mices. Not knowing the difference between transgender and transgenic makes me think that DOGE might cut funds from public transportation infrastructure pretty soon as well as well.

But, we are happy to take your most talented scientists to work in EU. And if you think that any 4 year old can do their job, you probably won't even mind. Rest of the world doesn't really mind either for that brain drain. Good luck in there.

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Democrats aren't allowed to pretend that Republicans are the ones who think science is fake when they literally couldn't even tell the difference between a man or a woman.  Every kid is required to know and understand this difference in pre-school.  Knowing which bathroom to use is literally the only requirement for the lowest level of education.  Yet, Harvard educated liberals with masters degrees can't even tell you the difference between a man and a woman.  They will look you in the eye and tell you that men can get pregnant and woman have penises.  Party of science...  Please.  Party of brainwashed idiots.  The average 4 year old republican has more common sense than the most educated liberal, and that is the truth.
Sounds like you have missed basic education on that part, or you have been consuming some x news.

And while talking about science, Mango Mussolini and his goons just cut funding from cancer and asthma research, because Trump and Elon were afraid that people are making transgender mices. Not knowing the difference between transgender and transgenic makes me think that DOGE might cut funds from public transportation infrastructure pretty soon as well as well.

But, we are happy to take your most talented scientists to work in EU. And if you think that any 4 year old can do their job, you probably won't even mind. Rest of the world doesn't really mind either for that brain drain. Good luck in there.

Poor baby. Rather than do something about the Europe problems, you would pick on people who are figuring out what they are. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IOWBjoo7Ew

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Poor baby. Rather than do something about the Europe problems, you would pick on people who are figuring out what they are.
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I wonder how long it takes for you to realize, how much of a self-burn that was, when i have been talking about DOGE, MAGA-Hats, their president and you.

I am actively working both on grassroot level and higher for keeping representative democracy in EU, thank you very much. And obviously i am worried about USA cutting ties with everyone, as we still have to live in the same planet, and their actions can affect rest of the world as well. But i can't wait to get inflow of your smartest, because at least in here, they have freedom to work and freedom of expression.

I won't be holding my breath about you reflecting your actions or statements.

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Poor baby. Rather than do something about the Europe problems, you would pick on people who are figuring out what they are.
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I wonder how long it takes for you to realize, how much of a self-burn that was, when i have been talking about DOGE, MAGA-Hats, their president and you.

I am actively working both on grassroot level and higher for keeping representative democracy in EU, thank you very much. And obviously i am worried about USA cutting ties with everyone, as we still have to live in the same planet, and their actions can affect rest of the world as well. But i can't wait to get inflow of your smartest, because at least in here, they have freedom to work and freedom of expression.

I won't be holding my breath about you reflecting your actions or statements.

This is a good thing that you are working on, the grassroots thing. Keep it up. The people will recognize it for what it is.

In America, there are few people who have time for playing in forums like this one. Why? They are too busy working 2 and 3 jobs to support families. The thing that they easily recognize is the mess that the Deep State made for them, and that Trump was way better than Biden. That's why they elected Trump in such an overwhelming election. They wanted and still want MAGA, and Trump is showing them what he is doing to provide such.

Getting out of NATO is ideal. Why? Because NATO does nothing other than drain American resources. It isn't about the USA cutting ties. Rather, it's about the kind of ties that the USA has with other countries. The ties should be each country taking care of itself, not the USA taking care of all the other countries.

Time for MAGA in the USA, and that is what Trump is doing.


Trump v. Atlanticism: Understanding Russiagate



https://www.zerohedge.com/political/trump-v-atlanticism-understanding-russiagate
"They" always feared he would go there, and "they" tried to prevent it by a never-ending string of investigations, prosecutions, and impeachments.

The "they" Trump defied is called on X "the Deep State" which is a colorful nickname. It has a real name, too: "Atlanticism," after the Atlantic Charter entered by Roosevelt and Churchill. It is the "A" in "North Atlantic Treaty Organization."

In high-toned treatises, Atlanticism described a form of empire built upon American hegemony. The moral justification was ostensibly based on American benevolence, a projection of virtue that relied on propaganda. It's closest historical analog, though, was colonialism.

The lands occupied by Atlanticist ideology traded in American currency. NATO existed to deter the Soviet threat. But it was also an occupying army. There were not colonial governments. There was, instead, strict control of information, puppet governments, and election interference.

When Trump questioned the continuing need for NATO in 2016, institutions with a financial stake in Atlanticism performed a Cold War soft power operation against him. Western intelligence agencies mobilized to connect Trump to Russia, leading to a series of political dirty tricks.

Russiagate was not merely bureaucratic haplessness masquerading as foreign intrigue. It was, instead, the sclerotic postwar spy apparatus targeting an American presidential candidate and then president.

In 2024, Trump won the presidency again, in part out of the electorate's disgust over the dirty tricks. Upon returning to the Oval Office, he deliberately refocused foreign policy on the American hemisphere.

He Truth Socialed aggressively about Canada, Mexico, Greenland, and Panama, sending his new Secretary of State on his first diplomatic mission to negotiate better rates on passage through the Panama Canal after threatening to take it back by force.
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March 09, 2025, 09:35:51 PM
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NATO cannot even deal with a few mountain goats shouting allah snackbar in afghanistan so hasn't a hope against russia. Russia need to get back to syria and burn Al Golani and his jungle animals or the US and Israel should do it and rebuild syria as a democracy by force. All islamic jihadi terrorists should then be hung on the end of a rope. Ignore NATO useless impotent morons. Ignore the EU also.
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Poor baby. Rather than do something about the Europe problems, you would pick on people who are figuring out what they are.
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I wonder how long it takes for you to realize, how much of a self-burn that was, when i have been talking about DOGE, MAGA-Hats, their president and you.

I am actively working both on grassroot level and higher for keeping representative democracy in EU, thank you very much. And obviously i am worried about USA cutting ties with everyone, as we still have to live in the same planet, and their actions can affect rest of the world as well. But i can't wait to get inflow of your smartest, because at least in here, they have freedom to work and freedom of expression.

I won't be holding my breath about you reflecting your actions or statements.

You should be worried about the USA “cutting ties” with everyone. We’ve been helping to carry the burden of Europe’s idiotic socialism and NATO’s encroachment for too long. Without the US bankrolling this stupidity any longer, Europe’s quality of life will be effected. America’s will as well with our reduced deficits, lower rates, and booming economy.

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nato is just a money making machine/ponzi

think about it

the EU gave ukraine a loan for €150b (emphasis loan)
ukraine give that money straight to nato to buy EU weapons (technically making EU whole)

but because the money went through nato as a weapons purchase, its not a drawdown on debt, not a debt payment.
so ukraine still owe EU €150b + incurring interest..

basically EU will double their money + interest on top

nato is not some humanitarian group, nor a charity/aid of doing things out of the goodness of their heart and whats right

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and now you dont have to wonder why the EU are not looking for trump to end the war within a week, and why the EU want to keep funding the war effort by supplying more weapons that dont help ukraine win, but just survive long enough to need another loan/handout later

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The Jihadi scumbags have now been ordered by the terrorist regime in syria to stop recording their war crimes and posting them on the interwebs there seems to be also a purge on X to get rid of all the worst evidence floating around which may also be why X seems to be down most of the day too. Make no mistake the political rats in the european union are the enemies of civilisation due to their backing of an Alqaeda terrorist regime member.


What is needed now is an end to their war project in ukraine and for the US,Israel and russia to combine forces and take over syria by absolute force and purge it of all Jihadi extremists ensuring they are forced into a cauldron with no escape so they can be burned and that none can escape. The european union and turkey need to be kicked to the curb with immeadiate effect by President Trump while they get down to business and scorch these scumbags from the face of the earth. Enough of the warm n fuzzy meetings. Boots on the ground now!



It didn’t take a week after the UN met and shook hands with the Islamist leader of Syria, al-Joulani, for the massacre of Syrian Christians and other minorities to start.

This is what happens when you legitimize terrorism.

The UN is a useless organization.
 


“While Syrian Christians are being persecuted and killed in Syria, Syrian Muslims walk through German cities shouting ‘Allahu Akbar.’”
https://video-s.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1898685992589991936/pu/vid/avc1/720x1280/ZfdRZLYuQyqnCybH.mp4
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Islamist preacher in Syria openly calls for the genocide of Syrian Christians and justifies the recent massacres:

“As long as you, Christians, raise the cross, we will not leave you. We will fight you until the last one of you is gone.”
https://video-s.twimg.com/amplify_video/1898515304570863616/vid/avc1/720x1280/BxH2jUwowa8G9zO5.mp4


You are now being goaded to risk a nuclear war with Russia over its invasion of Ukraine by the same people who lobbied for years to let al Qaeda conquer Syria. Meanwhile in Syria ,Russia’s Khmeimim Air Base, located in Syria’s coastal Latakia region, is currently sheltering more than 7,000 Alawite refugees taking refuge from the european unions' al qaeda superstar Algolani's roaming gangs that are currently butchering men women and little children with the help of our tax dollars.Turkish backed Syrian fighters received about 150 drones as well as other covert support from Ukrainian intelligence operatives last month, weeks ahead of the rebels' advance that toppled Bashar al-Assad.The only governments in the world that have called for the arrest and convening of the UN Council are the United States and Russia... the European Community none of their governments have condemned what happened in Syria. They are enemies of Christians.  https://video-s.twimg.com/amplify_video/1899053786359889920/vid/avc1/1280x720/Ra3aERwd1IveRc1G.mp4




Christians are being crucified in Syria while the world ignores it and does business with these devils.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlsvtgOXQAAY1Ck.jpg



❌🇸🇾 SYRIA'S new ISIS President demands his troops "STOP filming their atrocities."

HTS terrorists have uploaded videos of themselves MASSACRING CIVILIANS, including children, over the past week.  

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After committing the massacre yesterday, Julani’s gangs sent a garbage tractor to transport and hide the bodies of Alawite before the arrival of the United Nations today in the village of Barabshbu on the Syrian coast.  

https://video-s.twimg.com/amplify_video/1899058577068707840/vid/avc1/256x454/R-D2lcCFXX_nHtvD.mp4




Syria: A plea for the religious minorities – including Christians – in Latakia:

“Please. You’ve got to help us. . . . Most of the people in my village are dead. . . We are afraid for the little kids. . . . They are killing people randomly. . . .”  https://video-s.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1898434577137385472/pu/vid/avc1/1280x720/YoqEYwE-cEfh-VWc.mp4



Golani’s gangs boast about exterminating Alawites in Syria… and call their mothers to deliver the “good news” and torment them. Demons

they even call the victims’ relatives to deliver the news as if it were a “heroic achievement.” 
https://video-s.twimg.com/amplify_video/1898955029358219265/vid/avc1/636x360/3DTDRR_VlU6l3SFs.mp4

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Most likely, there will be an analogue of NATO without the United States, if they still decide to withdraw.
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